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Post Post #350 (ISO) » Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:46 am

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hm. possibly...
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So whats your plan?
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Post Post #351 (ISO) » Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:50 am

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Plan???

Me???

Yeah right. :roll:



Seriously though, I have no idea. I'll have to think about it, re-read the thread, think about it somemore and post back again with something a little more substantial than I've contributed so far in this game.



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Post Post #352 (ISO) » Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:22 am

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Post Post #353 (ISO) » Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:14 am

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ok, I read up to like, page 6, and not much has happened in Day 1 so far. So I've still got more to read, but I'm working on it. What I do want to know is why, Warp, would you vote for Vis right now, other than a OMGUS vote? You just voted with no explanation whatsoever.
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Post Post #354 (ISO) » Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:46 am

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Because I am innocent, and there is an innocent on me and a guilty on him from Glork, he must be scum.
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Post Post #355 (ISO) » Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:29 pm

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Glork still could be scum you know.
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Post Post #356 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:17 am

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Hm. Looks like Glork and Warpdragon on the Scum Express to me.
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Post Post #357 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:30 am

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You are suspicious enough yourself ryan. if a good explanation does not come up why alkoholic is not dead, you stand there as a lyer, you know...
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Post Post #358 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:54 am

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Well, there's nothing more I can say to defend myself against that, it's all second-guessing the mod at this point. :(
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Post Post #359 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:06 am

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Yes, from my POV it could be you and warp, or you and glork, just as easyly as glork and warp.

Glork is either insane cop, in wich case we have to lynch warp, or he is scum, and lying. The fact that he had different result on warp than me makes me sure that 1 of the 2 is scum. I wish Coron had a chance to elaborate more on his claim.

Sadly, as Aelyn was mafia roleblocker it fits with Glorks claim to have been blocked n1.

Im beginning to think a nolynch could be useful. We are in a lynch-right-or-probably-lose. As in, if we lynch a protown role, we lost, unless the kill is stopped by me. (Except: if DG has really 2 votes)
By going nolynch we can off 1 of the potential targets, thus increasing our chance of a correct lynch. OTOH the victim will be most likely DG with the 2 votes thing, and we have not gained much. Toughts?
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Post Post #360 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:22 am

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OK, what do we know?

al_kouholic (was Lord Rahl) - Nothing. Very quiet, then inactive, then replaced.
Don Gaetano - Seems to have two votes toward lynch. Does this need support?
Glork - Claims cop. Is either insane or lying.
VisMaior - Claims roleblocker/vig.
ryanjunk - Claims prole.
warpdragon - Claims prole.

The dead:
N_lich - prole
Oisin - prole
Cogito Ergo Sum - town Doc
Aelyn - mafia roleblocker
Coron - town Cop
W!nt3r - town innocent

So, we have 3 confirmed non-vanilla townies, and one confirmed non-vanilla scum. We most likely have 2 scum and 4 town remaining.

My main theory right now is that we have a Mafia doc, who protected Lord Rahl/Al last night. If we believe Glork, that would make warpdragon the Mafia doc, and glork an insane cop. This assumes that the mafia doc can't self-protect.

So, we can try a no-lynch, Vis can target warpdragon with my support. The trouble is, maybe there is no mafia doc and the vig is just a one-shot vig. But, if warpdragon turns up dead, we know what's going on. If it turns out warpdragon is town, and he gets vigged, we lose.

If we no-lynch, and Vis blocks someone he hasn't blocked yet when there was a nightkill by the mafia, that gains us some information as well.

I would like to know what Don G's other ability is, it might be more useful to support him tonight if it's a good one.
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Post Post #361 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:25 am

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If we no-lynch, and Vis blocks someone he hasn't blocked yet when there was a nightkill by the mafia, that gains us some information as well.
As well as 50% chance to lose instantly...
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Post Post #362 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:49 am

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I reckon. I just mean we've never managed to block whoever it is that whacks people with the "Wealth of Nations". But we've not really enough information to try.
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Post Post #363 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:53 am

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I think we have to off Glork or Warp today. Or, if you believe both of them, me I guess, altough that would be the ned of this game.
Im tending for warp here. Warp? Any reason i should pick Glork over you?
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Post Post #364 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2006 4:16 am

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I still want to know what Don G's second ability is.

I still don't believe in 2 pro-town cops, and I don't know why Sartre would be insane.
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Post Post #365 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:24 am

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VisMaior wrote:Im beginning to think a nolynch could be useful. We are in a lynch-right-or-probably-lose. As in, if we lynch a protown role, we lost, unless the kill is stopped by me. (Except: if DG has really 2 votes)
By going nolynch we can off 1 of the potential targets, thus increasing our chance of a correct lynch. OTOH the victim will be most likely DG with the 2 votes thing, and we have not gained much. Toughts?
....I'm worried that then, the mafia would off Don Gaetano, as he's the only player who really hasn't been given much attention. I'm guessing that DG is pro-town, based on his role (though if he's a scumbag, kudos to him...) I don't think No Lynch will help us right now, as it probably won't decrease the nubmer of suspects... just the number of townies.

Right now I'm looking at Warp and Ryan. Warp jumped to a rapid conclusion in voting for VM (who I'm thinking more and more is pro-town) and hasn't said/done much lately. Ryan's situation is still.... well, odd to say the least. He claims to be a Prole who motivated VM, but VM claims that his Block/Vig target didn't go through. To me, that says that Ryan's probably lying, with the most convenient claim there is - the Prole claim.

I'm also wondering about this whole Rahl/Al situation. Nobody can really fault Al for Rahl's inactivity, but it could turn out to have been an awfully convenient disappearance.

I'm reasonably sure that my vote will be going to Ryan today, as his situation is the least believable, IMHO. However, before I vote, I want to hear something substantial from Don Gaetano and Al_kohaulec, including full claims from both of them (name and all abilities). They seem to be pretty low on everyone's scumdar, but if one of them is a scumbag, we might be able to catch them on something...
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Post Post #366 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:20 am

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Of course you're "going" to vote for me. You just don't want to do it first because you want to get the other townies on me, so you can speed-lynch at two votes.
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Post Post #367 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:26 am

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ryanjunk wrote:Of course you're "going" to vote for me. You just don't want to do it first because you want to get the other townies on me, so you can speed-lynch at two votes.
:rolleyes:

No... I'm waiting to make sure that everyone talks, so that nobody else speed-lynches you. On the off-chance that Don Gaetano is a dirty scumbag, it only takes one townie vote to result in a speed-lynch. (1 town vote, 2 from DG, 1 from another mafiate.)

All I'm saying is that you're at the top of my suspicion list at the moment. The two most likely scumgroups I see are VM/Ryan or Warp/Ryan. What's the common factor there? Ryan. Makes sense to me.
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Post Post #368 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:07 pm

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Hmm.. this is looking really interesting, and even though I've read everything that's come up since I've been replaced, I haven't yet read everything in between, so I'll try to help the best I can so far.

A No Lynch could be good if we want to limit the number of possible scum, but I think it's altogether a horrible idea right now. If we NL, then most likely the player that seems most likely to be town will die, and we won't be any closer to getting scum. As a matter of fact, it will be harder to kill the scum because we would need a unanimous decision by the town to lynch one of the players who are scum, and only one townie to vote for another townie for the mafia to speedlynch him. Also, there's VM's supposed vig thingy. I think I kind of understand how it works, as in it
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work sometimes, but not always. From what you say it sounds like you need to be motivated to have a sure (or almost sure) chance of vigging. Now let's say you are town, and you wanted to vig somebody tonight. If we NL, and you vig somebody tonight, then if you hit a townie and the mafia hit another townie, we lost. If we do lynch, then you can still hit somebody during the night. There'll be the mafia hit, and then your vig, and so even if we mislynch, we at least have the chance that you'll hit a mafia member, and you'll have a better chance too, and we'll still manage to make it to the next day. From the sounds of it, there seems to be three players on the top of the scum list (and until I read more of the thread, I don't have a list yet), so if two of those three are scum, and you do successfully vig a player tonight, we should be able to win it tomorrow.

If we take that last route, and we lynch mafia, then we'll go into night with 4 town and 1 mafia, so we should decide on whether or not VM should get a vig tomorrow night if this happens, because then we can either win, or go into the final day with 2 town and 1 mafia, or no vig and 3 town and 1 mafia. I'm against having 3 town and 1 mafia, so if for some reason we end up there, I'm voting NL just because that gives town a statistical advantage and it'll give the town the last kill.

The last thing I noticed that I wanted to respond to was the theory that the mafia has a doc. I've only seen mafia have a doc once, and I don't think he was allowed to protect fellow mafia. I think mafia in this game would be too powerful with a doc, roleblocker, and their original killing ability, so I'm doubtful of this.


Oh, and before I forget, I'm going OOT Friday, and coming back home sometime Sat. I don't know what time I'll come home, I might have the whole day open, or I might get back after midnight, but I just wanted to let you guys know that I'm gonna be OOT. And next week, if the game is still going, I'll be OOT from Thurs-Sat.
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Post Post #369 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:23 pm

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Vote: Ryanjunk


I think I've explained myself pretty well, and I feel convicted enough to put a vote on him. If VM is telling the truth, Ryan's claim of Prole doesn't hold up. And like I said, there is no other explanation of Aelyn's mysterious death at this point.
My current theory is that Ryan found a convenient time to lie, VM vig'd Aelyn because his 50% chance *did* work out on Night Two, and suddenly he's found himself in a tight spot. What happened there doesn't make sense to me. But I have reason to believe VM's rol based on Aelyn's death, and no reason whatsoever to believe Ryan.
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Post Post #370 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:25 pm

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EBWOP: Yes, I realize that this is in direct contradition to what I just said... but Al finally weighed in, and I expect DG to contribute before the day ends. Plus, the more I thought about it, the more I realized that Ryan was right about one thing... I don't have any further reason to wait to vote him. So why not do it?
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Post Post #371 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:50 pm

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Hasn't anyone else noticed that al_kouholic hasn't claimed yet? I want to hear a claim from him before we continue. It's also questionable that no one has considered the possibility that he's scum when we know nothing about his role or night-actions so far.

And I don't want to claim my other ability, to claim it won't help the town at all, but it could help scum to know what it is.
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Post Post #372 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:36 pm

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Don Gaetano wrote:Hasn't anyone else noticed that al_kouholic hasn't claimed yet? I want to hear a claim from him before we continue. It's also questionable that no one has considered the possibility that he's scum when we know nothing about his role or night-actions so far.

And I don't want to claim my other ability, to claim it won't help the town at all, but it could help scum to know what it is.
Oh right, it seems LR was the only one who never claimed. Well, anyways, I am a Proletariat. I can target one person per night and that person gains an extra 50% chance of success for their night action. So for last night, I just started, didn't know anything, and the mod wanted a target, so I simply targetted W!nt3r because I saw it say he was a confirmed townie on the first page, and I really didn't have time to read things over at the time to see who else I'd of trusted. I did think that it was weird that it said he was a "confirmed townie," but thought it was better risking targetting him than risking targetting mafia.

I'm sorry that I can't give any of my targets from before last night, but as you know I replaced in, and I never got any targets or anything.
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Post Post #373 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:34 pm

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al_kohaulec wrote:I'm sorry that I can't give any of my targets from before last night, but as you know I replaced in, and I never got any targets or anything.
Ask the mod, he should tell you. You and Rahl are basically the same person in-game, and should have the same information.
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Post Post #374 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2006 7:32 pm

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Don Gaetano wrote:
al_kohaulec wrote:I'm sorry that I can't give any of my targets from before last night, but as you know I replaced in, and I never got any targets or anything.
Ask the mod, he should tell you. You and Rahl are basically the same person in-game, and should have the same information.
Hmm.. good point, i'll PM him right now. I feel stupid for never thinking of things this obvious, in this game or any other game I've replaced in :P.
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