Newbie 1371: Max Steel, Max Finished!

[PhDScar]

He brought up Bo's meta.

On the subject of your scum win, I noticed a big similarity between this one and that one. There nobody suspected you of being scum and you were scum, here nobody has suspected you of being scum. This must mean you are scum.

Well it’s the only time he's done it and it seemed very jokey but he has done it.

That is

seriously

stretching it.

That's true. It's also stretching saying that a reason he is scum is for not putting a case on someone based on past Meta.

[PhDScar]

UNVOTE: Sakura

Why are you unvoting me?

I don't like you being at L-1. I have no idea why Bo is so desperate to lynch you. I think you and Patzer are the scummiest people in the game but lynching you right now is just a bad move. We have so many players with little to no content.

On that note. WHERE THE HELL IS ARCANGEL! She appeared for a second mad on post about catching then disappeared again.

[PhDScar]

She appeared for a second *made *one post about catching *up then disappeared again.

[Sakura Hana]

If you think i'm one of the scummiest people then why arent you voting me, it shouldn't be relevant whether im at L-1 or not.

[PhDScar]

Well i'm lost at the momment, so i'd like to ask a question to all people voting me. Is there at present, still any reason why you think I'm scum? and if so what is said reason?

^
That question

Thank you. I re-read that early conversation we had together and I realized you in fact were not contradicting yourself. Sorry.

[PhDScar]

If you think i'm one of the scummiest people then why arent you voting me, it shouldn't be relevant whether im at L-1 or not.

As I said many people have little to no content. So you being the scummiest out of much less people than I should be picking from makes me very uneasy lynching you.

[PhDScar]

@Freezing-hell

You're one of the people with little to no content. Are you going to post something or just keep lurking?

[freezing-hell]

@Freezing-hell
You're one of the people with little to no content. Are you going to post something or just keep lurking?

Catching up as we speak!

[Sakura Hana]

You reply to my question saying that you realized that i was in fact not contradicting myself, well i'm glad you realized that but you avoided the actual question where i'm asking you if you still have at this point any reason to think i'm scum and why?

Not sure if i should feel happy or dissapointed, you're still in my town reads, please dont make me think that you're thinking i'm scum for no reason other than the people voting me.

[Majiffy]

That's true. It's also stretching saying that a reason he is scum is for not putting a case on someone based on past Meta.

Not when they expressly state the reason they joined was so they could play with players they have meta on.

And I think you'll note that wasn't my

only

reason for why he's scum.

[freezing-hell]

Anorway

Why I think he's town.

I don't find PhD's reaction to the quote above scummy, nor bad. I'm fairly certain that most players would react in quite a similar way. But in addition, you encourage DBK to vote PhD with you, and that just screams "hey, I'm scum and I'm trying to push for a mislynch" to me. Why are you so certain that PhD is scum and why wouldn't you at least give a reason for it? I'm going to place my vote on Majiffy until I see the step-by-step guide, because I don't see why any town player would say anything like that.
UNVOTE: whoever I had my vote on
VOTE: Majiffy

Probes where he feels its needed. Not simply accepting a presented case, instead he wants answers from the initiator. Plus, he places his vote - meaning he is serious about wanting them answers.

UNVOTE: Majiffy
You have some good arguments against PhD, and PhD has been acting a bit odd, but I still feel he's newbtown though. Don't see all the scumminess in his posts. Also, I'm going to be

V/LA until Tuesday 14th,

I may be able to pop in to keep up with the posts, but there's some important stuff coming up so don't expect me to post anything.

This just reads as town to me. He doesn't seem to be lynch/wagon eager and clearly states his opinion of the things. He furthermore unvotes as soon as the suspicion of Majiffy's actions ( not having given reason for his vote) and continues scum-hunting and trying to discern the alignments of all the players. He follows through with his analysis and parks his vote on PhDScar. Now this would've been suspicious if he suddenly decided that PhDscar is scum after all, but Anorway gave new reasons that did made him change his opinion about PhDscar. The fluency of his opinion reads as town that is adjusting his views and never simply putting someone definitively in the town or scum-pile.

[freezing-hell]

Archangel is null for lack of activity. Would like to hear his thoughts on the players.

[Does Bo Know]

"Nice try"? Seriously?

You scum, bro?

Nope. I just don't agree with the majority of your case.

[Majiffy]

"Nice try"? Seriously?

You scum, bro?

Nope. I just don't agree with the majority of your case.

Then argue it.

[PhDScar]

That's true. It's also stretching saying that a reason he is scum is for not putting a case on someone based on past Meta.

Not when they expressly state the reason they joined was so they could play with players they have meta on.

And I think you'll note that wasn't my

only

reason for why he's scum.

I know it's not the only reason. Also just because he stated knowing some Meta as a reason for him joining this game is not an obligation to build cases around it. He’s new of course he'd want to join a game with people he knows it will make him more comfortable. Also if he doesn't have scum suspicion on people he's played how is he supposed to use Meta?

[Majiffy]

It's certainly showing that he should have

some

inkling to try to meta players. I've seen no serious attempt to do so. That's like someone saying "yeah I'm a great chef" and then proceeding to mop the floors during a dinner service.

There are a number of ways to use meta. For example; "This person was town in the game I played with them. They look kind of the same. Here's a link. Here's another link. They can be town for now".

Why are you ignoring the rest of my argument for why he's scum?

[Sakura Hana]

Why are you ignoring the rest of my argument for why he's scum?

He's also ignoring my question, seems like he's good at asking questions but not answering them.

[Does Bo Know]

Nope. I just don't agree with the majority of your case.

Then argue it.

After Patzer responds to it.

[PhDScar]

Why are you ignoring the rest of my argument for why he's scum?

Because the rest of your read is meh to me. The Meta argument is the only thing i had a strong enough reaction that made me want to respond.

[Sakura Hana]

Guess i'll give up on ever getting an answer from PhD

[patzer]

Spoiler: Look at all the scummy posts Patzer makes!

That's actually why I replaced into this game, so I would have an idea of some players' metas.

>Hasn't made a single meta argument yet. Why? Because he doesn't know how to fabricate one.

I was actually considering the argument that you might be town because both in that game and this one you were being highly aggressive towards townies. But then I decided against it because, firstly, your posting style here seems a bit different, although I can't pinpoint what it is. Plus you're quite experienced so your scum and town styles are going to be quite similar.

These posts contradict each other.
at the moment PhD looks like the most likely scum.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: PhDScar

Wagon hopping. Can't remember what L this was, but I do remember it sticking out to me.

what? Are you suggesting that only scum jump onto wagons? Is there a reason why a town player shouldn't vote for someone they think is most likely scum, just because some else has voted for them?

UNVOTE:

I'm not sure, but I think PhD's at L-1, and I'd rather look back at the game before voting him and risking a lynch. The Sakura wagon looks promising, so I'll have a look at her posts.

Look at that shining opportunism.

I'm not sure what this means...?

I reread the thread from page 6.
Now PhD is looking neutral. His posts have been natural, and I could easily see him being town. slight FoS on Sakura, she has said some things that may be coming from a scum point of view, but not certain by any means. I'm not sure what to do now, I don't have any major reads and from my past experience here that is regarded as a scumtell...

Yeeep.

Again, what are you trying to say here?

Seriously? Since Page 10, you've been thinking I am scum.
Let's have a look at those posts:

• Post 245- "Maybe I'll try to lynch Patzer later"
  Post 270- "I'm too lazy to give reasons why, but I will do if I try to lynch him."
  Post 292- "Let's try to lynch Patzer. DBK, come and join me on this wagon."
  Post 313- "Sakura, you should join me on this wagon. DBK isn't interested."
  Post 319- "Off to the pub; maybe eventually I'll give a reason."

What happened to those reasons promised in post 270?

Lol, here comes a pile of pre-case defensive BS.

Initially, I was just going to argue about you promising reasons for me being scum, without giving them. If you want to try to start a wagon on someone, you explain it in the same post, not a day later. While I was looking back at tose posts, I saw your lack of votes on Sakura, so delved a bit deeper. Also see my answer below.

I then noticed that Majiffy had slowly been preparing a wagon on me, while still being on the PHD wagon, then when the PHD wagon fell apart, he switched to me, while not bothered about the new Sakura wagon. So I reread the thread looking for conversation between Majiffy and Sakura. Here's all I found:
There was no conversation between Majiffy and Sakura, until the last few posts, which was just Majiffy trying to get Sakura to join the wagon. Nothing much.
Sakura has not mentioned her opinion of Majiffy.
Here is Majiffy's opinion on Sakura:
Post 83- "Sakura may be town." A bit vague ...
Nothing else for a long time while Majiffy focuses on PhD.
Post 210- Majiffy responds to Bo's request for an opinion on Sakura. Replies with a short sentence, before switching the subject back to PhD.

So I switched to another scum read after very clearly having hesitations on the player I was on - instead of jumping on a bandwagon on my town read? Is that... supposed to be scummy? Somehow?

I don't believe you have yet said why she is your town read.

To conclude, the lack of reaction between Majiffy and Sakura, despite them both being quite active, is startling. Plus, Sakura has been displaying scummy behaviour, as already mentioned, and Majiffy has been inconsistent with regards to his attempted wagon on me. I wouldn't be at all surprised at a Majiffy-Sakura scum team.

I won't vote just yet- I would have voted for Sakura, but it would put her at L-1 and I don't want to risk an accidental hammer.

Lol.

So I make a fairly substantial case against you, and all you can say is "Lol"?

tl;dr - has made no effort to legitimately scumhunt.

Why do you believe my arguments not legitimate, just because I made them while you were attacking me?

Show me one question that he posed to another player that wasn't either retaliatory/defensive in nature, or fluff. This is the PepsiMax Challenge. (Hint: there isn't one.)

Aside from my arguments against you and Sakura that you're prepared to completely dismiss without reason, there is this.

Furthermore, he has opportunistic voting habits, and his "argument" for Sakura-Majiffy scum is defensive, associative-without-flip drivel.

So, just because my arguments were made while you were attacking me, you're prepared to completely ignore them, dismissing them with a "Lol".

In addition, he has claimed to have joined this game based on knowledge of other players' meta. He hasn't discussed anything regarding meta, insofar as his reads, thus far.

Already answered above.

To conclude - he's scum. Vote him.

My replies in yellow.

[PhDScar]

Why are you ignoring the rest of my argument for why he's scum?

He's also ignoring my question, seems like he's good at asking questions but not answering them.

You had scummy reaction to a wagon forming. Any interaction between you and TMT has made you look extremely scummy from your bad vote to your bad unvote. You ‘re tunneling me despite complaining about being tunneled. You use emotionally manipulative wording. You say I'm town read but you sure don't act like it. You seem to be pressuring me as a way to make the wagon fall apart.

[Sakura Hana]

No, I was pressuring you because I wanted an answer to my question, thanks for finally answering btw. Can you now tell me which is the scummy reaction and why you think it's scummy?

[freezing-hell]

Does Bo Know

Why I think DBK is Null. He reads very mixed to me. Votes people for a certain reason, and then does something similar himself. I need to hear a bit more from him before I can really decide.

Majiffy, fair enough. None of the other wagons have provided any good content, guess we should try another.

A serious attempt to scumhunt. He's not sitting on his ass, but actively trying to get discussion going.

DBK who do you think could be scum if PhD were to flip town?

Patzer. I promise I'll catch up more later today. I have to run a lot of errands and I'll be busy tonight. Sunday though, I'm catching up in all my games.

Okay, when I first said Patzer would be scum, I wasn’t looking at much past opportunism in his 114. He just pointed out two posts and said PhD was most likely scum.

Patzer further explained himself in the post he wrote after. Why did you choose to ignore that? If you take that into consideratoin, you still think he's scum? The rest of this post I like though, and it seems like a legitimate attempt to find scum. However, at the end of this post you create a nice little list of your reads and Sakura is in the scum pile there. Yet, you didn't once raise suspicion about her. Also, you voted Patzer because he voted PhDscar with just quoting two posts without further reasoning, but you are doing the exact same thing here:

VOTE: Sakuna
Majiffy, thoughts on Sakuna?

^No reasoning here whatsoever, nor in any of your posts did you say something about Sakura.

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Oh yeah
UNVOTE: PhDScar
VOTE: Sakura Hana

Actually I didn't think my vote was L-1, my bad.
UNVOTE: Sakura
VOTE: PhDScar

I was afraid to have you at L-1 because I wanted to see how everyone responded to my ideas first. After that I just forgot to vote you.

You unvoted her at L-1, putting her back on L-2 because you thought you put her at L-1, not because you wanted to see how everyone would respond to your ideas first. Besides that, you didn't give any reasons or ideas as to why Sakura was scum. So what ideas were you referring to?

[PhDScar]

@Patzer When Majiffy said "Yep" I think he might be referring to a case I made about you based on that post.