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Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:45 pm
by Guyett
In post 342, ryhx wrote:
In post 336, Guyett wrote:post 205 linking to your meta for how to tell if you are town or scum... look back at my reads on Jason, It would be very easy for you to point out how you play as town and as scum, then play like you would as town despite being scum.
In post 329, Guyett wrote:Cabd I also played scum in this game
http://www.footballforums.net/forums/sh ... m-Mafia-II
I replaced into it and played bodyguard :]
You're calling out Cabd for playing meta after you pull out your meta?
there is a difference, his one was unasked for and he was using it to show why he wasn't scum. The first time I posted mine it was a link to a game that I ran on a different forum, I wasn't defending myself or anything, just posting it if people wanted a rout around there. Last night Cabd was reading through 1 game that I played scum as there, I linked him to another and then linked him to my ISO's as the forum is a bit different there than here for bringing them up.
Not that it really mattered as in the first game I got found out when I claimed to be a miller and the mod accidentally worded the death story of the player who was actually miller to make it look like there was only 1. The other time one of my scumbuddies bussed all of us and won the game for us.

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:57 pm
by Fegelein
You guys seriously need to look at how opportunistic Dev is.

Honestly, I have no idea what's going on with Guyett and Cabd. I'd rather Cabd than Guy because Guy townslipped earlier on, and it's based on gut.

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:20 am
by Derivan
In post 351, Fegelein wrote:You guys seriously need to look at how opportunistic Dev is.

Honestly, I have no idea what's going on with Guyett and Cabd. I'd rather Cabd than Guy because Guy townslipped earlier on, and it's based on gut.
Standard no proof accusation filler post, check.

How about you take more than five seconds and explain your 'gut' feeling/provide some real content.

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:12 am
by JasonWazza
In post 328, Cabd wrote: Post 89:
Darq-Light Scumread
Best- Lots of stuff said about him, but no actual read given
Derivan- Not a read either, just fluff
Garg- Town read
Jason- No actual read given
Cabd- “a bit of a Scumread”
Reg- No actual read other than “posts make sense”
Goodmorning- unexplained townread
This is the reason i left the note is this.
In post 89, Guyett wrote:Darq - Hasn't really posted too much but has been online and seems to be lurking. I find this activity suspicious. I'd watch out for the quiet ones who sit back and let the others who may actually be townies tie themselves in knots heaping suspicions on themselves.
bestwillcui - Another lurker. I suspect one of the mafia will be one of our lurkers and another will probably be either the most active or the second most active poster who spends their rime dodging suspicion and my bus their partner as a technique to hide his/her scummyness.
Derivan - seems to be approaching this quite logically which I approve of. That being said I dont agree with the suspicions of Fegelein and Jason for trying to vote of the most experienced as a scummy move. Just because you have been around for a while doesnt make you a good player automatically. I think it was more voting for them to get a feeling on their reactions and then compare it to other games they've played.
TheGarantula - Another logical player. I would tend to agree with most of what you have posted. Getting a town read for the time being.
JasonWazza - getting very defensive is a bit of a red flag but I like this spat between Jason and Derivan
Cabd - Active until people called him up on his 'joke' and then disappeared for a few hours to think things over? Tbh I'm getting a bit of a scum read here. I agree with the bussing comment that someone made.
Fegelein - semi experienced player and your later non burnout related posts make sense.
goodmorning - getting a strong town read of goodmorning
Now if you read the reads post and compare it to what Cabd gives you'll find a few problems.

As much as the Best read is "Fluff" it's an implied light scum read, but nice avoiding that.

Derivan seems like more of a light town read that's implied.

My read, seems like an implied light scum read

I think Cabd is trying to make it seem like Guy's scummy when his not.

UNVOTE: Bestwillcui
VOTE: Cabd

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:45 am
by goodmorning
In post 349, Guyett wrote:There was nothing rage about my Iso, more merely showing that it is possible to do one in a few minutes, not over a week after promising to do one.
It's equally possible to put it off because ISOs suck.
In post 351, Fegelein wrote:Guy townslipped earlier on
Where was this again?

And oh, Deri. I think you and my vote may be having a little chat soon.

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:01 am
by ryhx
In post 350, Guyett wrote:there is a difference, his one was unasked for and he was using it to show why he wasn't scum. The first time I posted mine it was a link to a game that I ran on a different forum, I wasn't defending myself or anything, just posting it if people wanted a rout around there. Last night Cabd was reading through 1 game that I played scum as there, I linked him to another and then linked him to my ISO's as the forum is a bit different there than here for bringing them up.
Not that it really mattered as in the first game I got found out when I claimed to be a miller and the mod accidentally worded the death story of the player who was actually miller to make it look like there was only 1. The other time one of my scumbuddies bussed all of us and won the game for us.
Fair enough.
In post 353, JasonWazza wrote:
In post 89, Guyett wrote:Darq - Hasn't really posted too much but has been online and seems to be lurking. I find this activity suspicious. I'd watch out for the quiet ones who sit back and let the others who may actually be townies tie themselves in knots heaping suspicions on themselves.
bestwillcui - Another lurker. I suspect one of the mafia will be one of our lurkers and another will probably be either the most active or the second most active poster who spends their rime dodging suspicion and my bus their partner as a technique to hide his/her scummyness.
Derivan - seems to be approaching this quite logically which I approve of. That being said I dont agree with the suspicions of Fegelein and Jason for trying to vote of the most experienced as a scummy move. Just because you have been around for a while doesnt make you a good player automatically. I think it was more voting for them to get a feeling on their reactions and then compare it to other games they've played.
TheGarantula - Another logical player. I would tend to agree with most of what you have posted. Getting a town read for the time being.
JasonWazza - getting very defensive is a bit of a red flag but I like this spat between Jason and Derivan
Cabd - Active until people called him up on his 'joke' and then disappeared for a few hours to think things over? Tbh I'm getting a bit of a scum read here. I agree with the bussing comment that someone made.
Fegelein - semi experienced player and your later non burnout related posts make sense.
goodmorning - getting a strong town read of goodmorning
Now if you read the reads post and compare it to what Cabd gives you'll find a few problems.

As much as the Best read is "Fluff" it's an implied light scum read, but nice avoiding that.

Derivan seems like more of a light town read that's implied.

My read, seems like an implied light scum read

I think Cabd is trying to make it seem like Guy's scummy when his not.

UNVOTE: Bestwillcui
VOTE: Cabd
I think you're being far too generous with Guyett's reads, I wouldn't consider any of those reads 'implied'. All those three reads basically said could be scummy could be town, not to mention the end of the whole read post. I would agree with Cabd's characterisation, he didn't misrepresent it.

UNVOTE: goodmorning

I need to reconsider



Fixed quote tag. Preview is your friend! ~~NS

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:09 am
by Cabd
I'm pretty sure I just got out to L-1 so olease make sure not to derp hammer at least until I finish my stuff thanks

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:37 am
by TheGarantula
Yeah, that's L-1.

@JasonWazza: What made you give up on the bestwillcui wagon? He hasn't done much of anything to redeem himself. Furthermore, Cabd has already stated his plans to post ISO's, so what is the added pressure hoping to accomplish in the meantime?

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:43 am
by Guyett
@ryhx
I don't think I explained it very well in that post and the end does come off kind of wishy washy. As I've said I used it before and people didn't really understand it then either
Here it is in that game.
http://www.footballforums.net/forums/sh ... ost8231590

I will bring this up at the end of the game as I expect it to look very similar to what it is in that link.

I have clarified that I think both Cabd and Best are the scumiest so far. However I may have been tunneling on Best and some peoples opinions that his play seems newbtown could be true. I'd be willing to bet that only 1 from Cabd and Best is actually scum.... my money is on Cabd at the moment.

from the other 6 players the only one that I'm relatively confident that is town is Gar.
I have a light town read on Jason and an even lighter one on GM
Feg, Deri and Rhyx are all null. However from experience one of those 3 and possibly GM will prob turn out to be scum. We just have to wait until one hopefully gives us a scumtell

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:44 am
by goodmorning
It's not L-1, it's a derpquote.

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:45 am
by Guyett
@gar he has been promising ISO's and reads for weeks, given the amount of time it took to post my ones we might be waiting another week to get thos new ISO's ;)

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:46 am
by Guyett
It is L-1
GM, Deri, Me and JAson have voted for Cabd

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:48 am
by Cabd
Get off your high horse man. Some of us have other things that take priority. No need to be in a rush to end the day. If you lynch me at the end of it so be it but ill be damned if I won't get to speak my cases.

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:50 am
by goodmorning
Huh. I don't know that I like how sudden that was.

Vote: Deri


This is not a reprieve for Cabd, just a temporary move of vote to be a bit surer that he does indeed say what he's going to say.

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:54 am
by Nobody Special
Votecount 1.07

Cabd - 3 - Derivan, Guyett, JasonWazza
Derivan - 2 - Fegelein, goodmorning
Guyett - 2 - Cabd, bestwillcui
bestwillcui - 1 - TheGarantula

Not Voting: ryhx

Deadline: (expired on 2013-06-28 02:37:53)

V/LA: ...

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:06 am
by ryhx
Nobody Special, can we get the deadline updated in the OP please


Decided
VOTE: GUYETT


The OTT reaction to being ISO'd (halfway even, without much new information) screams panicked scum. Puts up an ISO that mostly restates what happens and has some specious reasoning to it thats really reaching.
In post 336, Guyett wrote:post 292 asking for an extension due to the outage.... as GM pointed out she did this in another game while playing as scum
post 294 not a townslip.... covering for your scum buddy?
post 300 Eh scum dont know the exact setup but instead of a 1 in 6 guess they have a 1 in 2 guess of what set up it is. Those odds are nice for fake claiming a role via breadcrumbs
1) Not an alignment tell. At all.
2) Already explained by cabd
2) 1 in 4 are shit odds and you're the one being disingeneous if you're supporting in as a good idea.
In post 359, goodmorning wrote:It's not L-1, it's a derpquote.
My bad. Is there some kind of vote scraper bot and will my derp quote screw it up?

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:20 am
by ryhx
In post 358, Guyett wrote:@ryhx
I don't think I explained it very well in that post and the end does come off kind of wishy washy. As I've said I used it before and people didn't really understand it then either
Here it is in that game.
http://www.footballforums.net/forums/sh ... ost8231590

I will bring this up at the end of the game as I expect it to look very similar to what it is in that link.

I have clarified that I think both Cabd and Best are the scumiest so far. However I may have been tunneling on Best and some peoples opinions that his play seems newbtown could be true. I'd be willing to bet that only 1 from Cabd and Best is actually scum.... my money is on Cabd at the moment.

from the other 6 players the only one that I'm relatively confident that is town is Gar.
I have a light town read on Jason and an even lighter one on GM
Feg, Deri and Rhyx are all null. However from experience one of those 3 and possibly GM will prob turn out to be scum. We just have to wait until one hopefully gives us a scumtell
Again, I don't have a problem with the assertion that the most suspicious people are not all scum (other than the circular nature of the statment). We're not perfect at scum hunting and if it were true, mafia would be a much more boring game. The point is youve used it to say nothing in your post.

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:38 am
by goodmorning
In post 365, ryhx wrote:
In post 359, goodmorning wrote:It's not L-1, it's a derpquote.
My bad. Is there some kind of vote scraper bot and will my derp quote screw it up?
It wasn't actually your non-vote that made it L-1, and NS fixed it already. No, there isn't a "vote scraper bot," as you put it.

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:38 am
by TheGarantula
In post 365, ryhx wrote:
In post 336, Guyett wrote:post 292 asking for an extension due to the outage.... as GM pointed out she did this in another game while playing as scum
post 294 not a townslip.... covering for your scum buddy?
post 300 Eh scum dont know the exact setup but instead of a 1 in 6 guess they have a 1 in 2 guess of what set up it is. Those odds are nice for fake claiming a role via breadcrumbs
1) Not an alignment tell. At all.
2) Already explained by cabd
2) 1 in 4 are shit odds and you're the one being disingeneous if you're supporting in as a good idea.
#2 is fairly interesting, seeing as Guyett skipped Cabd's post which clarified. Like I said earlier, Guyett's whole ISO felt OMGUS-y, though he got defensive towards bestwillcui earlier as well, so I'm not sure if it is necessarily scummy since this is a newbie game.
In post 363, goodmorning wrote:
Vote: Deri


This is not a reprieve for Cabd, just a temporary move of vote to be a bit surer that he does indeed say what he's going to say.
In post 354, goodmorning wrote:And oh, Deri. I think you and my vote may be having a little chat soon.
What made you suspect Derivan? Do you agree with Fegelein's assertions?
In post 358, Guyett wrote:from the other 6 players the only one that I'm relatively confident that is town is Gar.
What happened to your town read on goodmorning? It seems to have vanished over the last few pages.

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:43 am
by Nobody Special
In post 365, ryhx wrote:
Nobody Special, can we get the deadline updated in the OP please
Oops; fixed now.

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:49 am
by goodmorning
In post 368, TheGarantula wrote:What made you suspect Derivan? Do you agree with Fegelein's assertions?
Starting in where I call him out for ridiculous assertions about RVS.
Now it has something to do with the way he seems to be hanging out outside game continuity with his posts, if that makes sense, and a little bit of lacking follow-up.

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:51 am
by Guyett
Spoiler: gar post
In post 368, TheGarantula wrote:
In post 365, ryhx wrote:
In post 336, Guyett wrote:post 292 asking for an extension due to the outage.... as GM pointed out she did this in another game while playing as scum
post 294 not a townslip.... covering for your scum buddy?
post 300 Eh scum dont know the exact setup but instead of a 1 in 6 guess they have a 1 in 2 guess of what set up it is. Those odds are nice for fake claiming a role via breadcrumbs
1) Not an alignment tell. At all.
2) Already explained by cabd
2) 1 in 4 are shit odds and you're the one being disingeneous if you're supporting in as a good idea.
#2 is fairly interesting, seeing as Guyett skipped Cabd's post which clarified. Like I said earlier, Guyett's whole ISO felt OMGUS-y, though he got defensive towards bestwillcui earlier as well, so I'm not sure if it is necessarily scummy since this is a newbie game.
In post 363, goodmorning wrote:
Vote: Deri


This is not a reprieve for Cabd, just a temporary move of vote to be a bit surer that he does indeed say what he's going to say.
In post 354, goodmorning wrote:And oh, Deri. I think you and my vote may be having a little chat soon.
What made you suspect Derivan? Do you agree with Fegelein's assertions?
In post 358, Guyett wrote:from the other 6 players the only one that I'm relatively confident that is town is Gar.
What happened to your town read on goodmorning? It seems to have vanished over the last few pages.


it is just a gut feeling. she seems to be keeping her cards close to her chest which I find interesting.

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:13 am
by TheGarantula
In post 370, goodmorning wrote:
In post 368, TheGarantula wrote:What made you suspect Derivan? Do you agree with Fegelein's assertions?
Starting in where I call him out for ridiculous assertions about RVS.
Now it has something to do with the way he seems to be hanging out outside game continuity with his posts, if that makes sense, and a little bit of lacking follow-up.
Oh yea, I forgot about the posts way back when. (it feels like forever ago XD)
I'd agree that his earlier posts were odd, but I'd say he seems to be fairly concerned with scumhunting despite his relative inactivity. TBH, I don't quite understand what you mean by "outside game continuity," could you try to rephrase that?

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:12 am
by goodmorning
Like he's not interacting with the game? More like an observer just commenting on it, if that makes sense?

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:27 pm
by Cabd
BTW i'm still here. I'm just at work at the moment. I'll get up the rest of guyett and the next one by tonight for sure.