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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:57 am
by Saki
In post 335, Humble Poirot wrote:All I need to know that in games like "Mini 1480: Uncreative Paradise", when you're pressured you talk and that your lurking, joking around and not playing is not just meta and can perfectly be a scum-tactic.
This isn't borderline, Cabd, the game that he mentioned in specific is ongoing.

Cabd, replace me out. You know you want to.

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:08 am
by artemiskitty
This is so not good. I'm sicked and totally burning out on mafia in general. Deff taking a break after all my string of games end.

I'm trying really hard to try and get some type of feels, but I'm coming up with nothing.

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:09 am
by notscience
;-; mala

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:53 am
by Rebel Without a Pulse
In post 345, Humble Poirot wrote:When did Stubbs found him?
September 08, 03:19PM.
In post 345, Humble Poirot wrote:Who wrote 303?
If it wasn't signed by Stubbs, it was probably me.
In post 345, Humble Poirot wrote:Could you/him/both (This is confusing) have written DB as scum earlier than 308?
We could have, that's just not how the way I decided to write the posts decreed it would go. I might be misunderstanding what you're saying here though.
In post 347, notscience wrote:I say we wagon Dessew-scum, because as HP said we're too far apart and it's risking a deadline scramble.
What do you think about Daniel?

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:45 pm
by notscience
I'm still waiting for that case, he was in my leaning town pile. His reads post was kinda bad, but I want to know what you guys are seeing that I'm not.

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:22 pm
by notscience
Btw Ffery, Newbie 1420 is a just finished scumgame of mine.

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:55 pm
by artemiskitty
In post 163, Humble Poirot wrote: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
@artemiskitty:
You're a machine of calling people town without actually bothering to explain why. In fact, you don't even explain why you think people are scum either.
that's not true. i said in post 160 why i thought SOS might be scum. the only person at that point that i thought could be scum.
am just rereading, and i do think up to this point in the thread, dessew is looking a little odd. his sticky vote on HC, until he responded, while in the meantime fanning the flames on the whole 'fuz is scum' thing.
i had/have fuz is town because i think he asked a fair question of SOS, and it somehow got turned around on him. his reactions to it seemed fine to me, and kinda justified.

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:03 pm
by artemiskitty
that's at HP? i'm wondering about him too. rail tracer might have a point with him.

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:05 pm
by Sound of Silence
In post 356, artemiskitty wrote:
In post 163, Humble Poirot wrote: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
@artemiskitty:
You're a machine of calling people town without actually bothering to explain why. In fact, you don't even explain why you think people are scum either.
that's not true. i said in post 160 why i thought SOS might be scum. the only person at that point that i thought could be scum.
am just rereading, and i do think up to this point in the thread, dessew is looking a little odd. his sticky vote on HC, until he responded, while in the meantime fanning the flames on the whole 'fuz is scum' thing.
i had/have fuz is town because i think he asked a fair question of SOS, and it somehow got turned around on him. his reactions to it seemed fine to me, and kinda justified.
Your vote is pretty stale.

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:10 pm
by artemiskitty
In post 169, Rail Tracer wrote:
artemis wrote:^i keep reading fuzduzn's posts as towntowntown
i haven't been scumreading fuduzn since about p5, but for the purposes of gauging reactions, i've been quiet about my read reversing on him. i am a sucker for ate that looks genuine. i still want his current reads. and i think he needs to tone down on the overreacting because i'm getting sick of it regardless of his alignment.
i'm a sucker for AtE as well.. it's actually how i get most of my town reads. that and just looking for posting that isn't stilted or awkward, but genuine.
In post 169, Rail Tracer wrote:
artemis wrote:VOTE: S.O.S
i'm not in agreement with some of sos's reads, and i'm not currently town reading him, but i don't see the scum in his posts.

is this just because of the way he's attacking fuduzn? what do you think of some of the other players who are currently voting fuduzn (particularly dessew and hc)?
i didn't like Dessew's post here:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5290727

it makes me wonder if he was just looking for a reason to remove his vote from HC and onto Fuz - because others were starting to question him about why he was scum reading Fuz (saying that he was the scummiest player in the game), yet still voting for HC. which is when he said that thing "i want to see HC's reaction first". doesn't make that much sense, i think.
not too mention HC's post that Dessew was referring to as "good job" (post 133) wasn't really overly towny. so i don't really get Dessew's satisfaction with it.

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:11 pm
by artemiskitty
In post 358, Sound of Silence wrote:
In post 356, artemiskitty wrote:
In post 163, Humble Poirot wrote: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
@artemiskitty:
You're a machine of calling people town without actually bothering to explain why. In fact, you don't even explain why you think people are scum either.
that's not true. i said in post 160 why i thought SOS might be scum. the only person at that point that i thought could be scum.
am just rereading, and i do think up to this point in the thread, dessew is looking a little odd. his sticky vote on HC, until he responded, while in the meantime fanning the flames on the whole 'fuz is scum' thing.
i had/have fuz is town because i think he asked a fair question of SOS, and it somehow got turned around on him. his reactions to it seemed fine to me, and kinda justified.
Your vote is pretty stale.
i'm currently up to page 7! still reading on..

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:23 pm
by artemiskitty
btw, i liked mario's post earlier on in the thread, where he said he was likely going to tunnel on HC (not because i have a scum read on HC, but because it looked like mario genuinely feels like he caught him)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5290026

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:32 pm
by artemiskitty
In post 176, Rail Tracer wrote:
hp wrote:Explain why the scumhunting isn't genuine and offer examples of people with genuine scumhunting (and, if there are, people with fake scumhunting as well).
i don't think it's genuine
because i don't see you properly analysing motivation.
as a general rule, i consider people who try to read between the lines of posts to be genuinely scum hunting.

examples in this game? nacho-hydra, sos, artemis. to some extent, isaac.
i liked mario's post on hc, too. incidentally, outside of sos i think these players are town (sos i'm thinking could be town but i have a gut nagging that's not letting me put him in my town list)
.
yes.

i remember thinking while reading this post as well, http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5288063, that there was quite a bit of subtle fosing on a number of players.
not a bad tactic as scum, because it leaves your vote open to place wherever, when you see others (town) moving in a direction.

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:37 pm
by artemiskitty
In post 179, Dessew wrote:HP is the first one who comes into my mind. His #163 is off as I reread it. I mean the parts about Fu. He lists a couple of things saying that he's scummy, and actually calls him scummy, but he votes HC because of that lie thing, and keeps pushing you. As if he didn't want to take a stand, only give something little everywhere. I'm gonna think a little more about it.
hmmm
good post

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:41 pm
by artemiskitty
In post 182, notscience wrote:VOTE: Dessew

HI GIF HI FFERY HI NACHO HI MALA (kitty in name obv mala)

Upon reading, I agree with HP's statement about hydrae (although admittedly I do it myself).

I'm liking Fu SoS and HP For town thus far

Fu because the selfdefeatism is something I've seen all over the place thus far coming predominately from town

SoS because they're trying to interact and get reads on people (such as nacho) that they want to get sorted out

HP because I like some of the ideas he's brought up, the whole "hydrae are harder to read tidbit" seems like a townslip. He addressed it early rather than save it for later and try to use it against someone which feels incredibly protown. Plus, I was like "omghao2readhydrae" my first game with one in it (I was town)

DB is leaning town because his wall looks really good, it has some nice points. There's also a town-vibe I'm getting, but he has only had that one post so that's why he is only in leaning atm. One pro-townpost does not a town make.

Dessew is feeling scum to me. He voteparks for a reason, says "I want to see him react" (which in and of itself kills all reactions) and then his reason- "I was reactiontesting." It also feels like he's more into calling people town and not trying to find scum.

Mario feels weird. He's not under any fire and yet "If you dont like when I post just lynch me" seems very forced. Like a forceful way of trying to say "I don't care if I die"

Kitty is leaning scum. It seems for someone with 14 posts they only have 1 townread and 1 scumread. It kinda looks like they're trying to buddy up to fu.

Saki is VERY SLIGHTLY leaning town for me because of the reaction test.

Brian is leaning scum, I don't really see any stances from him. He's discussing but not presenting any reads. Most of his stuff is based around hydrae which is weird to me. Keying in on hydrae and no reads add up weird in my head.

Rail is null for me.

Nachohydra looks town, based on vibes and points that were brought up that I agreed with upon reading.

HC is null for me as well, mainly because I misread him last game and want to see more from him to compare.
do not like.
mario, brian, rail, hp reads and (us)

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:43 pm
by artemiskitty
In post 193, notscience wrote:No, I've been back and forth in my head like mad.
this pings

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:43 pm
by artemiskitty
sorry for the posting spree..

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:48 pm
by artemiskitty
In post 204, notscience wrote:He seems to be doing a lot of theory and common debacles (ate being a scumtell (WHICH IT ISNT), Lynch all "liars" even though at that point it really isn't anything substantial. At best, it's an associative if either flips scum. But however, that in and of itself doesn't make him scum.

I'll be totally honest, I read him flipping shit about hydrae and the bit about Saki lying and wrote him off as town (I only skimmed his ISO because majority of his posts are walls, but am rereading them now)

Although I disagree with his points and I feel like he's blatantly wrong about things, he's being kinda persistent with what he's said which gives good vibes. (Take for example, his persistence accusation of HC lying about mario or Fu's AtE)

It's strange how he has only stated two townreads and even those were "early" townreads.

Hmmm.
ns! are you scum!
this looks like backpeddling

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:54 pm
by artemiskitty
In post 239, Daniel Bryan wrote:Well its ironic that Rail Tracer has been accusing HP of hiding behind the hydra discussion when the attempts at scumhunting are there and the only reason HP keeps talking about hydras is because Rail Tracer keeps bringing them up. Makes sense? Also, what is iioa?

Ik Brian, whats problematic here is that you initially didnt say anything about his hydra statement until people said they didnt agree with some of it, your post agreeing to a part of it looks like it supports the whole statement.

Idk what it is, but I feel like notscience is too agreeable here, Im getting a light scum read on his slot. I dont like his attack on kitty by saying that they have 14 posts, ergo they must be scum.
I think he may have a point about Dessew but Im having a gut scum read on him.
me too
i'm starting to read fast at this point, so i can be caught up and vote for him already

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:55 pm
by Rail Tracer
somebody needs to do this.

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:03 pm
by artemiskitty
In post 286, Humble Poirot wrote:
@artemiskitty:
Besides calling some people town and voting SOS, I don't see that much from you. How confident are you SOS is scum? Why aren't you either pushing him or trying to convince others to vote him?
not terribly confident. but SOS was the first person to get my back up a little. she's good as scum.
i haven't been pushing because i've been slacking on actually reading the thread. which is what i'm doing now.
and i'm still not confident that they are TOWN. but also, not really thinking that our vote on them, today, is in the best place.

speaking of
UNVOTE: SOS

i'm onto NS
and you as well

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:04 pm
by artemiskitty
In post 369, Rail Tracer wrote:somebody needs to do this.

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:05 pm
by Rail Tracer
don't really see an issue with rwap reverse scum hunting. it's how i often do it, and i often end up having a lot of town reads but no (or few) solid scum reads. it's easier to find reasons to think someone is town than it is to find reasons to think someone is scum unless they are just making it obvious. *shrug*
ns wrote:His reads post was kinda bad, but I want to know what you guys are seeing that I'm not.
i'm not sure on this big thing that stubbs has supposedly spotted, but even outside of his more recent posts, i just don't like the overall tone of his iso. for some reason the big wall post seems to have given some people a town impression of him, but like i said earlier, there's a lot of effort that went into the wall but i don't see the town intent. i was really null on it. and when i'm null on a wall, i generally think it's a scum wall.

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:14 pm
by artemiskitty
In post 272, Sound of Silence wrote:
In post 268, Rebel Without a Pulse wrote:I have told Nacho I was townreading you, he agreed with me. What disruptions are you talking about exactly?
Image
yay to TR smilies!

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:17 pm
by artemiskitty
In post 217, notscience wrote:HP what's your opinion on Dessew thus far?
In post 271, notscience wrote:Stubbs what are you thinking of Dessew thus far?
ya, i do this as scum as well