Newbie 1433 - Game Over

[Ranawey]

@Fuzzy
He's null to me.

Townfishing should be town, since maf don't need to fish for townies.

@Skelda
That's the only thing you have to say against Reg's arguements?

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@ Run
I should say that he might be lynch fishing Dont know if the wording makes a difference or if you understood what I was trying to say the first time
What are your thoughts on Skelda ?

[Ranawey]

Aren't we all 'lynch fishing'?

Skelda, as well as Nominull, said that 2Pac not contributed. I disagree. Skelda voted for Bob because he pulled the IC card. Skelda found 2Pac scummy and Nominull stubborn town, yet Nominull is not doing anything besides trying to get 2Pac policy lynched. I've said that I was on V/LA and couldn't read the 2/3 pages were written when I coulnd't access the thread, and still he called me on that. I don't see any valid reasons he was so sure about you being scum. Once again, defended Nominull as stubborn town, then, in the same post he says he doesn't care about Nominull. Because I defended 2Pac I might be his scumpartner, as Skelda said. I can say the same about Nominull and Skelda. He wanted to see you or bob dead today, and I don't see his reasons as valid to do that. He tried to strawman (not sure if that is the word) Satan.

Well, I know it's a bit deorganized, but I was reading his ISO and posting my thoughts about it.

I can see a Skelda-Nominull scumteam, but as I've already said, I'm null on Nominull since I can't read someone who is doing nothing.

[Ranawey]

Or I can, but I feel like every arguement against him is being dropped because the ways he acts. He only 'towntelled' what Reg linked, but I don't feel like that is a real towntell, since I've used that arguement a lot on irc mafia and such. Nominull is null because he might really be a stubborn townie, or he can be maf because of those reads.

[Ranawey]

Oh, argument*. Sorry.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

I guess to me there is a difference between scum hunting and lynch hunting as one is earnestly trying to figure out the bad guy and one is just trying to get a lynch just because

I am waiting to see what Skelda has to say but I have to admit that I am seriously thinking of putting a vote against Skelda bc his logic does not make sense and his actions are starting to seem scummy. I want to give himshelf a chance to explain/ defend his actions.

@ everyone- where is everyone????

[Ranawey]

Yeah, what's going on people? It's like you disappeared, heh.

I see what you mean, Fuzzy, but I don't feel like Ree is doing that particularly, at least, not yet.

[Skelda]

@Skelda

Why would my spots be logical in another game but idiotic here. Sorry but your logic is not making any sense. This is not a parallel universe were the law of universe is changed. It feel like you do like the argument bc it is directed toward you. You also seem very defensive even though you only have two votes against you. Three with Refan vote on you which he took back. You just seem overly defensive and panicky. I dont know what to make of your scum pairings. They kind of seem like the flavor of the moment type thing. You also never explain the vote on me. Why you would not put me at l-1 even though you are sure I am scum.
I never even implied you were scum bc of that. I even gave you a chance to answer without putting any pressure on you. So one time. Please answer my simple question

I thought I was at L-1, sorry. And thanks for giving me a chance, that is nice. Maybe you aren't scum.

So, I am probably not the best Mafia player because I get caught up in moments. A lot of normal towntells don't work on me, because I am so wishy-washy and I don't always stick to my reads, even as town. And I mean, I see why that is easy to lynch.

Fuzzy seemed to just be going along with whatever was said, and archae played IC and contributed nothing and so I thought they were scum. I suspected Satan early on due to a few odd things, but changed my mind. But, the sad thing is, I think some people are really convinced that I mean this town harm because of the way I am.

But the point is, I'm not just going along with what "the town" says. I throw my vote around because that is how I play. At least I'm taking initiative and scum hunting. 2Pac is useless. Nomni is useless. This whole damn town is unreasonable, falling apart, and I got frustrated and probably overreacted, but I'm not ready to be lynched. I feel kind of stuck in a rut, and people just made up their minds that I was scum on no evidence.

Maybe that is what is bothering me. I felt like Satan and 2Pac's case against me was just unreasonable and there was nothing I could do to convince them otherwise. I hate that. Don't tell me not liking that is scummy because it isn't.

So I guess I'm the type to be cold and serious but make posts on a whim without thinking them through, and that makes people think I'm suspicious, which maybe I am.

And for the record, I never seriously saw 2Pac OR Nomni as scum. I just thought that 2Pac's defenders were suspicious, and so grouped him in.

Well, I'm re-reading this thread and I'm taking notes and if you'll hold off lynching me I'll post them. I am always on my mobile, so it is a pain to look back on thread, but I do want to see if I can clear my hewad, because you are all blending together and I am just confused.

[Ranawey]

You keep talking about easy lynchs rather than effective lynchs. 2Pac isn't as useless as Nominull is. We are unreasonable? You weren't helpful about that, since we are 'unreasonable' because you scumtelled too much.

[Nominull]

Yeah, what's going on people? It's like you disappeared, heh.

I see what you mean, Fuzzy, but I don't feel like Ree is doing that particularly, at least, not yet.

I'm right here. I think 2Pac would be a nice compromise lynch if we can't come to a conclusion by the end of the day.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@ Skelda

...In post 285 you confirmed I was L-3. In post 282 you blatantly say you will not put me at l-1 at least not yet. Explain. Also sorry but what you say about me following people is not true. I went after Sthar when I thought he looked scummy , Nobody had said anything about the reaction test. I was on my own. I think I was wrong about it but I stood on my own on it.

FOS- Skelda


@ Nom-

So you are saying you willing lynch someone who might be town so we could have a lynch by the end of the day? Please tell me why this is not scummy bc I see this as really scummy?

FOS- Nom

[Regfan]

Skelda, lets get this right; you're attempting to state that my scum-read on you and explanation in Post 335 isn't logical at all? People (Me in particular) aren't' suspecting you for "No reason" as you're trying to make out in Post 357 had you actually read my post you'd have noticed that and had you read my post you'd have noticed you weren't at L-1. If you're town actually read my post on you and explain what I have wrong. When did your read on Satan change to him being town, what made it change to him being town, why did you not state that your read changed to him being town. Explain your scum read on Bob in detail (What scum motivation is there behind his actions) and explain to me how everyones unreasonable here (Bar Nom and 2Pac).

Fuzzy, generally 'aggressiveness' is a playerstyle tell and not an alignment one, you'll find cases where people are more aggressive as town than scum or more aggressive as scum than town but it's a very small point (For you to state his aggressiveness is potentially scummy here you'd have to compare his town and scum games elsewhere). You seem to have only read part of the reason why I think he's town though, read it again and let me know what you don't agree with being a town tell? Also I can see a lot of scum reads from you and less town reads. So who's town?

Ranawey, what's I'm reading as townish about 223 and 258 is that he doesn't really seem scared if he gets lynched at all and in fact welcomes it. Sure it's possible for that to be some WIFOM-level scum gambit but I don't think it's the case. It reads more as a townie who wants to stick by his ideals regardless of what it means for him that said I need some legitimate content from him because getting sick of his current posts.

Nom, this is your last chance dude. I've read your other games. You can scumhunt, you can state reads. You're not doing it here. What's your thoughts on everyone (And please don't give me another comment about 2Pac). You're seriously not helping in the slightest right now.

Going to get myself lunch and then I'll go through Satan.

[Mr_Ree]

unvote vote Nominull

Sorry guys this flu is kicking my ass. Hoping to get some actual content down soon. My brain is pretty fuzzy from all the meds.

PE- listen to ^This guy in the meantime

[Regfan]

I didn't like the quick change in Satans Post 6 of not wanting to random vote and put votes down since it's dangerous to his vote on Ranawey in Post 7 and it's important to note, that was only 3 minutes later. That's a really big change of stance to have in three minutes and I don't think it's really possible for him to believe that Ran's vote was serious especially if he's played 'a lot of mafia with some friends' as he states in Post 164 since it's really the only way to get into the game. The "just in case" element was weird as well and the explanation in Post 18 didn't really convince me. His Post 33 was awkwardly phrased as is Post 41 stating that you can't defend you're not scum but stating "so there's no point denying it" reads as an unintentional slip. I can't follow any of the reasoning behind his reads in Post 48, "2Pac is scummy therefore I think he's town", "Skelda didn't deny being scum" (Which contradicts with his earlier stance that town can't deny being scum), same goes for his read on Mr Ree. "Fuzzy is scum for acting logical" and "The people who haven't spoken are town" are also things that make zero sense whatsoever. The people who have posted would be the people that had an opportunity to get to the internet and the game at that point which isn't an alignment based tell. The whole "I do not trust you Bob" also reads as an attempt to de-credit. His Post 77 is massively scummy the "Didn't want to vote while being in the spotlight" is image concious which is what scum do whereas town don't care if they're being voted they're still going to try and lynch mafia in the meantime. His Post 164 jumps around massively, he goes from thinking Skelda is scum to thinking it's Mr Ree and Archae what's the worst about it though is that the vote in this post puts Bob to L-1 so really he comes back out of inactivity, changes his read and vote to that of the leading wagon and somehow loses his FoS of Skelda in the process. His Post 177s comment toward Sthar makes me doubt my scum read a little bit though.

WOAH, how did I miss this on my first read through, Post 267 is INSANELY scummy. Especially this part "You never were really scummy to my eyes. Pushed you a bit, but my main target is, as always have been since I made my first reads, Skelda." holy crap this is a scum claim. It contradicts with you know what I'll just quote them all in the next post.

[Regfan]

Vote Satan

x 10000000000000

Ree, change to this guy. He's 100% scum. I'll quote his scum slips in a minute.

[Regfan]

@archie

I am sure you would love Skelda's last post. Do you see the difference between that damn goat and me?

When I said you surely had noticed, without saying what, I thought you really had read it.

You never were really scummy to my eyes. Pushed you a bit, but my main target is, as always have been since I made my first reads, Skelda.

For things like that. He accused me, Ranawey, 2pac, Fuzzy and you Bob of being Scum.

@Skelda
So you basically have 4 players in your scumlist. That makes 6 combinations, but you have only mentioned four of them.
What about Bob-2pac, or Ranawey-Bob?
I don't think neither 2pac or Ranawey are scum. Fuzzy is right now under pressure, or he should be, so I'll wait until he gives some more info.

Bob is, for me, totally scummy.

So, I don't care. But I'd rather get Bob instead of Nominull.

I re-read the game from the start a couple of time, just to realize one thing: archie has been trying to get people lynched for a while. First it was me, with some kind of stupid explanation about me being nervous. The he voted Skelda, just after I did, because maybe he realized I was not getting lynched for now. Then, quickly, he switched his vote towards Nominull. But, the thing is that Nominull does not look scummy to me. He got annoyed by 2pac's sick rhymes, but hey, not everyone likes it. But, it's true I'll be glad to see his reads.
And archie just insists. Somehow, all of this makes me put my FoS on you @archie , and so, my vote.

unvote

VOTE: Archaebob

And, Mr_Ree, I dislike your early push on me. I can believe it was a RT, or I can choose to think that is a cover for an actually intended lynch. You and archie were the first ones to start the wagon. And when Skelda mentioned the doubts he had about archie, you quickly defended him, saying that "if he was mafia, he would have pushed for a Satan early lynch". I can't buy that.

Right now, I think you both are scum partners.

Now the above is what you call a scum slip. We're lynching Satan today. He went "Bob is really scummy, 'lists reasons he thinks Bob is scum", "We're lynching Bob today", "Bob is super scummy to me", "Bob man, I never thought you were scummy in my eyes".

[Nominull]

@ Nom-

So you are saying you willing lynch someone who might be town so we could have a lynch by the end of the day? Please tell me why this is not scummy bc I see this as really scummy?

FOS- Nom

Whoever we lynch might be town, Day 1. There's no getting around that, the game is not so easy as all that. But even beyond that, it is better to lynch someone who is

likely

to be town than to no-lynch, generally. No-lynching is really bad for the town except in special circumstances (e.g. if a mislynch would lose the game but a no-lynch would not, or in some situations with powerful power roles the town can use at night that make them want to drag the game on as long as possible). In general, the lynch is a source of information not controlled by the mafia, and lynching someone,

anyone

, at least gives the town that information to work with. In the case of a no-lynch, the town does not have much new information the next day, and so the lynch situation is not likely to look any better. Lynching at least moves the game forward in a way that the scum don't control.

I'm sure our IC will back me up on the value of lynching someone you're not sure on as opposed to no-lynching.

[Regfan]

Nom, no lynching is not even a consideration at this point so that entire angle of conversation is pointless. Also please stop ignoring me. I want some reads and thoughts from you, you're not incompetent and your previous games show that so please actually help here (Notice everyones getting frustrated by your lack of assistance?). Also I suggest you read Post 363 and Post 365 now and let me know your thoughts on them.

[Nominull]

Nom, no lynching is not even a consideration at this point so that entire angle of conversation is pointless.

I was asked "So you are saying you willing lynch someone who might be town so we could have a lynch by the end of the day? Please tell me why this is not scummy bc I see this as really scummy?" I obligingly told him why it was not scummy.

[Regfan]

Yes and it originated with you stating that we can consider a compromise lynch at the end of the day and we're not exactly there yet so it's not really worth talking about.

And please please please stop ignoring my request; I want some reads and thoughts from you, especially on Satans scum slip.

[Nominull]

Yes and it originated with you stating that we can consider a compromise lynch at the end of the day and we're not exactly there yet so it's not really worth talking about.

There's only a few more days left until deadline, and low activity increases the risk. It's worth thinking about IMO.

Speaking of low activity, can we get a prod on 2Pac?

[Nominull]

Sorry that should have been bold for the mod to read it.

can we get a prod on 2Pac?

[Regfan]

A few days is plenty of time and how can you complain about "Low activity" when you're not actually doing anything. Jesus christ, can you read my posts on Satan and state your thoughts on it please or state your reads on someone that isn't 2Pac because this is becoming a joke.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Regfan- You are right. I guess I had some false assumptions . I know that scum must have mislynches to win so I assumed that scum would have to be aggressive at least somewhat. Thinking about what you said I realize that I was wrong on that one.

Nom- I dont see how a compromise lynch would give any new info. It seems like lynching for lynching sake. I can see a random or a regular lynch being helpful since we can see who voted for who and why and we could get some tells. It seems to me , and I could be wrong, that a compromise lynch will give us very little info and a dead townie.

[Regfan]

Compromise lynches are essentially a back up plan in that if we don't agree on anyone with a day to go until the deadline we do that. End of discussion that topic.

Fuzzy, how come you didn't comment on Satans scum slip that I elaborated on at all?