Mini 356 - Sanity Mafia (Game Over!)


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Post Post #350 (ISO) » Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:15 pm

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Im going to claim tonight's result as it doesn;'t matter now anyway - Thok is sane..
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Post Post #351 (ISO) » Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:39 pm

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Primate wrote:How does having an insane doc correspond in any real weighty way to us having a second psych? I can see suggestions in favour of it, sure, but they're not enough to waylay suspicions. Need to hear from bertrand, as always.
It says that his results are consistent with game information. It wasn't completely obvious that orange=insane, and it wasn't clear that DGB was responsible for the second kill (and perhaps it still not clear). That lends some weight to him being a psychologist.

I mean, I am worried about the fact that bertrand hasn't really given us anything that's truly verifiable yet (from my point of view, since his only two results are determined retroactively), but given that I feel we have better things to do today (namely looking at Lumos), it's worthwhile waiting until tomorrow to figure out if and how we need to deal with the two claimed psychologists. If all else fails, it gives us another day of results from bertrand and me, which can't hurt.

@thedocsalive-if you believe me, Lumos is paranoid, which means her role is useless, whatever group she is in.
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Post Post #352 (ISO) » Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:21 pm

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Well I don't really know what to say.... How did he get results on who I investigated the other night? Unless he's like a Godfather Stalker
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Post Post #353 (ISO) » Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:43 pm

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Lumos wrote:Well I don't really know what to say.... How did he get results on who I investigated the other night? Unless he's like a Godfather Stalker
The popular theory seems to be that you told him.

What was your result for last night?
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Post Post #354 (ISO) » Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:12 am

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I'm currently trying to understand the game. It's not exactly easy but I should have some conclusions tomorrow as well as some information to present to the town.
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Post Post #355 (ISO) » Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:11 am

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Last Night I investigated Primate. and was told that he has a gun. But my sanity could be seriously messing with the results if I'm paranoid.
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Post Post #356 (ISO) » Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:47 pm

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Thok wrote:@thedocsalive-if you believe me, Lumos is paranoid, which means her role is useless, whatever group she is in.
Okay. So does that make her any less scummy from the events of yesterday? The only possible explanation I would see where she's not mafia is if there is a mafia tracker, and he/she got results early enough to discuss them with the rest of the group. Of course, I think this is highly unlikely, and I think Lumos is scum.
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Post Post #357 (ISO) » Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:50 pm

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thedocsalive wrote:
Thok wrote:@thedocsalive-if you believe me, Lumos is paranoid, which means her role is useless, whatever group she is in.
Okay. So does that make her any less scummy from the events of yesterday? The only possible explanation I would see where she's not mafia is if there is a mafia tracker, and he/she got results early enough to discuss them with the rest of the group. Of course, I think this is highly unlikely, and I think Lumos is scum.
Well yes, I think it's clear that she's scum, but there's no reason to overstate the case against her.
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Post Post #358 (ISO) » Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:54 pm

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Thok wrote:
thedocsalive wrote:
Thok wrote:@thedocsalive-if you believe me, Lumos is paranoid, which means her role is useless, whatever group she is in.
Okay. So does that make her any less scummy from the events of yesterday? The only possible explanation I would see where she's not mafia is if there is a mafia tracker, and he/she got results early enough to discuss them with the rest of the group. Of course, I think this is highly unlikely, and I think Lumos is scum.
Well yes, I think it's clear that she's scum, but there's no reason to overstate the case against her.
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Post Post #359 (ISO) » Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:03 pm

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Thok, I think we need your psych result still for last night.

Lumos, I missed your night one investigation, what was it? I got N2 as Primate has a gun.

My cop result is that Lumos is innocent.

I'm going to look over my notes and and wait for some more information to analyze everything.
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Post Post #360 (ISO) » Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:08 pm

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oh ya, colors in the beginning.

I'm not totally sure that colors are indicative of sanity, mafia is apparently still their typical red color, so it's possible that they are different alignments or something. The doctor could've been an SK of some sort, thought I'm not sure how that would've worked with how the mod did it, but I see the possibilities as either:

colors indicate alignment, DGB was an SK, and then there's mafia and town. or
colors indicate sanity, we have a lot of dead sane players, implying sane is the most common (probably) sanity in the game. DGB is insane and was most likely responsible for the second kill. I don't know what to make of the red, if it's simply the mafia's own color, of if the mafia colors still correspond to sanity. Though I'd say they'd have their own color.


Also, it's stated that we could possibly have more than one psych, we have
at least
one, and they are all guaranteed sane. Looking at results, I can trust both of their psych claims, for now anyways. It's possible that it's one scum, one town though. Not sure about that.
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Post Post #361 (ISO) » Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:13 pm

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Thok wrote:Thedocsalive is Naive.
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Post Post #362 (ISO) » Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:36 am

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al_kohaulec wrote:Thok, I think we need your psych result still for last night.

Lumos, I missed your night one investigation, what was it? I got N2 as Primate has a gun.

My cop result is that Lumos is innocent.

I'm going to look over my notes and and wait for some more information to analyze everything.
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Post Post #363 (ISO) » Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:37 am

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and got a positive for a gun :P
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Post Post #364 (ISO) » Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:48 am

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Alko, do you have an objection to revealing your n1 result?

Yadda yadda, not confirm or deny Lumos' result unless necessary, yadda yadda.

I still reckon colours=sanity. Otherwise it'd be impossible to parse who had done what as regarding things like DGB (assuming she
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Post Post #365 (ISO) » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:29 am

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Primate wrote:Alko, do you have an objection to revealing your n1 result?
Hmm....
al_kohaulec wrote: The psych isn't coming out, we just plan to have every player (psych or not) say their result if they were psych. So let's say Player A, B, and C all give a result as the psych, then Player B dies as the psych, we have all of the psych's investigations, and can use them. If we simply has Player B come out, he could die. If we didn't have any investigations revealed, then he's apparently useless as he's now dead.

This might also end up being a good thing to do with cops as well because I'd assume we'll have multiple cops, with different sanities of course, so that could provide more info. for us.
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Post Post #366 (ISO) » Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:32 am

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I've got a theory of what's happening in this game, but I sort of want to hear from Scalebane before I present it.

With four out of sevenish claimed, I wonder if a mass claim would be useful.
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Post Post #367 (ISO) » Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:40 pm

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I have a theory of my own, but I'm only counting three roleclaims.
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Post Post #368 (ISO) » Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:53 pm

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al_kohaulec wrote:I have a theory of my own, but I'm only counting three roleclaims.
I was assuming you were claiming cop (given that we hadn't had a reson to give out cop info yet and you were the only person to do so), although I could be wrong.

Clearly me, bertrand, and Lumos have claimed.
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Post Post #369 (ISO) » Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:51 am

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I'm a cop, but I'm either sane or naive. I've gotten two innocent results: Thok and CK.

Now I understand that this is inconsistent with what I "said" day 1. And that's because I realized shortly after I posted the "results" on day 1, that I actually *am* a cop and it's a little hard to change the "fake" results after you've posted them.
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Post Post #370 (ISO) » Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:29 am

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I'm happy to claim at this point, though its not as if my claim will shed too much light on anything that's happened in the game so far.

I'm a vig. Haven't used my abilty yet, so no idea what it actually does. Also, I was kinda hoping for some paranoid-gun-owner shennanigans.
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Post Post #371 (ISO) » Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:01 pm

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Since it seems we're going with a mass claim here (only alko and myself haven't yet), I'm a cop. As I said, no result N1. N2 I got innocent on bertrand. But with Thok's psych info on me, obviously those choices don't matter much.
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Post Post #372 (ISO) » Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:15 pm

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oh wow, I guess I might as well claim.

I am surprised to see that I'm the only vanilla townie, yes I am a vanilla townie.

Primate I was guessing was a cop, but I was guessing he was a sane cop, I saw doc as a possible cop, but really doubted it since he didn't send in a N1 target, guess I was wrong there.

Well, I guess we can start looking at the claims and player's actions.

I find the vig claim interesting, but we'll have to look into that.

Wait, who's PJ's mason buddy?
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Post Post #373 (ISO) » Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:32 pm

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al_kohaulec wrote:Wait, who's PJ's mason buddy?
Lack of PJ mason buddy supports blue=naive. It also suggests paranoid=scum (although I'm not completely attached to that yet, as it might be too obvious).

In any case we probably aren't split 3-3-3-3; if you believe I'm telling the truth and that color=sanity, then we definately aren't, since we'd have a group of three (PJ,Kurtz,Maz) plus a known sane (me) and a known naive (thedocsalive) which requires at least 4 of either sane or naive.

For what it's worth, I'm leaning towards an insane Primate to balance out an insane DGB.
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Post Post #374 (ISO) » Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:56 pm

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An insane Primate would make sense to balance that out.

I wouldn't expect sanities to be necessarily balanced like that, it's possible, but I'm not going to expect it too much.

You know, if paranoid did equal scum, it'd be interesting because it sounds like we don't have a useful cop, I'll have to check the results though.

And I don't really know about the mason thing, depending on how it was done. Maybe if it was "You know [x] to be town" and had no discussion ability involved, maybe I could see it, but as for a typical mason role (that I've gotten used to more recently) I'm not sure how that would work.
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