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In post 347, Sharpest-knife-on-tree wrote:I know perfectly well what I am doing and the direction I chose.

Apparently not since if you did then you'd have not brought it up and realize I know my own rules better than anyone else. I know their ins and outs better than anyone. I know their intended meaning, even if the literal wording didn't say that. The metaphor I brought up is perfectly accurate a vivid description of it. It's entering into a fight that is quite literally impossible to win, with confidence that you're the one who can't lose because you mistakenly believe you've got an "a-ha!" trap that has been sprung. But I digress. It's not really that relevant to the game.

In post 346, Sharpest-knife-on-tree wrote:If you are familiar with me please describe for me, generally who I am.

I don't really hold that intimate familiarity. But I've seen your posting, well...the best term I can think of, is..."richer" than this.

If I wasn't feeling so lazy, I could probably compile some of those games and show it, but that's the most apt description of it, boiled down to its most succinct central point. You're capable of more wealthy, lively, hearty posting. What you've shown hasn't been that. (That, I can show faster, but am still a little bit lazy. ) That's aside from the problems in post 341, of which there are multiple, that only add to it. (I probably will be explaining this one, but am...still incredibly lazy. )

Hm, now where have I seen this before....

mastin as ??? explaining a scumread without reasoning

In post 342, mastin2 wrote:Yeah, but I've seen you around so I have a fairly decent idea of what you're capable of doing as town.

This...doesn't seem like it.

Your posting is empty. There's nothing there. Rock-solid, no, 'specially since I don't have that absolute familiarity. Decently-assured, yes, yes I am.

mastin as scum explaining a "scumread" without reasoning

In post 107, mastin2 wrote:Talah was a scumread for much of the reasoning Rogers presented, though my own wording is slightly different--basically, there's nothing genuine about talah's posting; it's hollow, shallow, easily faked and overall just feeling plain empty. He's playing a highly-reactionary game rather than a proactive one, and overall, he feels like he's not scumhunting; he feels like he's trying to get a feeling for how to manipulate players.

Thanks for the cakeday wishes btw mastin. I can't believe it's been a year since I signed up, but it's one hell of a ride.

@Rach - I don't really know what you're expecting from me regarding hyper-puppy but usually that kind of posting is just me snowballing into rage or indignation, and a lot of the time I don't really find that useful or comfortable these days, even if I can't help it a lot of the time.

Also what Pere said about Rogers. Similarly I'm still waiting for non-posters to actually post (in particular Nacho but also TSO) and some more posting from others (whatever the hell that Fear thing is for example, my question to SSK and also have my eye on others I should be able to get reads-ish on - yourself for one, and Sakura and hopefully Saki). There are some others I've either read some of or passingly played with before as well, eg Wisdom/notscience and Zdenek who I think I *might* be able to get reads on with interaction). But it's impossible to have my fingers in all pies at once.

All that good stuff. But anyway that's where I'm at right now. Also have a bit of RL shit to deal with over the next couple of days, but will certainly be around.

In post 352, talah wrote:mastin as ??? explaining a scumread without reasoning

In post 342, mastin2 wrote:Yeah, but I've seen you around so I have a fairly decent idea of what you're capable of doing as town.
This...doesn't seem like it.
Your posting is empty. There's nothing there. Rock-solid, no, 'specially since I don't have that absolute familiarity. Decently-assured, yes, yes I am.

mastin as scum explaining a "scumread" without reasoning

In post 107, mastin2 wrote:Talah was a scumread for much of the reasoning Rogers presented, though my own wording is slightly different--basically, there's nothing genuine about talah's posting; it's hollow, shallow, easily faked and overall just feeling plain empty. He's playing a highly-reactionary game rather than a proactive one, and overall, he feels like he's not scumhunting; he feels like he's trying to get a feeling for how to manipulate players.

Know how, normally, when there's a similarity between two games, I'll fully admit it? Y'know. "Okay, I can kinda see that.
...It's wrong, but I can see why you'd think it's right."
Stuff like that?
Or "Sure, but it doesn't mean what you think it does."?
And similar?

Yeah, well.
Have that in mind when I say this.

Those two are absolutely alike, and you comparing my game to 172 (when they're basically the difference between night and day) is setting off all kinds of alarm bells.

In post 354, Aegor wrote:

Mod, please fix tags in above post & count vote, if possible.

VOTE: Necro

In post 351, mastin2 wrote:I don't really hold that intimate familiarity. But I've seen your posting, well...the best term I can think of, is..."richer" than this.If I wasn't feeling so lazy, I could probably compile some of those games and show it, but that's the most apt description of it, boiled down to its most succinct central point. You're capable of more wealthy, lively, hearty posting. What you've shown hasn't been that. (That, I can show faster, but am still a little bit lazy. ) That's aside from the problems in post 341, of which there are multiple, that only add to it. (I probably will be explaining this one, but am...still incredibly lazy. )

we are 15 pages in. You will note that some of my "richer" content is either when I am focused on someone or tunneling or placed in a place of suspicion, often due to my differences with the culture here and my general way of engaging. Seeing how generally I keep a lot of thoughts to myself, particularly regarding completed peacebringer games. My intent with the alt was to be a bit more open with my play and discussion. I really like to see how you thought my play in the game we played in together was "rich." Of course you were a day 1'd bad guy and I ended up a night killed GG who folks should have listened to but I have not the cred or charisma to bring such and I don't always have "evidence" to things I sense, I just sense it. I have no sense right now as we are 15 pages in on day one.

Oh and I was not looking for tit for tat on your rules. I know you know your rules. My purpose was to engage you, and here we are. I haven't got enough yet to get a full sense of genuine or evasive mastin for myself. So I will keep picking and watching.

In post 350, Bulbazak wrote:TheNecromancers (6): Jordan_Downey, Talah, Xayzeck, Natirasha, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Aegor

Okay, they can't all be scum.

Nobody (aside from maybe Antihero) would like to have their egos stroked more than to have all scum on a wagon.

But this wagon is, quite bluntly put, pretty much objectively god-awful.
Not all scum, sure.
2-3 scum, assured. (Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe 4 if we're pushin' it.)

Jordan/talah/SKOT (and maybe Nati) being my main focus.

They're the same. It's you pushing on someone that you actually have no reason to be scumreading and retroactively justifying the read by waving an airy-fairy wand of "empty posting" which can't be disputed by your target, except by quoting their entire ISO in blow-by-blows.

In post 357, Aegor wrote:

Mod: thanks for the clarification

VOTE: Necro

if only i had a million vig kills for this

i love the meta-readers on mastin who blissfully ignore my meta-readers.

In post 352, talah wrote:Also what Pere said about Rogers

also I really do have to laugh and someone calling my posting as rich. I come from a place where "shtick" is the rule of the day and that can be evidence by looking back a decade and folks like BabyJesus and others at that time. They quickly bored with here and I stuck around for a bit until I had enough. That was in the days of many no lynches and little actual engagement. So I do laugh at the "rich" description and an idea that my posts have "more content." LOL.

In post 362, Antihero wrote:i love the meta-readers on mastin who blissfully ignore my meta-readers.

I am having fun picking at Mastin... I got nothing on you.

In post 361, Antihero wrote:if only i had a million vig kills for this

Patience, Antihero, 'cause there's someone who needs death much more rapidly.

VOTE: talah.

I just realized.

One of the main things talah and I had in our discussions was that talah would learn to not read me by that meta. We both know that it's a mistake. We both know that it'll lead to a misread on me. That point GreyICE made is kinda what I'm talking about, in that we discussed it. I'll have to pull up the dead QT for the precise wording, but basically, it was agreed--talah would be able to read me on my play in the current game, not by referencing the past game, not by relying on somewhat-forced tells, on things that were contextually-dependent and don't apply elsewhere.


Skip forward to here and now.
Where talah?

Does the thing he said he wouldn't be doing.

In post 362, Antihero wrote:i love the meta-readers on mastin who blissfully ignore my meta-readers.

How about a juicy scumgame or two to get us in the mood? Desp Jokes game doesn't count.

and that is a really poor meta argument that is taking things way outside of this game that really has no relation to this game.
Oh and how are his forced tells any different then yours miss?

In post 362, Antihero wrote:i love the meta-readers on mastin who blissfully ignore my meta-readers.

I see you draw scum a lot and win as scum a lot. So in other words you are very dangerous and probably very good and convincing others that you are not scum. So actually I prefer picking at mastin, you won't give me much to work off.

mastin why am i hilariously town again

is it because i expressed reluctance at the idea of your wagon

because right now i'm feeling like i want to jump on it after all

[marquis]

on the otherside you can be of value to town Anti when you got your mind set to it. Will really get more from mastin.

"you dare have the audacity to think i am scum!!????" hey hey hey hey it just sounds like you are ignoring peoples' reasons for voting you and just attacking them blindly because of the vote. and ignoring why you're scummy is not a defense at all

UNVOTE:
VOTE: necro

good news!!!! this wagon is at least guaranteed to be partially town driven now because i have joined it

so mastin stop talking about how it must be a scum driven wagon and please try to talk about other players in ways that don't imply that this game revolves around you kthxbai~~

[marquis]

In post 369, Sharpest-knife-on-tree wrote:

In post 362, Antihero wrote:i love the meta-readers on mastin who blissfully ignore my meta-readers.

I see you draw scum a lot and win as scum a lot. So in other words you are very dangerous and probably very good and convincing others that you are not scum. So actually I prefer picking at mastin, you won't give me much to work off.

everyone wins as scum a lot, that's the nature of this game. and it's not because i take people for a ride; it's because in those games, town was foolish enough to pretty much give me the game even though i was obvscum.

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