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Post Post #350 (ISO) » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:25 am

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Your answer makes sense to me, Yosarian, so I'll explain my reason for asking.

Porochaz is already voting Farside. I feel better voting her based on the fact that she's buddied up to Elmo so blatantly, which doesn't make him town, necessarily, but does make her seem scummy.

Plus Elmo has already sort of indicated a willingness to bus her with this:
Elmo wrote:I don't particularly disagree, Bookitty, except I think the masons are scum. I'd say, if you want to lynch one of me and Farside, you should probably go for the person you think is scummier; until, like, a post ago, I thought that was Farside. I don't think she's scum, either, but I'm always going to be more certain about myself. (I think the point Yos makes is correct; I can now only really be scum with Farside. So there's little point lynching me instead of lynching her. *shrug*)
In the interest of a consensus lynch on someone I feel pretty certain is scum (and because of time constraints) I'm going to:

unvote; vote Farside
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Post Post #351 (ISO) » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:33 am

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The fact that there hasn't been a daykill today may very well be explained by the absence of our mod. I prodded our co-mod petroleumjelly. We will need a mod after all, even if it means a kill from the SK...

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Bookitty wrote:Additionally these statements seem deliberately designed to mislead the town, given what CD is currently claiming:

chaotic_diablo wrote:
If the daykill is one-shot, then it would mean a one-shot SK will have a bizarre win condition. As such, I do not believe a one-shot SK is possible. The only options left are that a one-shot vig exists or a mafia member with a one-shot daykill ability exists.
Anything other than a one-shot, I'm not as certain on anything.


chaotic diablo wrote:
I'm confused about Elmo's stance on the kill. He proposed the first kill to be SK due to timing. Since we assume the recent night kill was by the same person, it's strange to think the killer is now a vig.


Why did you say these things?, chaotic_diablo, if you are pro-town? It's clearly misleading, is it not? It undercuts your claimed role quite badly.
C_D didn't answer this, please do.

Another question for C_D: Why aren't you telling us about your other possibility to gain a night-kill? Is it something we can affect?

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Elmo wrote:Trying to work out what Samruc's speedy unvote means. Hrm.
Except for the obvious, you mean...

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C_D wrote:In the time between the -1 vote and the -1 unvote, both porochaz and setael posted without hammering.
Yes, but the fact that there might be a vig around makes hammering a bit dangerous, so it's not a clear town-tell.

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Assuming we have an SK, which seems probable by now, there is some hope there are only two scum. It's a lot easier to fit in a pair than a trio among {Setael, Yos, Elmo, farside, Bookitty}. I think we can safely assume for now that C_D is not *scum*, possibly SK.

One possibility that hasn't been mentioned before is Bookitty - Yos. It might be something, since Bookitty unvoted at L-1, and now seems fairly sure Yos is town. On the other hand, "there's no good link that I can make for Yosarian as a scumbuddy for ANYONE" might be too bold a move to make about your scumpartner.

With five candidates, there are 5 * 4 / 2 = 10 possible pairs. Add to that me and Porochaz if you like, and we've got a total amount of 11. If you look at it mathematically, lynching me or Porochaz can take away one possibility. On the other hand, if it's a hit, the game is won. If we lynch one of the others, 4 possibilites dissappear, while not giving as much info if it hits.

I don't think Bookitty is an option for today. I don't think C_D is an option. From what a majority seems to think, it won't be Porochaz or me. In fact you would need 5 of the 6 non-masons for that lynch to happen. I suggest one of us is vigged instead, if it is needed, but hopefully we find a scum today and conclude that Poro and me is not their partner.

I'd suggest everyone ranks the "other four", cause that's where I think today's lynch will end anyway...

Yos: Would be interesting to see, because of my new slight feeling that it could be him and Bookitty. Yos - farside? Yos - Elmo? The later seems more probable.

Setael: Hard to say. Haven't heard from her since the claim, and as such, she might actually counterclaim. Not saying that she should, though, even if she is.

(Btw, Setael was vig in my last mini, and did a good job. There were masons in that setup too. I would have been surprised if she had doubted my and Poro's claim, since we had a somewhat similar discussion in that game. From my point of view, this is a small town tell.)

farside: Possibly linked with Elmo, maybe not. Thinking about the nature of their link, it seems more probable that Elmo would be scum buddying up to farside, than she being lucky, simply accepting her "town fan" in Elmo. Farside - Bookitty is another combo I don't think have been mentioned. (I guess all combos involving Boo haven't been mentioned. Anyway)

Elmo: Hi. As I said before, I'd rather vote Elmo over farside. Elmo - Yos is a possibility. Elmo - Setael maybe not so much. I suspected Elmo *a lot* during D1, and looking back I know exactly why I changed my mind; because of your complete turn-around regarding myself after I had unvoted you. I know that's a bad argument, and maybe I shouldn't have listened so much to it.

So... my ranking would now be:
1) Elmo
2) farside
3) Yos
4) Setael

Vote: Elmo


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I think this is an up-to-date vote count:
Setael: Yos, Elmo
Samruc: farside
Elmo: Setael, Samruc
farside: Porochaz, Bookitty

Not voting: C_D

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It feels a lot better being on the same wagon as Setael and Bookitty, compared to Yos and Elmo...

Edit: I guess I'm not anymore... ah well, I changed the VC, gotta eat something now.
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Post Post #352 (ISO) » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:07 am

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Lol. So Bookitty moves over to farside and Samruc moves over to elmo at the same time?

I was mostly voting elmo over farside just becasue I thought he had more votes and we really need to end the day, but if Samruc's votecount is right it looks like if I vote farside he'll have 3 votes, so
unvote:elmo
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vote:farside
. Either one is fine by me, let's please just lynch someone ASAP.
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Post Post #353 (ISO) » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:30 am

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I'm not budding up to Elmo. I've agreed with him and his assesments thus far. I've seen people agree with BooKitty and it is not consider budding up? Yos2 and Elmo have both done this at one point or another. A possible scum pair I could see with BooKitty is her and Seteal. She has proclaimed her town all of day 2 with nothing to really back that up.

Possible scum pairs:
Porochaz & Samruc
BooKitty & Seteal
Elmo or Yos2 & BooKitty.

1) Samruc & Porochaz
2) Seteal
3) BooKitty


I think Elmo is just as informed as I am when it comes done the the "mason" claim. If CD is right he can't do a kill tonight as a vig so I don't see how asking the vig to do a kill he can't shouldn't slide the 2 known pair off the hook. My vote stands.
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Post Post #354 (ISO) » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:46 am

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Whoa. A lot has changed.

I'm about 50/50 on c_d's claim. I can see the day SK/night vig possibility, but I can also see him being an SK who can kill during the day and during the following night. Based on who was chosen, I think it's more likely we have both an SK and c_d is the vig. Either way, I don't think he's part of a mafia group. I do have one question.

@c_d: Is there anything in your flavor that explains the kill method of scratching? I would expect a spider to bite.

I still have doubts that Elmo and Farside are scum buddies. If they're scum together, I think it's so odd that she agreed with the weak case Elmo made on me the way she did. I have to concede that either I've been wrong about that or one of my other assumptions (that the masons are telling the truth or that both Yos and Bookitty are town) are wrong.

I think we badly need a lynch soon if we're going to finish this game by deadline. My #1 choice would be an elmo lynch but farside is #2 so I'm willing to hammer her.

Farside, claim please.
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Post Post #355 (ISO) » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:38 am

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Setael wrote: Farside, claim please.
Well I wish I was creative and could make up some role like others. Unfortuately I just don't have that type of imagination. My role is Hedgewitch. Nothing but a simple vanilla townie. I'm sure since I have no special role I'll be the easy lynch, but I can't believe everyone still alive has a special role. :roll:
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Post Post #356 (ISO) » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:41 am

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Bookitty wrote:ANTITHESIS WAS NOT LYNCHED.

He was
vigged or killed by a serial killer
. He was NOT LYNCHED.

I have no idea why you keep referring to it this way. A
vig or SK
does not care how many votes you have. Someone killed Antithesis. The town did not lynch him. He did not have enough votes to be lynched. He was
vigged or an SK
got him. I don't see how I can be any clearer on this point.
HOW DO YOU KNOW IT WAS NOT A MAFIA ABILITY? YOU ARE VERY VERY CLEAR ON THIS POINT AND THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY YOU CAN KNOW FOR SURE, NOW.

See, if c_d is a SK, he's motivated to daykill Antithesis. That much is obvious. I still think c_d daykilled him. But everyone else was thinking it might be mafia, at that point; only the mafia would know that it
wasn't
.



c_d is either a vig or an SK, at this point. If there a real vig who killed Fonz, they would have claimed at this point.
S&P are either both scum or both town. As such:

Porochaz + Samruc + Bookitty

I think this works. Pretty much none of them have thrown suspicion each other's way, except for Bookitty FoSing Porochaz a bit, and then voting him in 157, but quickly moving off in 178. She also votes him later, but quickly becomes convinced by the mason claim, I think she hasn't actually given reasons why her Porochaz suspicion evaporated, given she was neutral towards Samruc. So I could see this with a small bit of distancing, yeah.

Porochaz + Samruc + farside

Farside's been on Samruc for a while. Doubtful.

Porochaz + Samruc + Setael

She's pretty much been pushing for both of their lynches for a while. This would require epic bussing on her part. I mean, that would be pretty awesome if it's true. But it's probably not. :)

Porochaz + Samruc + Yosarian

One of Yos's many FoS goes to Samruc, without any followup that I can see.. I've said I don't like that, and it's easy to see why, now; I have no idea if that's genuine or not. Could be distancing, could be whatever. Yos votes Porochaz day 2, unvotes to vote me.. I can kinda see why, though. Doubtful, again.

So, like, if there are three scum and the masons are scum, it's probably S&P + Bookitty. That's really the only one I can see working.

Bookitty + farside

Bookitty's expressed suspicion of farside, but in front ofother people, she keeps having someone else more suspicious to lynch, ... I don't think she actually voted her until a day or two ago, where she says she's "pretty certain" Farside is scum, and points out that I'm heavily linked to her. If I'm totally wrong, that would be quite neat bussing. Farsides's pretty positive towards Bookitty. Works, I think.

Bookitty, why haven't you voted Farside before this?

Bookitty + Setael

This is an interesting one. Setael is quite supportive of Bookitty throughout. Bookitty doesn't comment on her much, no suspicion, and she defends her a
little
with respect to my attack on her, calling it a non-case, and so on... it's difficult to know how much of it is genuine misunderstanding, but there might be something slightly off, there. Seems to want to point at the fact there's nothing solid a little too much, maybe that's just her playstyle, but then again she does similar things in her analysis, saying my comment about townie brownies doesn't feel quite right or a 'general feeling' of Farside doing such-and-such. Works quite well.

Bookitty + Yosarian

Yos seems quite confidant that Bookitty is town throughout, like. Bookitty seems a lil' eager to vote him, although she says she's "a bit leery given the other person on the wagon is someone I'm highly suspicious of" and she unvotes quickly. Hum. Works with a tiny bit of distancing from Bookitty.

farside + Setael

Farside says nothing about her for a while, but then follows me onto her with my gut feeling, due to her reaction. I can see little to no point doing that if they're together, albeit it's good distancing if no-one else hops on (which they didn't). Doubtful.

farside + Yosarian

Yos FoSes and unFoSes. Meh. FoSes Samruc for the OMGUS vote of Farside. Says he likes Bookitty's case, but does nothin' about it at that point. Puts other people above her in his list of suspects. As it gets nearer the end, Yos kinda move towards her being in a scumgroup, and eventually vote her. I'm not particularly confidant that isn't bussing, for the same reason as Bookitty; if she flips scum, I'm very likely to get lynched / vigged anyway, but it does seem like he can live with her lynch. Farside kinda puts Yos as #3 in a list but never really goes anywhere with it for a while, until she follows me (?) into voting him, but kinda backs off and goes after Samruc again. Dunno, kinda doubtful.

Setael + Yosarian

Setael hasn't interacted much with Yos. Yos has barely commented on Setael, and seemed a little reticent to comment on her play when I asked him. Works.



Porochaz + Samruc + Bookitty = Works?

Bookitty + farside = Works
Bookitty + Setael = Works(!)
Bookitty + Yosarian = Works

Setael + Yosarian = Works

So, if we've got three, it's probably one of:

a) Bookitty + Porochaz + Samruc
b) Bookitty + Setael + Yosarian

From my point of view. Mostly because so few people have expressed suspicion of Bookitty, funnily enough. Both are
kind of
plausible, I haven't really paid much attention to her (relatively speaking), and we both have that "I like this person and we have stuff in common so I think they're pro-town" thing that I
know
is going to bite me in the ass one day. But I seriously doubt she's going to get lynched at this point. So I'm fairly meh.. I mean, I may or may not be right, but it's kinda too late to do much about it now. I wish I had a better sense of whether or not there are likely to be two mafia and a SK or whether three mafia was still possible. If I knew there were three, I'd be putting more effort in, but things are so thoroughly confused at the moment.. eh.

I think, at this point, it's very likely that farside gets lynched anyway. If Farside gets lynched and flips scum, yeah, c_d should probably be killing me tonight if he's able due to whatever special condition. *shrug* If I'm
that
wrong, then, uh, yeah, I'm pretty hosed.
Yosarian2 wrote:I also have to admit, I like Elmo's latest post here. It feels like good pro-town reasoning.
Which post was that, anyway?
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Post Post #357 (ISO) » Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:04 pm

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Elmo wrote:
Bookitty wrote:ANTITHESIS WAS NOT LYNCHED.

He was
vigged or killed by a serial killer
. He was NOT LYNCHED.

I have no idea why you keep referring to it this way. A
vig or SK
does not care how many votes you have. Someone killed Antithesis. The town did not lynch him. He did not have enough votes to be lynched. He was
vigged or an SK
got him. I don't see how I can be any clearer on this point.
HOW DO YOU KNOW IT WAS NOT A MAFIA ABILITY? YOU ARE VERY VERY CLEAR ON THIS POINT AND THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY YOU CAN KNOW FOR SURE, NOW.
You're reaching here. Read what I was responding to, from Skitzer. What is it I reiterate over and over? That Antithesis was not LYNCHED. That was my main point. I didn't anywhere say that I was sure it was not a Mafia member, I did not list either that it could have been an accidental death at the hands of a thorn, and since I've never seen either as a daykill, it wouldn't have occurred to me that this was the case.

But I do note your hostility right after I moved my vote to Farside.
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Post Post #358 (ISO) » Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:08 pm

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Sorry for two posts, but I somehow missed this off before:
Elmo wrote:Bookitty + farside
Bookitty's expressed suspicion of farside, but in front ofother people, she keeps having someone else more suspicious to lynch, ... I don't think she actually voted her until a day or two ago, where she says she's "pretty certain" Farside is scum, and points out that I'm heavily linked to her. If I'm totally wrong, that would be quite neat bussing. Farsides's pretty positive towards Bookitty. Works, I think.

Bookitty, why haven't you voted Farside before this?
Post 110. Post 178. You're totally wrong.
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Post Post #359 (ISO) » Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:18 pm

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I love the fact as soon as suspicion comes there way they both explode in a gooey like fashion... both over reacted and both interestingly decided that suddenly bookie was a good lynch despite the fact that she has hardly been suspected AT ALL BY ANYONE!!!
Well I wish I was creative and could make up some role like others. Unfortuately I just don't have that type of imagination. My role is Hedgewitch. Nothing but a simple vanilla townie. I'm sure since I have no special role I'll be the easy lynch, but I can't believe everyone still alive has a special role.
Well interestingly out of the 8 of us alive, 3 of us have claimed, thats 5 unknown roles, so yeah EVERYONE ALIVE has a powerrole... and 3 hedgewitches have been killed (ie.non powered townies) so having 3 power roles still alive is not a stretch and all might not even be protown...

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Post Post #360 (ISO) » Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:27 pm

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Unvote, vote: farside


Vote count:

Farside: Bookitty, Porochaz, Samruc, Yos
Setael: Elmo
Samruc: farside
Elmo: Setael

Not voting: C_D

It's L-1.

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Post Post #361 (ISO) » Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:36 pm

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Good point. Ibaesha might be gone for awhile. Time out until she shows up.

unvote, vote: farside
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Post Post #362 (ISO) » Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:43 pm

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Bookitty wrote:You're reaching here. Read what I was responding to, from Skitzer. What is it I reiterate over and over? That Antithesis was not LYNCHED. That was my main point. I didn't anywhere say that I was sure it was not a Mafia member, I did not list either that it could have been an accidental death at the hands of a thorn, and since I've never seen either as a daykill, it wouldn't have occurred to me that this was the case.
I perfectly understand this, but it seems odd that you so emphatically state it was a vig or an SK. Would you accept that you appear not to consider the possibility of a mafia ability there? I really don't think I'm reaching.
Bookitty wrote:But I do note your hostility right after I moved my vote to Farside.
CAPS LOCK is because I asked before and you didn't answer. *shrug* I'm not being particularly hostile, I just think it's something I'd like answered, given I haven't poked at you much in this game thus far.
Bookitty wrote:Sorry for two posts, but I somehow missed this off before: Post 110. Post 178. You're totally wrong.
Hm, yeah, I fail. I don't think you two work as a scum pair. Hrm. Dun' matter that much with the conclusion, because there's no threesome with you and her in it. Hrm. More curious about you coming up with a counterpoint to either Bookitty - Yos - Setael or you and the 'masons'.
Porochaz wrote:I love the fact as soon as suspicion comes there way they both explode in a gooey like fashion... both over reacted and both interestingly decided that suddenly bookie was a good lynch despite the fact that she has hardly been suspected AT ALL BY ANYONE!!!
Not good lynch, I don't think. I'm just trying to figure out what the heck is going on. If I thought she was a good lynch, I'd be voting for her and going HEY LET'S LYNCH BOOKITTY like I did with Setael, ya? The fact that no-one has suspected her is a fallacy; indeed, if everyone applied that argument she could do whatever she wanted with no-one suspecting her. Arguably it's more important to scrutinise people who most people don't suspect. *shrug*

We got 25 * 25 = 625 posts, we've used 361 = 264 posts left. We have 19 days under we lose -> lil' under 14 posts / day. It's not as much towards posting as it was, but I think there's still space there. I much prefer this pace, personally. Also, the rules state we can talk about anything in twilight, and we're low on time, so it might still be beneficial, as long as we don't start running out of posts, hm.
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Post Post #363 (ISO) » Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:06 pm

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No wait, I did suspect her at one point and I posted that I felt overly aware that she was "too townie" but then the argument arises Can you be too townie? and does it warrant suspision? I looked at her posts, I couldnt see anything to make a case for her.

And saying she could do whatever she wants is stupid, if she did that then she wouldnt be unsuspected for very long. Also that long post with your arguments against Setael... the one where you unvoted her and voted for Yos, yes? Ok then...

I agree with the talking in twilight. We cant waste any moment anymore. I doubt we'll run out of posts anytime soon...
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Post Post #364 (ISO) » Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:03 pm

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samruc wrote:C_D didn't answer this, please do.
Already did. Bookitty's main point is that those posts were misleading because I knew there was a SK beforehand. As a result, those posts directly weaken my claim and cause doubt. That is incorrect because my role does not state whether the daykill is town or scum. It only confirms the existence of a daykill. My role doesn't state whether I'm a one-shot; I may kill during the night after the daykill. If the daykill was one-shot, then so is my ability.
Another question for C_D: Why aren't you telling us about your other possibility to gain a night-kill? Is it something we can affect?
If I told you, it won't be fulfilled.
setael wrote:@c_d: Is there anything in your flavor that explains the kill method of scratching? I would expect a spider to bite.
Obviously, a scratch won't kill anyone unless it's poisonous. Other than that, nothing else explains the scratch.

The only clue I can find out of S&P's claim that might indicate scum is through their flavor. However, it isn't that strong. They stated that there were three rituals for blah blah blah. It contrasts with the number of members in their masonry with a 3 rituals to 2 masons. In any case, I'd expect at least a third member to make the ratio 1 to 1.

S&P+Bookitty: is an unlikley scum group. Bookitty has been poking at samruc's relation with porochaz right up to the mason claim. That's a risky move if they're all scum together.
S&P+farside: is also unlikley given that S&P could have gone with Elmo and win the game.
The rest of the combinations with them I find possible at different degrees. In otherwords, I haven't done a good read yet.
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Post Post #365 (ISO) » Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:28 pm

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Still think we should shut up for now, hopefully we can get some extension.

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I've got some info from petroleumjelly, our co-mod. He's waiting for mod powers for this thread, so nothing is official yet, but be prepared to send your role pm's to him if he asks for it.

He said he will edit in some more info (but that means the thread won't be bumped, so keep your eyes on this one anyway.)

I'm back. Computer problems have kept me away. I'll check what's been going on and if my absence has caused a delay, the final deadline will be extended.


Howdy, this is PJ. I cannot at the moment find any file with roles/alignments/nightchoices on my computer. If Ibby has not returned by Wednesday, I will ask all players to send me their role PMs and I will continue the game as best I can.

I will -- naturally -- extend the game deadline since this time being used is not at the fault of the players.


Farside22 has been lynched. She was a
Sister of the Blood, Mafia
. It is now
Night Two
. Night choices are due to me by January 29, 11:59 pm PST.
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Post Post #366 (ISO) » Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:03 pm

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It is now
Day Three
- there were no deaths last night.

With
7
alive, it takes
4
to lynch!

Day "ended" on January 12 -- the town lost 20 days of play as a consequence. I will not subtract the "4 day maximum nighttime" from this, so the town will receive 20 days back. The new game deadline is now February 21.


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Post Post #367 (ISO) » Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:26 pm

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Wow. That's really cool. We've now got 3 lynches left and probably only 2 scum left; we're in good shape. I'm pretty sure the claimed masons are not scum with farside, so I think that leaves Elmo and Sestal as the remaining scum, if I correctly remember my logic from before the day ended.
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Post Post #368 (ISO) » Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:38 pm

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Samruc wrote:I'm claiming mason (which in this game means I'm a Sister of the Blood). Porochaz is my twin, and my pm makes it perfectly clear that he (or should I say she? :)) is town.
petroleumjelly wrote:
Farside22 has been lynched. She was a
Sister of the Blood, Mafia
.
Ha ha, hi. I now really do believe you're a Sister of the Blood, ya?

There's literally no way Sammy could have come into contact with that phrase before unless he was mafia, right? It also rather ties into the killing method that killed off Fonz N1:
ibaesha wrote:
During the night The Fonz was stabbity stabbed. Right in the neck. Ick! What a bloody mess!
The Fonz, Hedgewitch, died of massive blood loss
so that adds weight to c_d being not-mafia.

The only thing that still bugs me is Antithesis's daykill killing method being the same as c_d's. If the above is true, we started with three mafia, and 3 mafia + an SK seems too much. So I don't really know, but I think it's something of a loose end at the moment.

Um, Yos. I kind of agree. But the above? Please? :P
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Post Post #369 (ISO) » Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:59 pm

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I did find this interesting... my PM does say sister of the Blood also... however ibby made it clear we were both town in our role PM... hmmm... I wonder if this is a mistake on her part or pjelly's...
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Post Post #370 (ISO) » Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:53 pm

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I'm about 50-50 with the masonry now. The role claims match up, but some things just don't make sense.
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Post Post #371 (ISO) » Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:16 am

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Oh...wow, I hadn't noticed that Elmo. That is...hrmm, very interesting.

At least we have an extra lynch now; if we have to, we could lynch one of the claimed masons, I guess, and then still win.

By the way, does anyone know why the scum didn't kill last night? They could very easily have just failed to get the kill in, but I'm having trouble thinking of any reason they would choose to not kill.
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Post Post #372 (ISO) » Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:56 am

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Elmo makes a good point. I can't see how the masons would have the same role name as the scum, but I also can't see why they would admit to it up front.

Due to Elmo's behaviour around Farside and his pushing back against her lynch even more than he was pushing against his own, I still think they're linked. But I don't think it is a bad idea to test the mason claim by lynching one of them. It's possible that Ibby's flavour involves scum and town role names being the same, but it seems awfully slanted against town, if that's the case.

I'd currently be willing for an Elmo lynch or a lynch of one of the masons. Time is of the essence. We need to reach a consensus quickly.

If both the masons are scum, then if C_D is telling the truth about his kills, that seems to indicate that there is a fourth anti-town element. If C_D made all the kills as the vig, then that objection is erased, but that would involve C_D lying as town. Four anti-town roles seems moderately unbalancing, and lends a certain amount of support to the masons being pro-town despite their claimed rolenames.

That said, what is the assumption implicit in this statement, Yosarian?
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Post Post #373 (ISO) » Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:01 am

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Bookitty wrote: That said, what is the assumption implicit in this statement, Yosarian?
Yosarian wrote:At least we have an extra lynch now; if we have to, we could lynch one of the claimed masons, I guess, and then still win.
Yeah, I never actually finished that sentance; should have said "and if they are town then we can still win" since we have an extra lynch and will then know that the other masos is pro-town. Obveously if they're both scum lynching one will also lead to a town win, heh.
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Post Post #374 (ISO) » Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:14 am

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I would not be willing to lynch one of the masons today regardless of the matching name issue - as has been pointed out, if they are mafia fake claiming, why would they give their real flavor knowing that the 3rd of their group would come up with that flavor and out them? If they are telling the truth, the mafia will have to NK them before end game. If we get closer to end game and they haven't been targeted for NKs, then I will consider voting one of them to test their claim.

vote: Elmo
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