Okay, so. Let's talk VCA.
For me, there's like 3-4 levels of VCA.
The most advanced level is basically: D3-at-earliest or so, advanced pattern mapping: looking at flips, looking at trends, looking at how and why wagons formed to find patterns in the data, and providing interpretations of them. I tend to be quite good at this, but obviously it's not something I can actually do unless I live that long and frankly, I expect to be dead long before then. (I vaguely paid attention to the playerlist when looking at this game and frankly...I don't think there's anyone here who's N1 nightkill material except for me. Now granted, half the game here hasn't played with me. But people know me by reputation even without playing with me, and those that HAVE played with me with the possible exception of Firebringer have incentive to kill me, so.)
That's what I actually do my advanced Extras for in my votecounts: to offer those tools to scumhunters should they choose to use them.
Below that, you get what's essentially: basic VCA. This is augmentation for a case. It is throwing together VCs and making predictions based off of them. These VCs tend to often extrapolate data, and can use assumptions that are not guaranteed facts. (Not so much in an open.)
Below that, you get VCA which is basically trying to make a point: "I don't like this wagon". "I do like this wagon". Pointing out on the current day phase on VCs, a wagon you like versus a wagon you don't like. "The names here are good", "the names here fucking suck". The like: situational VCA, you could call it.
Below even
that
, you get what I want to do without reading the game. Which is blind idiot guessing. Shot in the dark. Random estimation. Gut feels. Siblings Quarrel is a hydra who regardless of alignment, I can see getting early votes on them. Gut says regardless of alignment, there should be scum in there. Now I don't think it'd be Firebringer or Transcend. But Grey and Pine, both possible scum.
Off of the votes, Aristophanes would be gut town. Wouldn't be able to say on the others yet.
Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:32 pm
by Firebringer
In post 344, mastina wrote:I should be in bed (it's 2:15 AM, I get up at 6 AM for work), don't have time to read this game and even if I did I'm honestly not sure where my priority game-wise would be but: as panicked as I was to see red in my PM, I'm town.
As a result, instead of playing optimally, I get to do what I deem best.
VOTE: Pine.
Because let's face it.
Pine's going to MAGNIFICENTLY bus one scumbuddy, and then keep his other scumbuddy alive, cruising to victory off of it. He may or may not pull the white flag gambit, bussing his second scumbuddy, but he'll manage to avert their death and pull out the win from the towncred Pine will get in lynching his scumbuddy.
As for why Pine is scum...
...Well, he's always scum.
It actually is easy! You just have to fight dirty! Play cheap. Also use underhanded tricks. Plus the occasional cheat.
Helping things: preparing your votecounts and keeping them stored in a notepad file.
Another thing to do is to religiously stalk the thread if you're like 5 posts or so from a new page: those posts WILL come, you just have to find out when. I've found that half an hour is usually MORE than enough time--too much, in fact; I lost pagetops because there were more than five away from the pagetop, then while I ate lunch, people talked, so I had to settle for near the top instead.
So stay active, busy. Maybe not refreshing the page every minute--every five or so is usually fairly safe. But don't leave, whatever it takes, until you've got your pagetop!
Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:36 pm
by Firebringer
the things you comment on are interesting mastina.
does anyone else want to vote the shit out of mastina or is it just me
Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:39 pm
by mastina
And with the mod iso finished, to bed.
I'll actually read the game thread when I can.
Got a fine vote down, got a fine start down, it's game on.
Not sure when I'll get to this, maybe tomorrow, hopefully, but I SHOULD be getting to bed before the end of the night comes.
Soyeah.
sleep.
Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:39 pm
by Firebringer
In post 357, Transcend wrote:does anyone else want to vote the shit out of mastina or is it just me
i do too, but i am resisting.
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:14 am
by tojam2
In post 204, Siblings Quarrel wrote:I can't tell if all of this shit is WIFOM or just actual jokes anymore.
Maybe I should just disregard all of it.
I just get this gut feeling that there is scum saying that stuff in there.
-Ali
Assuming people posted, yes, scum probably did post between the start of the game and the time you made this post.
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:15 am
by tojam2
In post 358, mastina wrote:And with the mod iso finished, to bed.
I'll actually read the game thread when I can.
Got a fine vote down, got a fine start down, it's game on.
Not sure when I'll get to this, maybe tomorrow, hopefully, but I SHOULD be getting to bed before the end of the night comes.
Soyeah.
sleep.
Too right, I can't find the game start (this is why I hate pre-game).
but he stopped!!!!! the reason why policy lynches are scummy is cos it doesn't really help town find mafia!!!! it's just an excuse to bully people for talking different!!!! if someone is scum and pushing a policy lynch it's cos they wanna kill a townie for free!!!!! but if transy stopped, then he can't be scum who pushes a policy lynch, right?
I agree, the only time I would policy lynch is if we have a hard-core s--tposter, and they usually turn out to be scum anyway, except in the case of Transcend, who s--tposted regardless of role in both a game I modded and one I played (scum followed by town).
If this is a joke, I'll let it past, if this is serious, I'd call this scumconf.
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:21 am
by tojam2
Oh, hi Transcend
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:22 am
by Transcend
hi buddy
WANNA SHEEP ME THIS TIME as opposed to getting buttf***ed by the scumteam again
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:51 am
by Riley Cake
In post 344, mastina wrote:I should be in bed (it's 2:15 AM, I get up at 6 AM for work), don't have time to read this game and even if I did I'm honestly not sure where my priority game-wise would be but: as panicked as I was to see red in my PM, I'm town.
As a result, instead of playing optimally, I get to do what I deem best.
VOTE: Pine.
Because let's face it.
Pine's going to MAGNIFICENTLY bus one scumbuddy, and then keep his other scumbuddy alive, cruising to victory off of it. He may or may not pull the white flag gambit, bussing his second scumbuddy, but he'll manage to avert their death and pull out the win from the towncred Pine will get in lynching his scumbuddy.
As for why Pine is scum...
...Well, he's always scum.
YOU SHOULDN'T BE MAKING RVS VOTES ON PAGE 15!!!!!!!!!
