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In post 348, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:OK, I think I want to eat the NK tonight, so here's my scum team:
Thor + Maria + Espeonage

Beef + Thor doesn't make sense to me at all. However, Espeonage voting Thor does. Why? because I love to do those meta dives (much like Mathdino does) when I have he time, and in this game Espeonage tunneled his teammate relentlessly until he got him lynched. (Thor was on the other scum team, btw). Mafia won because of that particular gambit.

eh, scum espe bussing doesnt mean that espe cant be town who figured out thor

i get how you got there but its reaching

In post 290, brassherald wrote:MariaR I have seen her before, I don't get how she does reads. At the same time, I hate policy lynches and won't participate in one.

In post 290, brassherald wrote:UglyDuck has 5 posts, but I'm willing to townlean based on 192 for the time being.

@Wis ftr this presents as genuine IMO, given he's being more careful sorting a number of us + the quote you just grabbed.

Fair question and I won't WK brass here but I'm fairly comfortable with him doing his thing for now

In post 343, Wisdom wrote:

In post 339, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:It is obvious to me that Thor and Beef are main scum together.

did you mean to say "not scum together" here?

No. I meant what I said and explained it.

Main Scum = The original 2 Goons, i.e. excluding the Traitor IF the Traitor is not recruited already.
In other words, Main Scum = Those who have access to the Scum PT as of NOW. If Scum, recruited their Traitor then Thor & Beef are not scum together. If they didn't then they are not the 2 Goons who have access to the PT.

how do you feel about thor/Maria/brass instead

brass "scumreading" thor yet focusing on beef and his weird take on Maria fit what im expecting

@judge

In post 349, Wisdom wrote:Ill bite

In post 297, brassherald wrote:Wow, MariaR literally right after my catch up does something I wasn't expecting and posted a full argument. Definitely not lynching here today, now

Please expand on this and why it makes maria town

If I need to have 5 people in my town pool, this post was enough to put her above anyone else. She's actually more null, but effort to sort and to provide reasoning is there. Which is more than I can say for most others.

I was considering between Math or MariaR, and landed just slightly on MariaR, would still not lynch Math today, but he's argued for at least one policy lynch today which is anti-town in my opinion.

I know what you meant by main scum, you just missed a "not" there

@judge

i think it's a bad idea for us to get too divided on who thor's partners are or whether scum is bussing on this wagon

i'm townreading espeonage independently, pretty hard

i can see 2 wagons on scum, i've seen that happen

although you're right voteparking one player who's not getting lynched is pretty bad for a scumteam

i'm going with thor/brass right now tbh

In post 354, brassherald wrote:

In post 349, Wisdom wrote:Ill bite

In post 297, brassherald wrote:Wow, MariaR literally right after my catch up does something I wasn't expecting and posted a full argument. Definitely not lynching here today, now

Please expand on this and why it makes maria town

If I need to have 5 people in my town pool, this post was enough to put her above anyone else. She's actually more null, but effort to sort and to provide reasoning is there. Which is more than I can say for most others.

I was considering between Math or MariaR, and landed just slightly on MariaR, would still not lynch Math today, but he's argued for at least one policy lynch today which is anti-town in my opinion.

this literally did nothing to explain why that maria post made you townread her
effort and reasoning..? Scum maria cant provide those?

In post 357, Wisdom wrote:

In post 354, brassherald wrote:

In post 349, Wisdom wrote:Ill bite

In post 297, brassherald wrote:Wow, MariaR literally right after my catch up does something I wasn't expecting and posted a full argument. Definitely not lynching here today, now

Please expand on this and why it makes maria town

If I need to have 5 people in my town pool, this post was enough to put her above anyone else. She's actually more null, but effort to sort and to provide reasoning is there. Which is more than I can say for most others.

I was considering between Math or MariaR, and landed just slightly on MariaR, would still not lynch Math today, but he's argued for at least one policy lynch today which is anti-town in my opinion.

this literally did nothing to explain why that maria post made you townread her
effort and reasoning..? Scum maria cant provide those?

I guess she could, but if I'm forced to do a read list, I'd say she's more likely to abuse her meta as scum which she is not doing

though a voice in my head says that brass is likely wking town maria here

Shitpost got autocorrected to smurfpost lmao

no it didnt, thor changes shit to smurf when quoting

Damn censorship

In post 353, Wisdom wrote:how do you feel about thor/Maria/brass instead

brass "scumreading" thor yet focusing on beef and his weird take on Maria fit what im expecting

@judge

I don't remember why specifically I ruled out those specific 3, but I can see any given pairing there as scum together, so I wouldn't be opposed to the idea still.

In post 361, Wisdom wrote:no it didnt, thor changes shit to smurf when quoting

Oh that is so lame.

This is the fastest moving substantive game I've had on here. Fun!

...but also I'm not getting any work done with tight deadlines looming. Fuck.

I really don't want to TR Math because I think it's really dangerous to TR such an influential player in case I'm wrong. Also he's pushing the two people voting him. I guess I'm getting all WIFOM about whether 2 scum would be so blatant as to vote together, without town, for someone mostly town read.

But the all caps post gives me a gut read of town and genuine bash head against wall anger, especially when he's not simultaneously calling for Thor's head as much as I expected.

I am very weirded out by the fact that people haven't put Thor at -1. Or at least one of beef/thor.

go ahead and put thor at L-1 then

does it look like their reasons for voting me are good

also recall that i stated issues with both thor and beefster before they voted me sooooooOOOOOO

In post 366, Mathdino wrote:go ahead and put thor at L-1 then

Beef's the better lynch today, but, whatever.

VOTE: Thor

This might be L-1. I don't know and don't care enough to go back and count.

In post 238, Thor665 wrote:@JJD - reading your comment again and getting more of the gist I believe - the most I get is "scum can fakeclaim more securely"
Yeah...I guess?
But, then again, scum can do that if we run up a PR and they claim. And scum can (and should) be fakeclaiming regardless so...?
Basically you're pointing out that scum can fakeclaim and then acting like it's a revelation.

Just as a thought experiment to showcase why i disagree with your logic.
Why would a scum *not* fakeclaim

rolecop

if a BG didn't claim?
Because the only answer there is - fear of counterclaim/fear of having to explain lack of death at endgame.
The second exists regardless of BG claim.
The first is, at the point scum is having to claim, a benefit for scum if it happens because at least in death they out and kill a PR.

Is this a scumslip?

In post 367, brassherald wrote:

In post 366, Mathdino wrote:go ahead and put thor at L-1 then

Beef's the better lynch today, but, whatever.

VOTE: Thor

This might be L-1. I don't know and don't care enough to go back and count.

-2

This post makes me lean scum on brass

In post 366, Mathdino wrote:go ahead and put thor at L-1 then

does it look like their reasons for voting me are good

also recall that i stated issues with both thor and beefster before they voted me sooooooOOOOOO

Beef's reason was certainly completely stupid. I can't even quite decipher Thor.

In post 368, Nauci wrote:Is this a scumslip?

comedy gold

In post 369, the worst wrote:

In post 368, Nauci wrote:Is this a scumslip?

comedy gold

The answer is always no with the exception of
1. Trying and failing to self hammer as scum
2. PoEing yourself out of possible scumreads in endgame

On d1 the answer is always no

I wanted to hammer somebody today but I'm going back to fever sleep so I don't want to -1 and potentially miss some exciting shenanigans. Oddly enough upon a reread I was starting to lean more null for Thor until I realized he said rolecop instead of gooncop. The worst, I'm not entirely sure what you mean. I'm a newb on this sort of thing. Can you elaborate?

I think the people I currently read as towny are, in no particular order and without too much strength of conviction, JJD, TW, Math, JMO. I had Brass on this list until just now, but now I have a hunch he's the traitor. When I post about the reluctance to finish off Thor, I was expecting commentary on the fact that it's been a difficult wagon to run up even though he's pretty broadly scum read. But instead, we got one of those reluctant votes that simultaneously tries to look town by being willing to vote, and dodges responsibility and conviction in the decision. Coupled with the fact that he fell into the trap of discussing agreement/disagreement with BG claim versus the meta around that discussion...

VOTE: Espeonage though

zzz

Err oops i thought those were both TW posts.

Math can you elaborate?

@Nauci - I'd sill like you to explain the strawman you called me on.
You're also scum casing me massively for someone not willing to vote me, what's up with that?

@Math - you legit don't think a scumbuddy would be bussing me at this stage? I'll generically agree that's poor scum play, but at the same time your case on me has me doing atrocious scum play, so why not expect the same from my buddy?

@Wisdom - why are you acting so confident in your read on me? I am unaware of any particular accuracy in you reading me. Can you describe how scumThor differs from townThor and show how I'm doing that here? Or are you going to run and hide when asked to explain things again (yet somehow get people to townread you, which makes me weep for the current meta)?

In post 373, Thor665 wrote:@Math - you legit don't think a scumbuddy would be bussing me at this stage? I'll generically agree that's poor scum play, but at the same time your case on me has me doing atrocious scum play, so why not expect the same from my buddy?

This is horrible levels of WIFOM and I'm not participating in this

I have no incentive to answer your self-defense-deflected-onto-Mathdino questions tbh