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Post Post #350 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:32 am

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In post 346, Irrelephant11 wrote:WTF Teacher?? I had made it so clear that you are my next highest scumread, and now you're trying to form a town block around me, as long as it's not on you? Is this a last-ditch effort to move a bunch of votes off your scum partner James? Is this an attempt to absolve yourself of responsibility when JB flips town? Is this so insane it can't come from scum? Idk what to do with this (even if I like the other two players you're adding to the block). You also keep referencing how most of the board town-reads me, which I'm not totally sure is true? Without doing a search for every player's most recent reads, I can name Thor and Meji as two players who null read me, at best. I dunno, this is just so ocnfusing coming from you.
  • As I have said repeatedly, I get why most people sus'd me, all the more now that I know the site's meta. So I dont hold that against you.
  • You are right that Thor and Meji have nulled you. But literally everyone else has towned you. (Oxy ; Flicker ; me ; Nauci , ; NK by inference from )
  • Again, I can detail my personal town-case on you if desired, but its almost a lock for me. I like the block tactic in general as I find it greatly helps town. So I organize it around someone I think the board can accept.
  • Im not trying to get you off James - see . Im just trying to provide my own reads - not disowning resposnibility. And I accept my share of responsibility IF he flips town.
  • I do think, and hope, it shows non-scum on my part because (1) I dont think scum tries to organize a block in general, (2) particularly around someone who scums them. But you can WIFOM this as you wish
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Post Post #351 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:34 am

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the hammer is in. Good luck everyone tonight.
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Post Post #352 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:40 am

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In the twilight hours, I suggest my inferences from the weekend/today's play. I leave it to the board to read into my own conduct.
If James flips SCUM: I find Flicker's unvote questionable. I wonder about Oxy's half-hearted attempt to start other wagons. And I have questions about the early Nauci love affair.
If James flips Village: Likely at least one scum was on the wagon. I particularly wonder about NK's role in the wagon and the case. Strengthens Flicker and Oxy townread. Thor is more sus, but I still cannot read him if you paid me.
Regardless of flip: Nauci and Meji stayed on vanity wagons throughout the late activity.
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Post Post #353 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:44 am

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If this flips scum, lynch, in this order: Flicker, Nauci, NK15, Thor
If this flips town, lynch, in this order: Meji, NK15, Flicker, Nauci
Never lynch elephant, teacher
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Post Post #354 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:53 am

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In post 353, Oxy wrote:If this flips town, lynch, in this order: Meji
Please explain?

Others, I think twilight reads based on hypo scum!James and town!James are helpful. Please to provide?
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Post Post #355 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:55 am

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yeah, that "I think he's town but im not going to lift a finger to stop it" is scum more often than not.
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Post Post #356 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:20 am

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Oh, weird, not used to twilight being a thing.

Scum JB makes me suspicious of everyone who expressed hesitance at one point or another: Flicker, Nauci, Meji, Teacher, not sure about the order

I'm suspicious of Meji either way, honestly. Agreed that town JB makes Meji
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suspicious, though, for reasons already given.

Town JB also makes me think there's probably at least one scum voting for him, except in the specific case that scum is both Meji and Nauci.

Gonna need to really re-explore Teacher. So confused about him end of day.
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Post Post #357 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:21 am

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In post 353, Oxy wrote:If this flips scum, lynch, in this order: Flicker, Nauci, NK15, Thor
If this flips town, lynch, in this order: Meji, NK15, Flicker, Nauci
Never lynch elephant, teacher
How do I look questionable if James flips scum but not if he flips town?
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Post Post #358 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:25 am

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In post 357, Thor665 wrote:
In post 353, Oxy wrote:If this flips scum, lynch, in this order: Flicker, Nauci, NK15, Thor
If this flips town, lynch, in this order: Meji, NK15, Flicker, Nauci
Never lynch elephant, teacher
How do I look questionable if James flips scum but not if he flips town?
You're my fourth lynch suggestion in one world, and you missed the cut for my lynch suggestion in the other.

I think it's pretty obvious that I'm town leaning you, but not enough to say "never lynch this."

and it's more that I think Meji looks less scummy in a world where James flips town.
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Post Post #359 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:25 am

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Well that's nice. Whatever, I'm too busy for long wall posts with NK15 anyways. I'm exactly who I say I am, so HA, NK, you screwed up! No PR here! :)
Town is going to get itself killed at this rate. NK is for sure scum, I'm not sure how anyone else can't see it. But it will come out at the end of the day.

Null-reading flicker, thor, Meji,
Town reading Elephant, Nauci, Oxy. I think that his hammer war probably justified from a town standpoint.
Scumreading Teach, NK. I'm not satisfied with Teacher's responses at all, and I think I've made it pretty obvious that NK looked scummy.

The NK tonight will be between Oxy, Nauci, and Thor.

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Post Post #360 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:26 am

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In post 358, Oxy wrote:and it's more that I think Meji looks less scummy in a world where James flips
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Post Post #361 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:27 am

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fun playing with you james.
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Post Post #362 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:30 am

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Votecount 1.FinalImage

James Brafin (5)

teacher (1)
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Nauci (1)
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Not Known 15 (1)
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Not Voting (1)
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Day one deadline is Wednesday April 25th, 9 PM PST. (expired on 2018-04-25 21:00:00)


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SR: I want to give him a day
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Post Post #363 (ISO) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:31 am

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James Brafin was lynched. He was

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Vanilla Townie


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Post Post #364 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:14 am

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Image

You wake to find that No One was killed. He was

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Post Post #365 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:36 am

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For those thinking Meji is scum because James was town, note I leaned James was town back in post 152 which was before James hot really popular
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Post Post #366 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:37 am

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From yesterday's end, I have 1. NK, 2. Nauci/Meji (order intentional), and 4. Flicker as suspects. I will sheep Elephant. VOTE: Not Known.
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Post Post #367 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:39 am

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@Nauci - can we get an explanation of AFK from Friday through Monday after heavy activity?
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Post Post #368 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:47 am

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First, from twilight:

NK15 - So I should have stayed on the wagon, even though I thought it was a mislynch? I mean, I don't want to help scum power role hunt, but I also don't want to lynch a townie. I also posted the unvote from my phone, when I should have been sleeping, because I didn't want to wake up to a hammer and night 1. I think doing so gave us a little more time with James, and forced other people to vote in a way that can now be analyzed.

(I regret I didn't get this comment in
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twilight, but I thought I'd have enough time to take care of something quickly, and when I came back it was night.)

For today, I re-read all but the last two pages of the thread (I wanted to read it all, but procrastinated), and one thing that jumped out at me is this:

Thor ignored Elephant's IC question about site voting meta in post #80, while responding to a lot of the post it was in (post #88). I don't see how scum!IC benefits from withholding this meta advice, but I don't think town!IC would ignore it, either. I suppose it's possible he missed the question altogether, but it seems unlikely.

@Thor - care to explain?
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Post Post #369 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:09 am

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Finally, night (no)kill analysis: I dont see a way mafia no kills N-1 unless all the common suspects are way off. Since I find that implausible, I believe we have a doctor. If so, and if (s)he outs, (s)he guarantees his/her death tonight but provides almost game-locking info. Put another way, I am wondering about the following:
  • Doctor claim tomorrow through Friday WITHOUT IDENTIFYING SAVE, to see if there are any counterclaims. If cc, narrowed suspect range to two, and other pr does not identify. Even mislynch guarantees scum identified, so at worst game is 4:1 at end of day 3 and most outcomes are likely better than that.
  • If no cc, doc slot is lock town. On Friday-Sunday, other power role claim still WITHOUT DOCTOR IDENTIFYING SAVE. If cc -- two suspects for the day's lynch. IF a claimaint was saved by doc, scum identified. Even if not, doc can lock-town two spots by identifying save, and any mislynch identifies scum. Again, puts town at worst 4:1 at end of day 3, with two town spots locked.
  • If, on Sunday, both prs are identified without ccs, we have two spots lock town, and likely 3 (if doctor save not other pr role). D2 mislynch among the remaining 5-6 slots puts town at worst at 5:2 at start of day 3, with at least two and more likely 3 confirmed towns, and one night of work by the cop/tracker/neapolitan).
This probably appears scummy, as it hunts for PR identification. But I dont see how this system doesnt make the game lock town. Its a genuine question whether we should follow it. Show me the flaws (and dont anyone claim until tomorrow/the lack of flaws is confirmed). Definitely want Thor to comment in his IC role.
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Post Post #370 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:11 am

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In post 369, teacher wrote:Finally, night (no)kill analysis: I dont see a way mafia no kills N-1 unless all the common suspects are way off. Since I find that implausible, I believe we have a doctor. If so, and if (s)he outs, (s)he guarantees his/her death tonight but provides almost game-locking info. Put another way, I am wondering about the following:
  • Doctor claim tomorrow through Friday WITHOUT IDENTIFYING SAVE, to see if there are any counterclaims. If cc, narrowed suspect range to two, and other pr does not identify. Even mislynch guarantees scum identified, so at worst game is 4:1 at end of day 3 and most outcomes are likely better than that.
  • If no cc, doc slot is lock town. On Friday-Sunday, other power role claim still WITHOUT DOCTOR IDENTIFYING SAVE. If cc -- two suspects for the day's lynch. IF a claimaint was saved by doc, scum identified. Even if not, doc can lock-town two spots by identifying save, and any mislynch identifies scum. Again, puts town at worst 4:1 at end of day 3, with two town spots locked.
  • If, on Sunday, both prs are identified without ccs, we have two spots lock town, and likely 3 (if doctor save not other pr role). D2 mislynch among the remaining 5-6 slots puts town at worst at 5:2 at start of day 3, with at least two and more likely 3 confirmed towns, and one night of work by the cop/tracker/neapolitan).
This probably appears scummy, as it hunts for PR identification. But I dont see how this system doesnt make the game lock town. Its a genuine question whether we should follow it. Show me the flaws (and dont anyone claim until tomorrow/the lack of flaws is confirmed). Definitely want Thor to comment in his IC role.
I think we should make a massclaim. Why do you think we have a doctor? The missing Night Kill?
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Post Post #371 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:12 am

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Hey guys,

Sorry I should have declared V/LA. I didn't expect that opioid withdrawal (I got better enough to stop taking painkillers) would be so completely debilitating. I was puking and sleeping and puking and sleeping and I kept being optimistic that I'd be able to come back and post but I wasn't even close to functional until last night. Today's my first day back at work though and I have 2 weeks of work to catch up on, so I won't be able to really post until my lunch break.

Quick takes: woah I actually didn't expect JB to get lynched. Also, no night kill!? That seems really good.
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Post Post #372 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:13 am

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Idk about mass claiming.

Maybe tracker/not tracker claims, and/or hypothetical claims after? I have to think on this.
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Post Post #373 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:14 am

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I think we should all claim Doctor or Not a Doctor first.
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Post Post #374 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:17 am

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Teacher, unvote until we had a massclaim please.
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