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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:06 am
by Alisae
In post 275, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Okay so, went climbing yesterday, I'm tired and sore, but Xof has major scum equity this game so I was taking an eye on her entrance and it's not impressive. It sounds like Xof, but almost like the viewpoint wasn't generated by her.

Kind of like the viewpoint was generated by committee with some help from an evil tree, actually.

Also it's super non-committal, which isn't EXACTLY outside town!Xof's range to open into this game, but it's certainly just on the edge of it, where as it lands SPECIFICALLY in the range for scum!Xof's game, abusing (as she should) her status as newly returning to mafia as a weapon to evade a lot of criticism.

The post is just not good. Tonally, it reeks of sidelining, and is phrased in a way that leaves just enough opportunity open to be corrected or deflected if needed.

Look at the following statements:

"I'm not saying she's scummy, just something about the tone is registering strangely to me."
"I don't think just Pine will use it that way, but everybody honestly could."
"I realize this really isn't all that much of real substance or anything, but this is what I'm thinking so far,"

there's more of this word optimization in there as well, but these are the clear examples where Xof espouses an opinion and then, to ensure that she isn't seen to be pushing an agenda too hard, she dilutes the opinion with a defensive statement of uncertainty.

Given Xof is mainly a survivor player, I can tell you with decent certainty that if a survivor player started talking like this, it's because they have an agenda and don't wanna be caught pushing it too hard. It's a
disarming
tactic, to get people to feel less concerned.

And I think it means she's pretty easily scum here. Pine has equity to pick her, plain and simple, because her renewal into Mafia makes her an unappetizing target to lynch early on and buys her time. Her post was not just weak, but weak with an agenda which makes me feel very nauseated towards it, and her tonality matches that of someone with something to hide.

My question is if people will have the guts to lynch her Day 1 or nah. Y'all gonna feel bad for her, or y'all wanna win this fucking game son?

Vote:Xof
YOU WILL LEAVE MY XOLELF ALONE D;

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:11 am
by jjh927
Yo Ali are you down for deciding on people who are allowed to request fruit from Pine?

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:15 am
by Alisae
XOLELF VOTES
BAD
STOP

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:15 am
by Alisae
In post 351, jjh927 wrote:Yo Ali are you down for deciding on people who are allowed to request fruit from Pine?
let me think on it my dude

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:18 am
by Alisae
In post 330, mastina wrote:BTW debated on whether or not to actually claim this, but ehhhhh, fuckit, I'll take the risk.
I'm a bulletproof vigilante with a "masonry" (read: neighborhood) with Pine.
Decided to claim because neighbor with confscum, Vig I won't use, and Pine probably already guessed the bp part, so.
you use the vig on who I tell you to

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:19 am
by jjh927
We need some way of determining it, and informally voting will inevitably lead to chaos

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:20 am
by Alisae
Thats actually not a question mastina
If i have a vig thats claiming its 100% getting leashed

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:20 am
by jjh927
Also
think I'll go back to

VOTE: Krazy

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:21 am
by Alisae
Thats a superb vote my dude
Move it to firebringer

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:27 am
by Alisae
I need the masons to help me decide on if who, if anyone, is going to be allowed to ask for fruit. I am thinking of letting it be chaos for a few days because who goes for it will be interesting but don’t consider this official.

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:28 am
by jjh927
I don't want to

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:29 am
by jjh927
Chaos is a bad idea

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:30 am
by Alisae
I really want to lynch fire, not xolelf now.
The more I see Fire post the more I don’t really mind votes on him.

Pedit: Get over it Fire needs to die

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:33 am
by Alisae
Also really not understanding the Krazy vote my dude.
Plenty of other active people to vote who are playing but parking on Krazy seems kinda????

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:35 am
by Alisae
If you don’t want to vote Fire I can also do za waursto

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:42 am
by Pine
In post 345, jjh927 wrote:Pine can either go for who Ali suggests or choke on the stockpile of fruit he can't give out
I’d love for you to adopt this strategy, thanks!

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:46 am
by jjh927
Yes and that is why you have been giving us information to try to indicate that we can't leash this mechanic

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:47 am
by jjh927
I'd rather do Fire than tw

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:48 am
by Alisae
In post 367, jjh927 wrote:I'd rather do Fire than tw
I see c:

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:50 am
by Pine
In post 366, jjh927 wrote:Yes and that is why you have been giving us information to try to indicate that we can't leash this mechanic
Truth: this mechanic is designed to resist leashing

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:51 am
by jjh927
Yeah well we're better at leashing than you are at designing anti-leashing mechanics

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:52 am
by Alisae
In post 369, Pine wrote:
In post 366, jjh927 wrote:Yes and that is why you have been giving us information to try to indicate that we can't leash this mechanic
Truth: this mechanic is designed to resist leashing
oh I’m sure I can outplay you

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:54 am
by popsofctown
Having a single player ask for it then having Pine be able wifom on granting that player the fruit or throwing it away still qualifies as "leash resistant".

Pine is trying to scare us into thinking it's even more leash resistant than that, but this game went into the queue saying the only bastard mechanic was team selection, so there's little perceptible way it can be.

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:15 pm
by Chickadee
Chaos Chaos! Embrace the chaos!

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:16 pm
by Alisae
I will embrace
the chickadee