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[Menalque]

and I mean answer them now, if you disappear and come back in 2 hours with a detailed and thought out answer you're scum claiming

[Menalque]

so if your logic is walrus!probscum and therefore Elmo is +scum equity, why is Elmo still in your top town tier as of 344?

[72offsuit]

Ye, hate these arrogant plays.
Doesn't help town.
VOTE: Menal

Crap reads list too

What about me being arrogant makes me scum

Why is my readslist crap

also, answer these

Being arrogant doesnt make you scum. I was interested to see reactions to my bandwagon vote on you.

Your reads list is scrap because you have me as scum down the bottom. Enough said.

[Menalque]

clidd, current take on 72 when you get here

[72offsuit]

and I mean answer them now, if you disappear and come back in 2 hours with a detailed and thought out answer you're scum claiming

lol?

[Menalque]

so then why include that comment as you were voting me, seeing as the implication was that a part of your vote on me was a distaste for my "arrogant" play

what are your conclusions from the reactions to your bandwagon vote on me then?

why would having town!you at the bottom of my reads list make it crap? what do you think of the rest of it?

[72offsuit]

so if your logic is walrus!probscum and therefore Elmo is +scum equity, why is Elmo still in your top town tier as of 344?

Its a slight town-lean. Off 1 post. Independently I think Walrus is scum (35% chance) and Elmo is town (80% chance) at this stage.
The bus vibe is like 10% confidence.

[Menalque]

how are you coming up with those percentage numbers?

[72offsuit]

how are you coming up with those percentage numbers?

Chance of random other player being scum is 2/8 = 25%. Based on my read on Walrus, his scum-stock goes up to 35%.

Chance of random other player being town is 6/8 = 75%. Based on my read on elmo, her town-stock goes up to 80%.

[Menalque]

okay, what about everything in 355

[72offsuit]

so then why include that comment as you were voting me, seeing as the implication was that a part of your vote on me was a distaste for my "arrogant" play

what are your conclusions from the reactions to your bandwagon vote on me then?

why would having town!you at the bottom of my reads list make it crap? what do you think of the rest of it?

1) Your reaction gave me townie vibes.
Nobody else gave a shit.

Only thing of note was Atarashi posting a reads list following my vote.
Ata gave me a slight town-vibe in earlier posts of the day, just the tone, moreso than content, but forgetting me in the reads list just felt weird, especially after I had just voted for you.

Almost as though !scum-Ata (the scenario whereby Ata rolled scum alignment), was wondering which category it would be convenient for them to lump me in with. And then im just lumped into the null section. Just seems odd to null read someone who has just voted someone.

2) Rest of your reads list is actually pretty reasonable. Disagree with Atarashi as a top tier town read, for reasons stated above.

[72offsuit]

okay, what about everything in 355

Wow your impatient.

[72offsuit]

ebwop: you're* - before the grammar nazis get me

[72offsuit]

I''ts 1:42 am here.
So last call. You have 5 minutes.

[Menalque]

nah, go sleep, you're good for now, I need to sort other people

[72offsuit]

nah, go sleep, you're good for now, I need to sort other people

I should hope so.

[72offsuit]

And I take back, you aren;t that arrogant. So apologies. I must've been in a shitty mood. If you played the same way every time mafia would get boring. So I don;t mind your play all that much to be honest.

[72offsuit]

Now I''m just rambling. Time to sleep. G'nite

[Iconeum]

Sophie

If imscum then i am fakeclaiming

The absolute Optimal play for town power IS to counterclaim and lynh me

The trade IS in town benefit because the town power can effectivelu catch scum this way

[Iconeum]

Sofie should be dobie

[Iconeum]

In other words, im proveable town

So do you still scumread me of no?

[Doobietime]

@Doobie:
If you thought it was a stupid point, why bring it up?

Because Iconeum's SE status leads me to believe they wouldn't give away their alignment in their first post, but if Ico turns out to be scum, that's exactly what happened. Stupid, because it would be an absolutely horrendous poor play, but still doesn't make what I said incomprehensible.

Sophie

If imscum then i am fakeclaiming

The absolute Optimal play for town power IS to counterclaim and lynh me

The trade IS in town benefit because the town power can effectivelu catch scum this way

I don't understand how you're proven town? I don't know how anything can be proven with not one single action having been taken.

Don't masons have to be extra careful? I mean, it's only a PR until one gets lynched or NK- I'm assuming they can't communicate in a PT after that? Aren't you guaranteed to be killed N1 at the latest after hardclaiming, so the scum can eliminate towns only advantage in a Mason game setup?

[Menalque]

It’s basically confirmed because (1) scum would never fakeclaim my mason claim bc they’d be guaranteed to be lynched either today or tomorrow, so it only makes sense for icon to hard CC if he knows I’m not a mason — the only way he could know that is if if he’s a town PR or scum BUT if he’s scum and he CCs then if I stick to my claim and he sticks to his, eventually the real town power role outs and he dies

(2) scum fakeclaiming mason is the worst possible claim because your security as a mason is having your partner reveal as well. The only options then are that the two players are masons, or they’re both scum. If they’re both scum, it’s insanely high risk, and in fact probably losing on D1, because as soon as one of the team dies and is revealed as scum, it confirms the person who said they were masons with them as scum too

So like there are possible universes where icon is scum but they’re so remote they don’t really bear thinking sbout

[Iconeum]

@Doobie:
If you thought it was a stupid point, why bring it up?

Because Iconeum's SE status leads me to believe they wouldn't give away their alignment in their first post, but if Ico turns out to be scum, that's exactly what happened. Stupid, because it would be an absolutely horrendous poor play, but still doesn't make what I said incomprehensible.

Sophie

If imscum then i am fakeclaiming

The absolute Optimal play for town power IS to counterclaim and lynh me

The trade IS in town benefit because the town power can effectivelu catch scum this way

I don't understand how you're proven town? I don't know how anything can be proven with not one single action having been taken.

Don't masons have to be extra careful? I mean, it's only a PR until one gets lynched or NK- I'm assuming they can't communicate in a PT after that? Aren't you guaranteed to be killed N1 at the latest after hardclaiming, so the scum can eliminate towns only advantage in a Mason game setup?

If this is how you scumread me, how re u townreading menal?

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