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Post Post #350 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:29 am

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Actually, same question for pinkball
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Post Post #351 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:32 am

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In post 345, Pink Ball wrote:Guy above me is probably scum too
This was my thought Day 1, but I did not have a chance to explore it fully. I am currently still of this thought.
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Post Post #352 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:32 am

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In post 349, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:
In post 348, SirCakez wrote:TL is flailing scum
Why couldn't he be watcher like he claimed?
Because he claimed watching CSF and CSF was roleblocked
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Post Post #353 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:35 am

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In post 352, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 349, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:
In post 348, SirCakez wrote:TL is flailing scum
Why couldn't he be watcher like he claimed?
Because he claimed watching CSF and CSF was roleblocked
Apologies, but he claimed to have watched Yshtola Rhul and saw Cat Scratch Fever visiting her.
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Post Post #354 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:43 am

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Ok I'm fairly convinced that pinkball and suki are both town
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Post Post #355 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:43 am

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I'm also fairly confident that espresso is town

UT I still think is scum
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Post Post #356 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:45 am

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VOTE: untrod tripod
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Post Post #357 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:58 am

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In post 353, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 352, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 349, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:
In post 348, SirCakez wrote:TL is flailing scum
Why couldn't he be watcher like he claimed?
Because he claimed watching CSF and CSF was roleblocked
Apologies, but he claimed to have watched Yshtola Rhul and saw Cat Scratch Fever visiting her.
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Post Post #358 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:08 am

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In post 357, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 353, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 352, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 349, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:
In post 348, SirCakez wrote:TL is flailing scum
Why couldn't he be watcher like he claimed?
Because he claimed watching CSF and CSF was roleblocked
Apologies, but he claimed to have watched Yshtola Rhul and saw Cat Scratch Fever visiting her.
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I do not believe it an equivalent statement, which is why I wanted to clarify it. If TemporalLich watched Cat Scratch Fever, your roleblock would not have an effect on his action as players could still target Cat Scratch Fever and he would have seen the players that targeted Cat Scratch Fever instead of the other way around.
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Post Post #359 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:08 am

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In post 354, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:Ok I'm fairly convinced that pinkball and suki are both town
Why do you believe this?
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Post Post #360 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:09 am

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In post 356, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:VOTE: untrod tripod
There is very necessarily one Mafia member between TemporalLich and Cat Scratch Fever. Why are you voting outside of this currently?
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Post Post #361 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:11 am

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Yeah yeah I was talking like TL followed CSF, brain fart
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Post Post #362 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:12 am

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More convinced about you than pinkball tbh but you have a healthy amount of suspicion which in my experience is a very town way to be...its actually how I am as well. It's much harder for me as town to pinpoint town so there is always an uncertainty in my reads.
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Post Post #363 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:13 am

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VOTE: TL
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Post Post #364 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:14 am

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In post 360, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 356, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:VOTE: untrod tripod
There is very necessarily one Mafia member between TemporalLich and Cat Scratch Fever. Why are you voting outside of this currently?
Explain to me again why this MUST be so. Is there no scenario in which they can both be town?
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Post Post #365 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:21 am

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In post 364, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:
In post 360, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 356, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:VOTE: untrod tripod
There is very necessarily one Mafia member between TemporalLich and Cat Scratch Fever. Why are you voting outside of this currently?
Explain to me again why this MUST be so. Is there no scenario in which they can both be town?
TemporalLich watched Ysthola Rhul who died last night. He states that he saw Cat Scratch Fever visit, and does not state that he saw anyone else visit. This implies that Cat Scratch Fever is the only player to have visited Yshtola Rhul the night she died. So:
  1. TemporalLich is telling the truth. This means that Cat Scratch Fever must have killed Yshtola Rhul. There was no reason for a Town-aligned role to target Yshtola Rhul with a kill last night as opposed to a player such as Titus, which Untrod Tripod has stated he killed. This, of course, does not mean Untrod Tripod is necessarily Town, but it is enough that he is not the focus for today.
  2. TemporalLich is lying. As Town, TemporalLich has no reason to lie. So, if he is lying he must be Mafia (or non-Town aligned).
    • Pink Ball claims to have roleblocked Cat Scratch Fever last night which means either Cat Scratch Fever is a Strongman-role and #1 above is true or Cat Scratch Fever is not a Strongman-role and #2 is true
Either way, it does not make sense to lynch outside of TemporalLich and Cat Scratch Fever. Given TemporalLich's failure to claim his guilty until I prompted him on who he watched (which I believe he took as an implication that he believed me to have a result of some sort on him), and his behavior since then, I believe he is the best initial option.
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Post Post #366 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:22 am

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I do have one more reason that I believe that it is TemporalLich, but I do not wish to discuss that further at this time.
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Post Post #367 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:24 am

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have you considered that perhaps GOC is trying super hard to prevent a lynch on her buddy for reasons that are unclear at this time

or that she's dumb

either way I don't know much you explaining something that literally everyone else has somehow managed to absorb is going to make a difference
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Post Post #368 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:25 am

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In post 366, Sujimichi wrote:I do have one more reason that I believe that it is TemporalLich, but I do not wish to discuss that further at this time.
believing Pink Ball makes the most sense because... like why out your role as scum here unless you're positive it helps you lynch other scum?
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Post Post #369 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:31 am

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In post 367, Untrod Tripod wrote:have you considered that perhaps GOC is trying super hard to prevent a lynch on her buddy for reasons that are unclear at this time

or that she's dumb

either way I don't know much you explaining something that literally everyone else has somehow managed to absorb is going to make a difference
I have considered the first option, but it does not hurt the game to have the explanation written out, and I was asked.
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Post Post #370 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:35 am

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fair it's just that it's galaxy brain stuff she's saying

"ah... yes there is information role dissonance here. I will ignore it to push someone who isn't at all going to get lynched because what if they're all town somehow???????"

my other thought is that for some reason she wants to stay off the lynch because she's afraid of being seen as bussing? I've seen newer players have a phobia of ever voting their partner even if it makes them look bad. could be what's happening here.
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Post Post #371 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:42 am

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In post 365, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 364, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:
In post 360, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 356, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:VOTE: untrod tripod
There is very necessarily one Mafia member between TemporalLich and Cat Scratch Fever. Why are you voting outside of this currently?
Explain to me again why this MUST be so. Is there no scenario in which they can both be town?
TemporalLich watched Ysthola Rhul who died last night. He states that he saw Cat Scratch Fever visit, and does not state that he saw anyone else visit. This implies that Cat Scratch Fever is the only player to have visited Yshtola Rhul the night she died. So:
  1. TemporalLich is telling the truth. This means that Cat Scratch Fever must have killed Yshtola Rhul. There was
    no reason for a Town-aligned role to target Yshtola
    Rhul with a kill last night as opposed to a player such as Titus, which Untrod Tripod has stated he killed. This, of course, does not mean Untrod Tripod is necessarily Town, but it is enough that he is not the focus for today.
  2. TemporalLich is lying. As Town, TemporalLich has no reason to lie. So, if he is lying he must be Mafia (or non-Town aligned).
    • Pink Ball claims to have roleblocked Cat Scratch Fever last night which means either Cat Scratch Fever is a Strongman-role and #1 above is true or Cat Scratch Fever is not a Strongman-role and #2 is true
Either way, it does not make sense to lynch outside of TemporalLich and Cat Scratch Fever. Given TemporalLich's failure to claim his guilty until I prompted him on who he watched (which I believe he took as an implication that he believed me to have a result of some sort on him), and his behavior since then, I believe he is the best initial option.
I'm still not convinced that a non-town role was the only role that could have targeted YR. Didn't he have votes on him yesterday?

The reason that I am targeting outside of those two is because of the wifom and chaos that is going on in the thread which is only benefitting mafia
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Post Post #372 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:43 am

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The best thing for us to do as town, especially in a role madness game like this is to keep an open mind and try and think of ALL of the possibilities
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Post Post #373 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:49 am

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In post 372, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:The best thing for us to do as town, especially in a role madness game like this is to keep an open mind and try and think of ALL of the possibilities
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Post Post #374 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:35 am

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People who know me knows that I'm telling the truth 'cause my scumgame is superb and claiming in my third post is not giving myself space to develop as a whole.

As Suji says, you either think TL lied (which is the most likely scenario) or that CSF is a strongman who was roleblocked AND caught targeting one of the dead town. Too much going on in that alternative; go for the easy one and vote TL.
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