Guns & Roses IV [Game Over]

eyestott · Post Post #350 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:20 pm

In post 345, chkflip wrote:eyestort, they are both similar but also vastly different. Both net a modicum of information that is arguably useful but also not very useful; however, both are bad because mass claiming is bad and you should feel bad for letting it snowball to this. I hope this helps.

Still, does it help you sort Kneye?

chkflip · Post Post #351 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:23 pm

No, because too many times I've seen both alignments make bad arguments to mass claim. Spoiler alert they're all fucking terrible.

In post 346, Knightmare491 wrote:okay boomer

Knightmare491 · Post Post #352 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:29 pm

@chkflip, tell me what's bad with it.

ISO · Post Post #353 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:31 pm

Multiple people have already explained what's bad with it.

Firebringer · Post Post #354 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:34 pm

I think mass claim is fine given how few guns we have and how many roses there are. Just don't claim night.

Its really fine. 3 ICs is good.

Knightmare491 · Post Post #355 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:40 pm

Okay I'll break it down for you:-

Only one of these four of these things can happen,

1. Scum claim to have no guns.... Result - we get 3 ICs, aka increased chance to lynch scum, 3/11 instead of 3/14 + vigs don't shoot each other and have a higher chance of shooting scum, 3/10, if we lynch town day 1 and 2/10 if we lynch scum day 1.

2. One of the scum claims to have a gun.... Result - we get a lynchpool of 4, 25% chance to hit scum, vigs shoot within this pool. Guaranteed to lynch scum by day 2/3.

3. 2 scums claim to have a gun.....Result- we get a lynchpool of 5, 40% chance to hit scum, vigs shoot within this pool to reduce the pool further. Guaranteed to lynch scum by day 2/3.

4. All 3 scums claim to have a gun. Result - we get a lynchpool of 6, 50% chance to hit scum, vigs shoot within this pool to reduce the pool further. Guaranteed to lynch scum by day 2/3.

Firebringer · Post Post #356 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:45 pm

In post 355, Knightmare491 wrote:2. One of the scum claims to have a gun.... Result - we get a lynchpool of 4, 25% chance to hit scum, vigs shoot within this pool. Guaranteed to lynch scum by day 2/3.

btw mathematically this is scums best bet if we did a mass claim. So almost assuredly this is the end result.

This still improves towns chances though since they have to sacrifice one of their own to get slaughtered. But it still increases town win chances.

eyestott · Post Post #357 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:48 pm

except we dont know how many guns scum have!
what if they all claim rose, and manage to NK all three guns in night 1?

Firebringer · Post Post #358 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:50 pm

In post 357, eyestott wrote:except we dont know how many guns scum have!
what if they all claim rose, and manage to NK all three guns in night 1?

they aren't all picking N1 gun.
ive plyed this setup like twice.

even in that situation they need to kill roses for their win con.

Knightmare491 · Post Post #359 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:51 pm

So you're saying that in pre game chat, mafia decided that all three of them are gonna choose a night one gun, given the fact that many townies will probably choose a night 1 rose?

Knightmare491 · Post Post #360 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:52 pm

VOTE: eyetott

That's not a town mindset, it's scum trying to scare town.

eyestott · Post Post #361 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:53 pm

They do also get a factional kill, but good point.

Firebringer · Post Post #362 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:53 pm

In post 361, eyestott wrote:They do also get a factional kill, but good point.

i don't think they can multitask and shoot 4 players in a night.

ISO · Post Post #363 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:54 pm

They can.

ISO · Post Post #364 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:54 pm

In post 358, Firebringer wrote:
In post 357, eyestott wrote:except we dont know how many guns scum have!
what if they all claim rose, and manage to NK all three guns in night 1?
they aren't all picking N1 gun.
ive plyed this setup like twice.

even in that situation they need to kill roses for their win con.

? Don’t normal majority conditions still apply?

eyestott · Post Post #365 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:54 pm

Why can no one spell my name right? It's not that complicated

p-edit: They'd only need to kill 3, wouldn't they?

Firebringer · Post Post #366 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:55 pm

In post 363, Something_Smart wrote:They can.

i don't believe u.

Knightmare491 · Post Post #367 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:56 pm

In post 362, Firebringer wrote:
In post 361, eyestott wrote:They do also get a factional kill, but good point.
i don't think they can multitask and shoot 4 players in a night.

I asked the mod yesterday, they can.

ISO · Post Post #368 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:56 pm

Sorry etytteost.

Firebringer · Post Post #369 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:56 pm

In post 367, Knightmare491 wrote:
In post 362, Firebringer wrote:
In post 361, eyestott wrote:They do also get a factional kill, but good point.
i don't think they can multitask and shoot 4 players in a night.
I asked the mod yesterday, they can.

that's op.

eyestott · Post Post #370 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:58 pm

In post 368, Something_Smart wrote:Sorry etytteost.

I just threw up a bit there

Firebringer · Post Post #371 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:59 pm

ive been wanting to call u elbirn for so long because of that avi.

eyestott · Post Post #372 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:59 pm

Honestly, that's better than etytteost

ISO · Post Post #373 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:00 pm

In post 370, eyestott wrote:
In post 368, Something_Smart wrote:Sorry etytteost.
I just threw up a bit there

Lol.

I'll make up for it by never spelling your name wrong except in jest

chkflip · Post Post #374 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:00 pm

VOTE: Knightmare491