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Target	Wagon
Not Voting (7)	Kay, Katrielle, Kim, Karma, Kitsune, Komainu, Kirk

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. The Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2020-07-10 21:47:59).

Kim Mask wrote:i could also see Kitsune and Komainu being the same person for reasons

this is probably not very helpful actually, since we can't talk about the reasons and speculating about people is obviously very bad. just getting my thoughts out there for the sake of transparency though

still having said all that it's hard not to lynch Karma here. i have no idea who they are i thought i had a decent idea at first but the absolute lack of content even at this stage means it's not that person. Karma if you really had to force yourself to have some town or scum reads right now, what would they be and why? i keep thinking scum going with your sort of account would be very helpful so that they can give reads on one account and then not have to fabricate much if their second account adopts a play style like yours

I am the first person, who gave both Kusco and Kris call. It is huge bs to call me lackluster and praise players like Kay or Karti, which didn't give us anything in this game. You are trying to label me in specific in eyes of other players by repeating those statements.

Komainu seems to have no interest in this setup. It is pretty obvious that he didn't join this because of playerlist, so he has to have other reason to be here. His negative attitude looks like distancing.
Katrielle is kind of generic player. Maybe she likes lynchwagons too much.
Kay seems genuine enough. He forgot that vote mechanics exists but whatever.
Kirk posts when other people sleep.
Kitsune has the highest second-account equity. Her posts are often forced and makes themed posts.
Kim likes to post a lot and seems to be kind of player that can't be identified with her posts alone. I would need to dig player-specific meta or compare her with scum flips.

I am sorry you find my posts forced, but so far both of this game's deaths are players who failed enough to embrace their fear of discover, so they will probably stay that way

In post 352, Kitsune Mask wrote:I am sorry you find my posts forced, but so far both of this game's deaths are players who failed enough to embrace their fear of discover, so they will probably stay that way

Er, there's a difference between making sure you post on the right account and posting weirdly so nobody can guess who you are.

What's a difference without a distinction

This game is making me very sad. Both deaths are almost like nightkills. And this is maybe LyLo? I wanted to play more

In post 351, Karma Mask wrote:It is pretty obvious that he didn't join this because of playerlist, so he has to have other reason to be here.

This is a weird argument to be making.

In post 351, Karma Mask wrote:

Kim Mask wrote:i could also see Kitsune and Komainu being the same person for reasons

this is probably not very helpful actually, since we can't talk about the reasons and speculating about people is obviously very bad. just getting my thoughts out there for the sake of transparency though

still having said all that it's hard not to lynch Karma here. i have no idea who they are i thought i had a decent idea at first but the absolute lack of content even at this stage means it's not that person. Karma if you really had to force yourself to have some town or scum reads right now, what would they be and why? i keep thinking scum going with your sort of account would be very helpful so that they can give reads on one account and then not have to fabricate much if their second account adopts a play style like yours

I am the first person, who gave both Kusco and Kris call. It is huge bs to call me lackluster and praise players like Kay or Karti, which didn't give us anything in this game. You are trying to label me in specific in eyes of other players by repeating those statements.

No. I was pushing Kuzco first. I had reads list on day 1. You just figured out there are other players in the game, and you still have no clue how to read them. I've actively participated in the game, you're doing the bare minimum to not get lynched. Nobody is trying to label you with things other players this game, you're the only person alive still trying to consistently fly under the radar.

Komainu seems to have no interest in this setup.

I disagree. What makes you say this?

It is pretty obvious that he didn't join this because of playerlist, so he has to have other reason to be here.

What is this?

His negative attitude looks like distancing.

No, it doesn't. If it did, please tell me what he was distancing from? What negativity is here?

Katrielle is kind of generic player. Maybe she likes lynchwagons too much.

What do either of these mean? Are you accusing me of being on both wagons? Did you not just try to claim credit for both of these lynches?

Kay seems genuine enough. He forgot that vote mechanics exists but whatever.

Not a read. Actually, none of these are reads, just saying things you've observed.

Kirk posts when other people sleep.

I don't find his activity too disparate from anyone else's. Also not a read.

Kitsune has the highest second-account equity. Her posts are often forced and makes themed posts.

What makes you say this? I disagree again.

Kim likes to post a lot and seems to be kind of player that can't be identified with her posts alone. I would need to dig player-specific meta or compare her with scum flips.

Kim is my strongest town read and easily so. I very much disagree that she's difficult to read or identify through her posting habits. This reads like a cop-out from you, a failure to provide any reads once again.

I disagree. What makes you say this?

common sense

What is this?

logic

No, it doesn't. If it did, please tell me what he was distancing from?

second account

What negativity is here?

What do either of these mean? Are you accusing me of being on both wagons? Did you not just try to claim credit for both of these lynches?

It means that you desire to get someone lynched. I will leave OMGUS interpretations for you.

Not a read. Actually, none of these are reads, just saying things you've observed.

I don't find his activity too disparate from anyone else's. Also not a read.

What makes you say this? I disagree again.

If you disagree with everything then don't waste my time, because i can already see that your standpoint will never change. I am not interested in debating with person of you attitude.

I very much disagree that she's difficult to read or identify through her posting habits. This reads like a cop-out from you

Maybe yes or maybe you are just naive. If you look at statistics when average player makes a confident reads, their townreads and scumreads are generally less likely to be scum and their nullreads are more likely to be scum.

Katrielle, I am interested in debating with person of you attitude.

In post 358, Karma Mask wrote:second account

What is the second account? Distancing is done from an object, and one you can see. Give me the object, or at least an example of him distancing.

The quotes you shared from Komainu do not display a disinterest in the game, just a negativity towards certain attitudes. If you read your post you used to respond to me with, you can see that this is an approach players take from time to time, some more than others. How does this approach connect to the conclusion you drew from it?

In post 358, Karma Mask wrote:"Karma if you really had to force yourself to have some town or scum reads right now"

It's day 3. You shouldn't have to force yourself to have reads right now. Where are your reads?

In post 358, Karma Mask wrote:If you disagree with everything then don't waste my time, because i can already see that your standpoint will never change. I am not interested in debating with person of you attitude.

My points of contention with each statement was clearly articulated, I'm uncertain as to how this points to an unwillingness to accept a different standpoint?

In post 358, Karma Mask wrote:Maybe yes or maybe you are just naive. If you look at statistics when average player makes a confident reads, their townreads and scumreads are generally less likely to be scum and their nullreads are more likely to be scum.

I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve with coming at me personally, but given your anecdotal (and I say anecdotal, but you can prove me wrong by providing statistical references) evidence, wouldn't you agree that Kim is less likely to be scum, since I have her as a strong town read and not a null read? This still fails to support your assertion that she is unreadable without meta reference.

In post 359, Kitsune Mask wrote:Katrielle, I am interested in debating with person of you attitude.

Alright. To be honest, I don't think my reads have changed all that much since my last post. No player, I think, is blatantly scummy. Kim, Komainu, and yourself remain stronger town reads, Karma, Kirk, and Kay the weaker of such (or null). Karma seems insistent on applying the least possible effort to the game, Kay fails to move out of what I'd like to say is the average player's scum range while maintaining a reasonable demeanor, and Kirk has made points that indicate applied thought, but cannot do so (again) in a way that makes him unlikely to be scum. This is how I see it right now, do you have points you would contend with in this post?

On review, I think Kay is more likely town of the lower three. I also significantly doubt that scum have any correct guesses at this point in time.

In post 354, Kitsune Mask wrote:What's a difference without a distinction

But there is a distinction. I am doing the former, you are doing the latter, and look whose posts are easier to parse.

In post 362, Katrielle Mask wrote:

In post 358, Karma Mask wrote:If you disagree with everything then don't waste my time, because i can already see that your standpoint will never change. I am not interested in debating with person of you attitude.

My points of contention with each statement was clearly articulated, I'm uncertain as to how this points to an unwillingness to accept a different standpoint?

In the most insincere way you were able to do it. I don't believe you desire to gather information at all. Your goal is to achieve the highest shade you can pull.

Typical manipulation

No, it doesn't. If it did, please tell me what he was distancing from? What negativity is here?

First you ask me about his negativity and distancing.

The quotes you shared from Komainu do not display a disinterest in the game, just a negativity towards certain attitudes.

and after you got, you pretend that i gave you wrong answer


Ofc we also got semantic nitpick.

What is the second account? Distancing is done from an object, and one you can see. Give me the object, or at least an example of him distancing.

He distances from everyone and this "everyone" includes his second account...

This still fails to support your assertion that she is unreadable without meta reference.

I said that i don't intent to prove it for you. This is my impression and you may have different. However i didn't like your BoP pulled out there.

In post 367, Karma Mask wrote:In the most insincere way you were able to do it. I don't believe you desire to gather information at all. Your goal is to achieve the highest shade you can pull.

Typical manipulation

I don't need to shade you, you do that for yourself. What have I done that indicates I only want to scum read you? What evidence do you have that this is anything more than an assumption?

and after you got, you pretend that i gave you wrong answer


Ofc we also got semantic nitpick.

You did give me the wrong answer, or at least one that doesn't have much at all to do with what I was asking about:


I want you to back up your claims because I don't see a whole lot of support for any of them on my own.

He distances from everyone and this "everyone" includes his second account...

One post of his that does this: that's all I'm asking for.

I said that i don't intent to prove it for you. This is my impression and you may have different. However i didn't like your BoP pulled out there.

Since I never accused you of Burden of Proficiency, I'm going to assume you mean "Burden of Proof," which isn't something I pull, it's something you have to begin with given you've made the claims.

Karma let's not pretend you aren't at the bottom of just about everyone's totem pole here. I think most player's goal at this point is to get you to townspew yourself such that it becomes obvious that we can apply our attention elsewhere, because I think most people are really uncomfortable with how the last two lynches turnd out, and both of them were doing the same thing you are right now: putting in little to no effort, flying under the radar, and coming after anyone who applies even the slightest amount of suspicion towards their slot. It's in your best interest to work with me - answering my questions and applying yourself only helps you here - I don't think there's any way scum can ask a town player for more information and make the town player look worse for legitimate shows of good faith effort.

In post 366, Kay Mask wrote:

In post 354, Kitsune Mask wrote:What's a difference without a distinction

But there is a distinction. I am doing the former, you are doing the latter, and look whose posts are easier to parse.

That's another difference. I don't know that it's a distinction. You're better understood. What does that do? Lynch scum? No one has lynched any scum this game.
People who have understood eachother have hastily made replies on their main account though.
Is it so good to be understood
There are so many ancient painters who were not understood
And composers
But they are the greats

VOTE: Kim Mask

To some extent, I'm townreading Kitsune, Katrielle, and to a certain extent Karma mask.

I have bad feelings about Kim Mask. I think it makes a lot of sense for them to be a wolf. I'm still side-eyeing Kay, and Is think Komainu Mask is a bit suspicious.

why does it make sense Kirk? i agree with whoever said that Kirk started strong but has since done nothing particularly towny. the way you started i assumed you would take a much more proactive role but that's just not been the case

Kay seems to be picking and choosing her posts to respond to, rather than commenting on the actual good stuff especially on this page, so not a fan of that

i agree with Katrielle on Karma's reads. i don't like the reasoning for most of them

Kitsune why did you think it wasn't lylo if scum had 1 account of ours pinned? how did you miscount?

Kay who's your top pick for scum right now?

I think my thought process was something like, 1 account identity kill + 1 mislynch = 5p LyLo where you lynch scum, that night the scum shoots somebody but you are still ok.

I just kind of didn't think of the mislynch as triggering night.

As best I remember