Open 789: Two-Fold 2d3 [Game Over]

[Menalque]

I think I may just townbin A50 and worry about that later if it needs to be worried about

[Menalque]

What are the odds? Like 66% right

So that’s a reasonable course of action

[Menalque]

Umlaut, what’s your read on dram?

[TripleHaven]

Is anyone actually townreading hiraki?

Him flipping scum feels too good to be true which is kinda why i'm skeptical to vote him? that's not even really a townread though, lol

[Menalque]

Him flipping scum feels too good to be true

Why?

[TripleHaven]

mena ask me things im bored

[Menalque]

I just did!

[Menalque]

Although I’m going for dinner soon-ish so the conversation may end up getting curtailed

[TripleHaven]

Him flipping scum feels too good to be true

Why?

It's almost too easy
their reaction to their wagon has been terrible
their tone is general is bad

[TripleHaven]

Him flipping scum feels too good to be true

Why?

It's almost too easy
their reaction to their wagon has been terrible
their tone is general is bad

but maybe its porkens in WHY GUN all over again

[TripleHaven]

VOTE: hiraku
for now

[dramonic]

dramonic your case on me is dumb
not even half the stuff you point out is AI for me at all

[Menalque]

Him flipping scum feels too good to be true

Why?

It's almost too easy
their reaction to their wagon has been terrible
their tone is general is bad

but maybe its porkens in WHY GUN all over again

This is more or less where I’m coming at it from — or like, more, I’d rather not starting worrying about “maybe all the scum are in the neutral slots or oh my god dann is a deepwolf again” until I’ve cleared through my top suspect(s)?

I don’t always have strong scumreads on D1, and in this case I do have one that’s pretty strong, so I want to actively flip there first and then reconsider if I’m wrong

[Menalque]

It also probably contributes to that that I feel like flipping hiraki doesn’t lose a lot, because I don’t think he’s interested in sorting basically anyone’s alignment and the one person he’s been actively pushing is the only person who I know for a fact to be town

[dramonic]

to the dramonic post:

1. you say i'm "spamming" the newb card then point out 2 posts. Apparently 2 posts is spamming. Also, it wasn't even spamming the newb card, it was spamming the "i'm new to this site" card which ARE DIFFERENT
2. and you were expecting me to explain my vote change back then... why? it was RvS, the votes literally didn't matter. The "umulaut was sheeping" thing wasn't even being serious to begin with either. Umulaut voting was like, the second post of the game
3. ???? how does this make me scum ????
4. Or maybe, instead of "caught for the wrong reason" it's "towny pushing against the dumbest reason to scumread them they've ever seen" I've been ML'd like 10+ times and that last part isn't even an exaggeration.
5. It's not even an allusion of content, I was just confused about the post in general.

1. "I dont know the deadlines here" falls in the same category, and you're right, it's worse, mb
2. This is the poorest attempt at emulating RVS I've ever seen
3. There's no town motivation to this sort of post, but again this is more a point against your buddy than against you. I've said that
4. Your track record of mislynches is irrelevant to you being scum here, but thanks for strawmanning
5. It's latching on to irrelevant details. You're just looking for something to question instead of scumhuntin.


Menalque continues her little campaign of Hiraki being town because he's a meanie

[dramonic]

*hiraki being scum* obviously

[Menalque]

I don’t really think hiraki coming across as a dick is AI, even though I do find it unpleasant

I think it’s much more that his reasons for scumreading me were fabricated and then changed under interrogation

[Menalque]

This is also the other thing I have doubts about regarding you, which is that you seem to also misrep or engage in bad faith with me

Like I don’t think I’ve ever said that I think hikari is scum bc he’s unpleasant and that’s not part of my read, so idk why you think it is/are implying that it is

[dramonic]

Well now I'm real scared

[dramonic]

That was snarkier than necessary.
I don't really care about whatever read you wanna fabricate on me tho.

[teacher]

Honestly I kinda like Dramonic. They are at least producing content/providing reasoning behind reads (hey, Hiraki, any time you want to hit up 295 that would be grand). While I disagree with their takes, I can see the reasoning and I like the different perspective. I also dont really feel like they're misrepping.

[teacher]

....snip....

You kind of answered what I would have asked to the lower paragraph in 277. I am not really getting it though, unless I am somehow misinterpreting something here. Does it look weird for Mena to appeal to the crowd when he gets frustrated in a conversation with someone scumreading him? (and his own scumread) What made it look like scum theatre? I get that you missed the detailed case of him, which made you change your mind later, but I am not really sure how you reached the conclusion, because I would think if you think an interaction looks like SvS you would be aware of each case.

It does not look weird once. It does look weird to do it three separate times, to three separate groups, in the space of 30 points. It seemed to blow it up into a bigger deal than it was. And thats what I meant by considering the potential for scum theater -- it has less to do with the cases that with the trajectory of the tone. It seemed to me that the escalation was not normal, and hence could be intentionally faked. TO BE CLEAR, I dont think this is the case after having seen the case, but I wanted to answer your question.

[teacher]

I am aware of the multiball dynamics, however you either townlean on Dann for his stretchy page 2 reach or not, I don't see how the existence of a second scum team plays into this.
What makes you leaning town on Umlaut?

1. Multiball dynamics matter because scum do want to scumhunt, just the other team. (I infer the townlean on Dann was for starting substantive discussion)
2. Not one thing in particular. Their posts have just jived with me -- I liked the response to dram on "specific things," the timing on the vote of Hiraki, and just gestalt, generally.

[Hiraki]

Is anyone actually townreading hiraki?

*sweat drips*

[Menalque]

Honestly I kinda like Dramonic. They are at least producing content/providing reasoning behind reads (hey, Hiraki, any time you want to hit up 295 that would be grand). While I disagree with their takes, I can see the reasoning and I like the different perspective. I also dont really feel like they're misrepping.

Okay, what about the specific thing I just talked about? Like my reason for why I think hiraki is scum has been fairly clearly laid out and has nothing to do with whether I like their style much or not

Why do you think dram was implying that that was my reason for voting there?