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yes i think we need to be careful with the "ready for next phase button"

Here's where I am: Everybody PLEASE vote Galron (The Wolf team will vote for the Jester and so will he himself). We need at least 4 votes (5 in worst case scenario) to ensure it's Galron we ship out, and that's assuming all other townies will NOT be voting at all.

As for the check, I've come to the conclusion it's sub-optimal to target Galron tonight. He is either Jester or Wolf, thus 100% not town. Let's say he gets confirmed Wolf. So? We still have another wolf to catch. Yes, it's a step forward and all that but we already knew not to trust him.

But what if he is NOT CORRUPT and thus confirmed Jester (which is much much more likely)? We would have confirmed what we had already knew while having wasted a night check.

It's MUCH MUCH better to check someone else to verify whether they're Town or Wolf. Confirming a townie (from the suspect pool) would be great, but catching a Wolf would be even better.

Now let's not forget this: We have a trio of Clairvoyant-Innkeeper-Bard (Bard is not confirmed but will be if the Clairvoyant gets a Not Corrupt result). We only need the Clairvoyant + ONE of the two though. The third is a surplus/backup. Also the Clairvoyant's result will still be announced even if they are the NK of the same night.

I said I suspect Glitch & WLC, so -naturally- that's where I want the check to go. Glitch is a higher priority (to me) because he is more active and "I think" is more cunning if he is Scum. This shouldn't matter if we get a Not Corrupt result (i.e. whichever of them gets checked; if they return NC we just nuke the other IMHO). The problem is if we do get a CORRUPT result, in which case I "thought" it would have been better to know exactly which was being checked in advance.

HOWEVER, having thought it over again; I see that if we do get a Corrupt the Clairvoyant can explicitly claim at this point. They'd get a Wolf booted out and they'd still have a check at hand regardless (reminder: The result gets announced EVEN if the Clairvoyant themselves are NK'd on the same night). But that's assuming Galron is indeed the Defector. If we have a 3 Wolf team with Galron NOT a member, or if we have 2 with not one in Galron/WLC/Glitch then we're probably screwed already, but I would still rather having a plan so we know where we stand rather than having everyone go a random direction of their own.

So..

@Glitch: Do you mind getting checjed tonight by the Clairvoyant? Yes or no, please. No ifs/buts or addendum (You can have that in a separate post if you like, just not in your response to this simple question. Thank you)

@WLC: Same question. Same guidelines of you please.

I'll say this upfront because it really doesn't matter: If both agree then we go for Glitch. If both refuse then it shouldn't matter because .. why the freak would a townie be against being confirmed?

Now if one says yes and the other says no we check the one who AGREED (just in case they're town) and the one that refused is the auto-elim of tomorrow (unless -of course- we get a guilty still on the one that agreed to be checked)

tl;dr: Clairvoyant should be on Glitch unless he refuses to be checked and WLC agrees to be checked.

P.S. Don't forget to vote Galron already, please and thank you.

@Galron: Your "crumb" was even more scummy of you. Having reread it I got the feeling you were testing the waters to see if the role was available for you to fake claim, while subtly trying to gauge my own reaction to decide if I'm the Clairvoyant or not. It was a smart move (I give you that) but -also- a Scum claim IMHO.

In post 323, brighteningskies wrote:

In post 301, WeyounsLastClone wrote:
A bit too late since we're in ballot phase already, but Fuzzylogic, in post 60 you mention 'might be waiting to catch both ww before claiming'. Do we know for sure we have only two ww? Or are you discounting potential defector?

Hi
I know this was directed at Fuzzy but defector doesn't show up as corrupt to clairvoyant and we don't need to burn them just the wolves. (Just checking you know this in case you don't)

Yes, but I thought we didn't know yet if it's 2 ww, 2 ww + defector, 3 ww, or even 3 ww and defector? From the post it seemed like he knew there were 2.

I'm okay to be checked by the clairvoyant.

Eh fine I agree, but I don't think Glitch refusing to be checked should matter think clairvoyant should just check him either way.
I mean why would he refuse and why would we as town care if he refuses?

In a larger game I usually advocate for the Jester to be burned because of the chaos they cause but in such a small game the effects of the next day no burn are worse so maybe not. I do think we shouldn't rule out checking Italiano eventually in case this is a wacky wolf play but atm sure let's just check Glitch.

PEDIT @ WLC: I think it's very very unlikely for it to be 3 wolves in a small game. It could be 2 wolves and a defector but either way the wolves are what matters to us the most. (I'm not ruling out there being 3 wolves but I think it's unlikely)

In post 355, brighteningskies wrote:Eh fine I agree, but I don't think Glitch refusing to be checked should matter think clairvoyant should just check him either way.
I mean why would he refuse and why would we as town care if he refuses?

If he refuses he's claiming scum, so better confirm WLC's alignment and eliminate Glitch either way. That's saving us a check (or more to it: a CYCLE). It's as if we already got a guilty on Glitch and we are checking WLC

I am trying to gather as much info in as little time as possible for us to have a better chance.

Yeah but we don't know Glitch is scum and I'm inclined to think it might be that the clairvoyant checked me and that's where the first corrupt result came from. And we might confuse the clairvoyant with this uncertainty so it might be a good idea to just confirm who we want checked.

Why the confusion?

- Glitch is OK with being checked = check Glitch
- Glitch is NOT OL with being checked = Scum claim

I don't see how this could be confusing at all

In post 352, Almost50 wrote:@Galron: Your "crumb" was even more scummy of you. Having reread it I got the feeling you were testing the waters to see if the role was available for you to fake claim, while subtly trying to gauge my own reaction to decide if I'm the Clairvoyant or not. It was a smart move (I give you that) but -also- a Scum claim IMHO.

Post 21 was a genuine screw up as described. The other, you understand what I'm expecting you to lead?

IVD can't vote btw

In post 351, Almost50 wrote:@Glitch: Do you mind getting checjed tonight by the Clairvoyant? Yes or no, please. No ifs/buts or addendum (You can have that in a separate post if you like, just not in your response to this simple question. Thank you)

No, I don't mind. I have nothing to hide.

I need to go back to the role list and see what Galron is implying.

In post 362, Glitch wrote:I need to go back to the role list and see what Galron is implying.

Let me know what you get from it.

In post 351, Almost50 wrote:The Wolf team will vote for the Jester and so will he himself

IVD can't vote.

Neither of us can

We're twisting in the wind.

Kind of wondering what we're all still doing here. It doesn't any more what Galron is, voting him is better than the Jester. Let's go, people. End the day so we can get a flip.

@ Pine
There is no role reveal.......

Well, I've voted for Galron and ticked the "let's goooo" button.
Let's goooooo

In post 369, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:@ Pine
There is no role reveal.......

Fair enough, though there are role who can either be identified through effects or investigated by other roles.

In post 363, Almost50 wrote:

In post 362, Glitch wrote:I need to go back to the role list and see what Galron is implying.

Let me know what you get from it.

Nothing really. In reality it just means he isn't seducer but I was thinking maybe him saying that was implying his own claim. I was wrong. Still solidifying roles in my mind here.

It's probably one of the people on the ballot holding this up.

Dont know..... Pine seems too eager to end the day.

I think I might change my vote and roll my chances with Italian. The logic behind this if he is the jester we get rid of him early and take our chances with losing a day elimantion
I need more time to think this through however.