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In post 342, Raya36 wrote:This feels forced.

This goes really nicely with the below too!

In post 277, Infinity Zero wrote:Don't like the tone of this either.

You are all completely right! Giving super compelling obviously factual statements like this in the form of cases is very valuable discussion and definitely helps. I'm learning so much here

man, i'm such a big supporter of intuition and gut reads and yet all of these feelings are so hard to interact with. all i can say is "i don't think it looks forced", and then Raya can say "i do".

anyways speaking of, Titus i'd appreciate some words on that Raya vote because i don't think "wait and see" is a great approach in a semi-blitz.
not that i know a good approach. there's a reason i don't play blitzes. i don't know why i signed up for this, actually. normally i love just avoiding the thread for a day sometimes but the 4-day deadline guilt throws that out the window.

pedit: lmao nevermind. thanks?

I'll join A&M wagon if you're all bailing on me but I don't think it's a particularly compelling one

In post 351, Chara wrote:all i can say is "i don't think it looks forced", and then Raya can say "i do".

I can't tell if this is sarcastic LOL

bob i get your point and i hate that i'm enjoying your point when your gameplay philosophy continues to conflict with my own, but pointing at something that isn't a case and then a weak part of a different case and declaring "explanation bad' is not a very strong argument.

pedit: it's not. or it is but in a sincere way. i do think intuition is a solid part of mafia but sometimes there's just nothing to say back to it.
but i do think the practice of trying to put that feeling into words can be very useful.

In post 352, wellermanbob wrote:I'll join A&M wagon if you're all bailing on me but I don't think it's a particularly compelling one

why not?

In post 354, Chara wrote:a weak part of a different case

I think my point is I don't think there was a single thing in the "case" that wasn't similarly pointless and not evidence. So while I'm taking some easy comedy there is actually a point about Infinity's play hidden here somewhere. I'm having trouble working the other people who were like "I don't like bob lets vote bob" because it feels like it's not game related and simply disagreements with who I am.

But to get back to the relevant part - imagine you are Inifinit and you are being pushed by some person completely new to your site, they don't really offer reasons and you don't know what to do. Over a day and a hundred or so posts after dancing around the subject you gradually get to a public scumread. And then right after declaring you want to justify it to be different (and because it feels a bit awkward with the whole timing of scumreading someone scumreading you thing) and you feel like it's a bit awkward, so you want to have a case. Only, there's nothing real, so you post that waste of a wall.

Is that kind of "hey I need to do something to respond to this" feeling more likely to come from town or scum?

In post 355, Chara wrote:

In post 352, wellermanbob wrote:I'll join A&M wagon if you're all bailing on me but I don't think it's a particularly compelling one

why not?

Nothing seems particularly interesting in the ISO? Just looks like they aren't doing much, so they could be in a process of elimination or something but I'd rather flip active scumreads or at least people who have done more.

I think I just don't like Bob's playstyle. Not so much that I think he's scum. I honestly feel like scum would be a little more careful about their appearance. I'm going to back away from this slot for now

In post 347, Chara wrote:i don't think Cards of Destiny is a

great

metric for my play, because i was definitely phoning it in for large swathes of that game. but i get what you're saying re: bob and Infinity.

i assumed bob was from another site, but his comment about not knowing me makes me wonder if he's an alt. i guess it doesn't really matter.

Likely either an alt or he’s a huge pokemon fan from another site. Well perhaps TBoNTB is a better example but I’ve seen your scumgame and “smug” or “comfortable” definitely aren’t words I’d use to describe it. Infinity seems to read confidence and whatever he views as being opionated as scum indicative from what I’ve read from some of his games. I do think that is true for players like DGB for example but not everyone but I think Gamma is the easier half of that slot to read. Probably because I have no experience with scum!Infinity but I do with scum!Gamma.

In post 312, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:

In post 310, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:

In post 306, wellermanbob wrote:It sure is funny that whenever you put people on the to die list they always come around and scumread you in the end:)

I would scumread someone for that if I felt that their read on me was overstated and didn’t make sense to me, so I don’t know why that would surprise you?

I just finished a game where scum!player X told townplayer Y that they shouldn’t even be alive, so I personally get pinged by excessively strong reads like that if they seem excessive to me. It could just be a playstyle thing which is why I’d really like to hear you make a case on Infinity Zero because your extremely strong scumread on them isn’t really making sense to me. So please explain it, thanks.

@bob did you miss this post? You being dismissive to people isn’t helping me to understand why you scumread Infinity Zero.

I put some explanation in my last post. I'm not one for quoting peoples post and writing words - I think the motivation behind several stances and posts has been that of scum, and I'd encourage you to reread some of their earlier posting

second to last post* (3rd after this)

In post 356, wellermanbob wrote:

In post 354, Chara wrote:a weak part of a different case

I think my point is I don't think there was a single thing in the "case" that wasn't similarly pointless and not evidence. So while I'm taking some easy comedy there is actually a point about Infinity's play hidden here somewhere. I'm having trouble working the other people who were like "I don't like bob lets vote bob" because it feels like it's not game related and simply disagreements with who I am.

But to get back to the relevant part - imagine you are Inifinit and you are being pushed by some person completely new to your site, they don't really offer reasons and you don't know what to do. Over a day and a hundred or so posts after dancing around the subject you gradually get to a public scumread. And then right after declaring you want to justify it to be different (and because it feels a bit awkward with the whole timing of scumreading someone scumreading you thing) and you feel like it's a bit awkward, so you want to have a case. Only, there's nothing real, so you post that waste of a wall.

Is that kind of "hey I need to do something to respond to this" feeling more likely to come from town or scum?

I’m sorry but I think this is kind’ve going over my head. Is the crux of your scumread on them based on you disliking Infinity’s reaction to your scumread on them?

this sort of communication is what i was hoping to see and it's unfortunate that it's happened when i decided to do my best to go to sleep. i'm going to try and do that but i'll say that yes i agree it's hard to work with the stance that you're just bad (though i don't know if you mean work with as in cooperate or work with as in form a read on, either way i think it applies).
there's a lot i want to say, saying you're just pushing at nothing, therefore you have nothing and are scum, is indeed a surface level and easy sort of take. (i don't remember now who said that)
and my perception of Gamma might be biased by remembering what town Gamma looks like and seeing some early similarities here, as well.

what was your original intent in declaring Mirrors and Infinity scum and pushing both?

pedit: to bob, though that's likely clear.

The crux is that the positions that they took make much more sense as scum then as town.

pedit: Because they both had posting that matched the above criteria and I thought people would be inspired to reread and think about it. Well, it's happening now maybe, but I don't think it needed to be so polarizing.

In post 364, Chara wrote:work with the stance that you're just bad

I don't need to work with 12 other people...just like, 4 or 5 is usually enough

In post 361, wellermanbob wrote:I put some explanation in my last post. I'm not one for quoting peoples post and writing words - I think the motivation behind several stances and posts has been that of scum, and I'd encourage you to reread some of their earlier posting

In post 332, Infinity Zero wrote:

I coudn't read that post because I got distracted blaring red scum alarms going off in my head

. It's showy and fabricated and it feels so dispassionate about the bob wagon that I don't believe it really TRs bob. I need to talk to gamma because I'm not seeing chara and bob as scum together but chara needs to die

VOTE: chara

-Inf

PEdit: that was at 330

The bolded was probably the only thing I disliked because if you’re scumreading a slot, you should never not read that player’s post but other than that I’m not really sure what you’re referring to but I’ll re-ISO them. Gamma definitely needs to post more because I think I can better read him > Infinity.

In post 357, wellermanbob wrote:

In post 355, Chara wrote:

In post 352, wellermanbob wrote:I'll join A&M wagon if you're all bailing on me but I don't think it's a particularly compelling one

why not?

Nothing seems particularly interesting in the ISO? Just looks like they aren't doing much, so they could be in a process of elimination or something but I'd rather flip active scumreads or at least people who have done more.

i can understand this, but when applied in a general way it can lead to flipping active slots and leaving less-readable slots alive into the lategame.

i don't think that thinking is relevant to this game yet, though.

In post 364, Chara wrote:this sort of communication is what i was hoping to see and it's unfortunate that it's happened when i decided to do my best to go to sleep. i'm going to try and do that but i'll say that yes i agree it's hard to work with the stance that you're just bad (though i don't know if you mean work with as in cooperate or work with as in form a read on, either way i think it applies).
there's a lot i want to say, saying you're just pushing at nothing, therefore you have nothing and are scum, is indeed a surface level and easy sort of take. (i don't remember now who said that)
and my perception of Gamma might be biased by remembering what town Gamma looks like and seeing some early similarities here, as well.

what was your original intent in declaring Mirrors and Infinity scum and pushing both?

pedit: to bob, though that's likely clear.

Yes, please answer the bolded because you apparently scumread us based on a question that Infinity asked us, which had nothing whatsoever do with anything we did, so that concerned me.

In post 365, wellermanbob wrote:pedit: Because they both had posting that matched the above criteria and I thought people would be inspired to reread and think about it. Well, it's happening now maybe, but I don't think it needed to be so polarizing.

that early i assumed you were just taking some sand and calling it a boulder for content purposes. i'm curious about what you saw in those early posts that caught your attention

In post 368, Chara wrote:

In post 357, wellermanbob wrote:

In post 355, Chara wrote:

In post 352, wellermanbob wrote:I'll join A&M wagon if you're all bailing on me but I don't think it's a particularly compelling one

why not?

Nothing seems particularly interesting in the ISO? Just looks like they aren't doing much, so they could be in a process of elimination or something but I'd rather flip active scumreads or at least people who have done more.

i can understand this, but when applied in a general way it can lead to flipping active slots and leaving less-readable slots alive into the lategame.

i don't think that thinking is relevant to this game yet, though.

I think momentum matters more but thats also philosophical lol

In post 369, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:you apparently scumread us based on a question that Infinity asked us

Posts 96 and 97 seemed like a bad entrance to the game and the comment about being left out pinged. I alluded to those posts before. I don't think we're going to have a productive friendship if you get hung up on that.

In post 372, wellermanbob wrote:

In post 369, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:you apparently scumread us based on a question that Infinity asked us

Posts 96 and 97 seemed like a bad entrance to the game and the comment about being left out pinged. I alluded to those posts before. I don't think we're going to have a productive friendship if you get hung up on that.

Okay fair enough but that’s totally NAI for me but you really don’t need to act antagonistic in nearly every post of yours.

I would like to know how people are reading Red because I really can’t make sense of pretty much anything they’ve posted.

I don't believe in NAI tbh