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In post 339, Duchess wrote:Norfolk's first post reads to me almost the same as when scum feigns confusion about a Night Kill upon day start. He is overcompensating in his next post in that he ignores the implication that Whemestar is casting suspicion his way, and instead casually replies as if he is known town. He made his first post, 3 people immediately condemned it, he realized how scummy it was, and then tried to throw in a fake townslip to compensate.

This doesn't make sense to me; need your help parsing the thought process here.

How is Norfolk's entry the same as when scum feigns confusion about a nightkill? He didn't "feign confusion", he just said that he was glad he didn't get the gun because he didn't want responsibility which is a common line of thought.

Your fake townslip argument is where it goes off the rails for me. Ofc he responds as if he's known town; he's writing from his perspective and if he does otherwise it's more a matter of style than alignment. He doesn't really have to respond to Wheme's suspicion because Wheme didn't voice any actual concerns for him to respond to and yes multiple people ragged on him on page 2 or whatever but I don't think that translates to attempted fake townslips like you're implying here.

Imperium wrote:

In post 346, Duchess wrote:I disagree heavily with that take. I am willing to go out on a limb and say that most mafiosi write their own posts.

And then there's people like Gypyx in Tenet who are so heavily coached and have their posts approved by their scum team that they escape notice because they don't look anything like they usually look as scum.

But I don't think he was saying that he wouldn't be writing his own posts, but that the scum team would probably heavily advise against such an opening.

Even then, I do not expect anyone to announce in their Private thread before making their first post in the game.

That's okay! People usually get over whatever concerns they have with me in the beginning of the game by the end of day one.

And I'm sure notscience is still probably sitting in a pool of paranoia thinking I gave him a gun to get him out of the game or something :p

In post 351, Duchess wrote:Even then, I do not expect anyone to announce in their Private thread before making their first post in the game.

They had 24 hours of discussion before the game started and you don't think that the inexperienced scum ran openings with his more experienced partners?

Because if that's the case this is gonna be a quick game.

In post 277, RLotus wrote:

In post 274, Netflix and Chill wrote:What would flipping Norfolk clear up lotus?

There has been a lot of conversation around Norfolk so seeing his alignment would help solve

This is a bad response.

Give me specifics - what would flipping Norfolk solve? If a lot of people suspect someone them flipping town just means that people were wrong. Are there people you think Norfolk can't be aligned with? Are there pushes that you are more likely to double back on if Norfolk flips town?

The way you explained his first post was much better than how I did, actually.

In post 344, Imperium wrote:"hey guys oh boy am I glad I didn't get shot don't shoot me haha!!".

This is the exact sentiment I was getting at with "feigning confusion about a Night Kill" as an example.

On the townslip, we can agree to disagree. You are basically understanding my meaning. I am essentially reading the second post like "I'm not afraid of getting KILLED by the gun, by the way, I only don't want the responsibility".

In post 356, Duchess wrote:On the townslip, we can agree to disagree. You are basically understanding my meaning. I am essentially reading the second post like "I'm not afraid of getting KILLED by the gun, by the way, I only don't want the responsibility".

There's two possibilities:

Either he's a townie that doesn't want the gun because he's a newer player or he's overemphasizing that he wouldn't die if he got the gun because he's trying to compensate for a bad opening.

Why do you think it's way more likely that it's the latter? Why do multiple people think it's way more likely that it's the latter? Gut?

In post 276, SirCakez wrote:

In post 274, Netflix and Chill wrote:What would flipping Norfolk clear up lotus?

@Cakez you can save three people who and why

Do I have to answer
I don't really have a good one nobody seems that townie so far this game

Liked this response tho.

In post 168, RLotus wrote:I'm liking what I'm seeing from Mush, his convictions are very strong and seem authentic.

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This is such a weird post but maybe I'm just not understanding it properly.

The first paragraph on STT reads that you agree with him on a bunch of points so he's approaching the game from a townie perspective but the paragraph on Duchess reads like he has the same reads as you so he's trying to pocket you? Like I don't understand why you having the same perspective as STT = STT town and I definitely don't understand the substance of your Duchess read like a even a little bit.

In post 255, Netflix and Chill wrote:I think if I shoot duchess I die

She flips red though

?????

In post 359, Imperium wrote:

In post 168, RLotus wrote:I'm liking what I'm seeing from Mush, his convictions are very strong and seem authentic.

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This is such a weird post but maybe I'm just not understanding it properly.

The first paragraph on STT reads that you agree with him on a bunch of points so he's approaching the game from a townie perspective but the paragraph on Duchess reads like he has the same reads as you so he's trying to pocket you? Like I don't understand why you having the same perspective as STT = STT town and I definitely don't understand the substance of your Duchess read like a even a little bit.

And this is probably a bit unfair with regards to the Duchess portion - I get that part of it is timing but I still don't understand how Duchess is scummy for jumping too hard on Norfolk while you're calling Norfolk scum with Duchess - seems like you're trying to have your cake and eat it too.

In post 293, Imperium wrote:I am scumhunting you yes cakes and I suspect your approach to Norfolk.

How is this similar to how I pushed BM in Xeno 2?

I like STT's second post more and buy their explanation for tonal oddities

Imperium's defense of Norfolk feels very unearned
I would not be surprised if Tammy is going in to help a scum buddy here

In post 362, SirCakez wrote:

In post 293, Imperium wrote:I am scumhunting you yes cakes and I suspect your approach to Norfolk.

How is this similar to how I pushed BM in Xeno 2?

You pushed BM for really weak reasons and kept focusing on them going on some meta something.

Your push on norfolk feels really weak in the same way. I don't get the lamist argument in the least bit, and then your interpretation that he was saying he wasn't going to be scumhunting was a really bad read. Looks like you pushing a narrative rather than actually reading.

In post 322, Duchess wrote:Norfolk Boy has made 4 posts and Whemestar has 46, so your last point about diverting attention definitely does not apply to me. If there is anything diverting attention away from Norfolk, it is Norfolk's own lurking.

I dislike this post categorizing Norfolk as lurking
It's way too early to call anyone as a lurker

In post 365, Imperium wrote:

In post 362, SirCakez wrote:

In post 293, Imperium wrote:I am scumhunting you yes cakes and I suspect your approach to Norfolk.

How is this similar to how I pushed BM in Xeno 2?

You pushed BM for really weak reasons and kept focusing on them going on some meta something.

Your push on norfolk feels really weak in the same way. I don't get the lamist argument in the least bit, and then your interpretation that he was saying he wasn't going to be scumhunting was a really bad read. Looks like you pushing a narrative rather than actually reading.

Ok but clearly I'm not the only one seeing the scum signs on Norfolk
And I never said that post was declaring he wasn't scumhunting
Rather I think it's a post aimed at dissuading scumhunting in general

In post 334, Imperium wrote:I don't like unwnd's posts regarding this at all. We're two days in the start of a two-week deadline with not even 20 pages in. It's super misguided and kinda scummy to be advocating for a shot here right now for slanker shot. We have no idea whether or not norfolk will start actually posting, but based on previous games he should regardless of alignment. If he's scum, we get oh look everyone thought he was scum but no associatives to speak of, and we potentially go right into one of us eating a night kill before any impact can be made, which means we're not too far ahead.

I think what you perceive to be scummy just turns into mutual disagreement. I find myself saying this more often but it does remain to be true. I think some things Norfolk has done is scummy, I pointed out one instance when I was explaining why I advocated his shot. I don't think thinks he's scum actually, if I were accounting based on Ctrl+F who-mentioned-norfolk-as-good-shot it'd be like.. 3 people. First: What do I gain as scum to advocate a shot on someone like this so strongly. Secondly: You answered you didn't know how scum would be treating him so. Where does the connection lie with me being scummy/misguided, and does this equate to you believing he's town?

Specifically look at the last line
It's like saying other people shouldn't be able to influence the gunshot which is obviously not good for town

In post 364, SirCakez wrote:Imperium's defense of Norfolk feels very unearned
I would not be surprised if Tammy is going in to help a scum buddy here

Funny that I think the way you guys are acting like he's confirmed scum is unearned.

I would not be surprised if you're bussing him here if he's scum.

I don't think you think I'm scum sugarboy.

In post 367, SirCakez wrote:

In post 365, Imperium wrote:

In post 362, SirCakez wrote:

In post 293, Imperium wrote:I am scumhunting you yes cakes and I suspect your approach to Norfolk.

How is this similar to how I pushed BM in Xeno 2?

You pushed BM for really weak reasons and kept focusing on them going on some meta something.

Your push on norfolk feels really weak in the same way. I don't get the lamist argument in the least bit, and then your interpretation that he was saying he wasn't going to be scumhunting was a really bad read. Looks like you pushing a narrative rather than actually reading.

Ok but clearly I'm not the only one seeing the scum signs on Norfolk
And I never said that post was declaring he wasn't scumhunting
Rather I think it's a post aimed at dissuading scumhunting in general

I know you're not. I think almost everyone has him as near confirmed scum, which is why it feels so weird to me.

How am I acting like he's confscum?
I would like more posts from the slot for sure.
My STT read just flipped on one post and I'm still open to changing based on what I see. It's still quite early.

In post 170, SirCakez wrote:

In post 160, Norfolk Boy1 wrote:I'm not digging ScrewTheTells jumping in and claiming it's suspicious that i'm not posting when it's Sunday night in the UK.

Anyone suggesting a committee or that votes should decide the shot is a scum candidate for me.

The only confirmed town is Netflix, so Netflix should decide.

Another bad Norfolk post
They're basically saying don't scumhunt, it's netflix's job.

But you did.

I think Norfolk's ISO as is has been read into enough and I think we need more posting from them