I'm curious on your thoughts about boxxy and the wagon forming on him.
I find Monkey's posts hard to follow because many of them are just quotes, no explanations. This is not good IMO since it leaves it to the reader to fill in the blanks.
Your push that Boxxy being pinged by your "I have a scumtell on Cyrus that I'm not going to voice" is also questionable. You said that Boxxy and Dwlee being pinged by that were different because of something like Boxxy having a scumread on Cyrus before and Dwlee not, but I think that is BS since I also was highly pinged by you doing that, and I have a scumream on Cyrus.
I'll have to go back and actually look at the case carefully if I want to say something sensible, but I don't like your and Monkey's little "mindmeld". It overwhelmed the rest of the thread in a way that reduced the ability for others to interact and give input and limited the free formation of reads. Maybe you two are just excited town, but I've also seen chaotic scumteams do this. Especially Monkey's "you fill in the blanks" wallposting.
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:50 pm
by OutWorldER
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:50 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
well... it's obviously boxxy and cyrus. that third partner can still be out there.
I'm curious on your thoughts about boxxy and the wagon forming on him.
I find Monkey's posts hard to follow because many of them are just quotes, no explanations. This is not good IMO since it leaves it to the reader to fill in the blanks.
Your push that Boxxy being pinged by your "I have a scumtell on Cyrus that I'm not going to voice" is also questionable. You said that Boxxy and Dwlee being pinged by that were different because of something like Boxxy having a scumread on Cyrus before and Dwlee not, but I think that is BS since I also was highly pinged by you doing that, and I have a scumream on Cyrus.
I'll have to go back and actually look at the case carefully if I want to say something sensible, but I don't like your and Monkey's little "mindmeld". It overwhelmed the rest of the thread in a way that reduced the ability for others to interact and give input and limited the free formation of reads. Maybe you two are just excited town, but I've also seen chaotic scumteams do this. Especially Monkey's "you fill in the blanks" wallposting.
monkey sees the same stuff I see and reacted the same way to the same outrageous posts people made this game, I have no doubts he is town here.
the case is very easy to follow, I don't know what you are confused about
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:54 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
In post 350, Seanzie wrote:It overwhelmed the rest of the thread in a way that reduced the ability for others to interact and give input and limited the free formation of reads.
are you not free to form your reads? is the formation of reads not free enough?
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:54 pm
by nomnomnom
like this is painfully clear as a case, what's got you confused here?
In post 323, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Boxxy's posts aren't good. TL;DR Boxxy is positioning himself to be the town's lord and savior from these anti-town scrubs and he's gonna scumhunt the scum to infinity and beyond. I read this as scum who's trying to score towncred. This is not how town actually score towncred. Town score towncred by making an effort in actually sorting slots. But in fact, he's done the opposite — he's reading into things very superficially and focuses much more on keeping the 'tegridy of muh tuhwn.
Corroborating evidence: #200 (and my comment #208)
He also did this:
> Seanzie is dishonest
> votes nomnomnom for "anti-town behavior"
Reference: #222
He also did this:
>monkey is anti-town and should be lynched
>hahaha i was just saying that just in case!
Reference: #149 → #151 → #172 → #222 (the first part)
That's just my complaint. There's a lot of tickets from noms and Salsabil too.
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:54 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
inb4 "The people that I didn't want to scumread are being scumread"
In post 350, Seanzie wrote:It overwhelmed the rest of the thread in a way that reduced the ability for others to interact and give input and limited the free formation of reads.
are you not free to form your reads? is the formation of reads not free enough?
Do you know about threadhealth?
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:57 pm
by Seanzie
In post 356, nomnomnom wrote:like this is painfully clear as a case, what's got you confused here?
In post 323, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Boxxy's posts aren't good. TL;DR Boxxy is positioning himself to be the town's lord and savior from these anti-town scrubs and he's gonna scumhunt the scum to infinity and beyond. I read this as scum who's trying to score towncred. This is not how town actually score towncred. Town score towncred by making an effort in actually sorting slots. But in fact, he's done the opposite — he's reading into things very superficially and focuses much more on keeping the 'tegridy of muh tuhwn.
Corroborating evidence: #200 (and my comment #208)
He also did this:
> Seanzie is dishonest
> votes nomnomnom for "anti-town behavior"
Reference: #222
He also did this:
>monkey is anti-town and should be lynched
>hahaha i was just saying that just in case!
Reference: #149 → #151 → #172 → #222 (the first part)
That's just my complaint. There's a lot of tickets from noms and Salsabil too.
Tbh I didn't even see this post in particular in the flurry of posts. I will take a look and let you know my thoughts.
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:59 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
Why? Were you not interested in my posts? Were you not reading through me if I'm scum or town? Or anyone else that has posted?
In post 325, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay, I've read over that interaction and I see what you're talking about now. I wish boxxy was here to respond and give some updates but I feel like him not is kind of by his own design.
VOTE: boxxy
What changed your mind?
On reread your problems with nom and your quick vote feel like a chainsaw defense and you were scumreading Cyrus which doesn't make sense together. Your actions are incongruent with your stated reads
Pedit: hem what's your deal here? I don't remember you being this... Ridiculous? in our previous games
In post 350, Seanzie wrote:It overwhelmed the rest of the thread in a way that reduced the ability for others to interact and give input and limited the free formation of reads.
are you not free to form your reads? is the formation of reads not free enough?
Do you know about threadhealth?
I don't know about the particular term but I think that what you're complaining about here is that me and monkey mindmelded so hard and cased boxxy so hard that it made the game revolve around this. Is this what you're trying to say?
If that's it, I fail to see how that's a bad thing. Two players read each other as town and case another player, and the rest of the playerlist is convinced the case is solid enough to warrant a boxxy lynch. If boxxy flips scum we have a killer townblocc that scums can't fight because town has recognized each other very quickly and agreed with each other very quickly. How is that a bad thing?
The only bad scenario is if somehow boxxy is town, in which case I can get behind the fact you don't like the discussion being warped so hard around a player which you think is town. If that's the case I wanna see it, I wanna see why you townread the slot. If that's not the case there is no reason to make this kind of comment.
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:03 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
What's ridiculous in my posts, Dwlee? I'm playing the game.
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:04 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
In fact, I played it so hard I caught 2 scum, and possible 3.
In post 366, Dwlee99 wrote:Me and at least one other person have said your posts have been hard to parse or understand and you're being unusually sassy about it
I'll explain post-game if you really want to, but if my posts have been hard-to-parse, I've already adjusted with a one-post no-quote breakdown. I assumed you've read that.
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:14 pm
by ssbm_Kyouko
Also feels like a lot of iioa throughout, and an unusual fixation on getting a sense of where everyone's townreads are, which could be nai but here feels more like trying to map the topography and get a strategic push in at a later time
In post 366, Dwlee99 wrote:Me and at least one other person have said your posts have been hard to parse or understand and you're being unusually sassy about it
I'll explain post-game if you really want to, but if my posts have been hard-to-parse, I've already adjusted with a one-post no-quote breakdown. I assumed you've read that.
I did, and I appreciated that you put words in it. My issue before was you just quoted a series of posts and expected me to fit your exact brain spot together by myself which I don't think is reasonable.
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:15 pm
by nomnomnom
It could quite literally just be boxxy/cyrus/sean as a scumteam, really
which means their entire early game interaction was distancing lol
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:19 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
In post 372, Dwlee99 wrote:My issue before was you just quoted a series of posts and expected me to fit your exact brain spot together by myself which I don't think is reasonable.
Those series of posts were also posts by me that explained those other quotes. I'm gonna guess you didn't even attempt to read it, and I understand.
