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Okay well I really need to head to work, I don't have any strong reads right now otherwise I'd drop them, but I do have some posts I'll finish if I happen to be around later.

*around as in alive

In post 271, T3 wrote:cool cookie locktown

In post 272, T3 wrote:Even if redtea flips town.

^this
I doubt this read would change because of how I'll flip (as I claimed), but town has done weirder before so I want to reiterate it

T3 do you still think I should hammer this? Does not sound smart

In post 347, Jacket wrote:

In post 343, cool cookie wrote:

In post 332, T3 wrote:

In post 325, cool cookie wrote:

In post 320, T3 wrote:

In post 299, Jacket wrote:And I'm not saying it being a lie means anything about cool cookie's alignment.

>rand town post btw

disagree. just hedging bets.

Do you really think scum jacket would care that much about being right though?

i saw the chain of events as:

Jacket makes quite bold statement in context of statement
In 320, Jacket begins to walk it back
In next post, when challenged to explain original statement, refuses to even acknowledge it

I think you're full of shit.

nope i had a big shit earlier, all over you

I'd expect protective or investigative as a fake claim.

Vig fakeclaim is risky, as a real vig will just cc with a bullet.

i'm ambivalent about the claim. an outted traitor doesn't serve much purpose for mafia, so there isn't anything we particularly lose by giving redtea a night to prove the claim. gut is i don't buy it though

In post 356, House wrote:Vig fakeclaim is risky, as a real vig will just cc with a bullet.

real vig cant kill a bulletproof traitor

i think if redtea is a vig, i'm ok with chalking it up to real bad luck that they claimed mafia-aligned in a game with a traitor on Day 1.

In post 359, cool cookie wrote:

In post 356, House wrote:Vig fakeclaim is risky, as a real vig will just cc with a bullet.

real vig cant kill a bulletproof traitor

Fair.

I think redtea's reaction to being wagoned is bad.

I kinda want to give them a night to see if there are 2 kills.

If they're town, scum probably does the job for us.

They get nowhere near Elo with that claim.

In post 339, T3 wrote:Eghhhh
I kind of see where jacket is coming from with fua obv scum though

How so?

Complex Vig means redtea can only shoot PRs, right?

In post 365, Three wrote:Complex Vig means redtea can only shoot PRs, right?

Yes

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Complex

If this is a fake claim it'd be super easy to just say that they must have shot a VT. Especially if scum have a role cop or something like that. Or just guess that someone is a VT and then a PR has to be outed for us to lim redtea. We can give it a night but I don't wholesale believe it

Cya tomorrow

Ok. Then if we believe cookie and redtea, that means redtea is also effectively a pseudo cop. The scum team never has Goons in a 2 Mafia + Traitor scenario, so a failed kill should be considered a clear. Redtea can also verify VT claims if any get run up to E-1.

PE:

Dwlee99 wrote:If this is a fake claim it'd be super easy to just say that they must have shot a VT. Especially if scum have a role cop or something like that. Or just guess that someone is a VT and then a PR has to be outed for us to lim redtea. We can give it a night but I don't wholesale believe it

Cya tomorrow

That's a fair point. It's a weird fake claim though if so.

VOTE: Jacket

Obvious scum here.

In post 363, House wrote:I kinda want to give them a night to see if there are 2 kills.

If they're town, scum probably does the job for us.

They get nowhere near Elo with that claim.

The thing is that complex vig is mostly downside. It an only produce an extra kill if it's targeting a PR. Otherwise they just act like there's no kill because they targeted a VT. And if we're to believe the claim about the bulletproof traitor then that' one mafia member that can't be killed. We don't even know if the other mafia are PRs.


The claim also feels very convenient in that it "fits" with cookie's claim. That feels very convenient.

Not that I'm saying we should just end the day. But I don't think it's some role that's so valuable the mafia will be forced to kill it if it's real.

In post 368, Three wrote:The scum team never has Goons in a 2 Mafia + Traitor scenario, so a failed kill should be considered a clear.

I think making assumptions about setup composition based on what you think is balanced is a very bad idea.

I think House’s claim of the real vig being able to CC with a bullet will be proof enough when Day 2 comes. Keep in mind that there a vigilante or someone who shoots people in this game one way or another.

In post 371, Jacket wrote:

In post 368, Three wrote:The scum team never has Goons in a 2 Mafia + Traitor scenario, so a failed kill should be considered a clear.

I think making assumptions about setup composition based on what you think is balanced is a very bad idea.

Cool