[pushes GL to vote him instead of Leading Wagon Dwlee]In post 334, humaneatingmonkey wrote:even if you're not convinced and you nullread him at best, your vote could be productive as it would lead to a gamestate where we have actual wagons.
too crazy to be scumIn post 346, GuiltyLion wrote:I certainly don't see it. Why do you think he is?In post 344, DkKoba wrote:GL, is HEM town?
you're funny norweeIn post 351, NorwegianboyEE wrote:[4] GuiltyLion: Dwlee99, Not Known 15, humaneatingmonkey, DkKoba
[3] Dwlee99: Gamma Emerald, GuiltyLion, Testarossa
[2] Meuh: tictac, marcistar
[1] tictac: Meuh
[1] humaneatingmonkey: Roden
[1] Not voting: ChaosOmega
With 12 players alive, 7 votes are needed for an elimination.
D1: deadline: (expired on 2022-03-29 21:32:48)
coming back to this againIn post 334, humaneatingmonkey wrote:meanwhile, he scumreads me but refuses to do more with my slot than slinging questions on my alignment. why? because he still wants to pressure his nullread Dwlee (whose wagon has fizzled out). why won't he pressure the scum that — in his town!POV — dragging his town name to the ground and engaging him right to his face? the answer is he's not town, and he's trying hard not to escalate.
That's pretty much exactly what I was thinking if I remove you which I feel good doing because I don't think you bus GL here.In post 74, Not Known 15 wrote:What do you make of a POE of {Lion, Testarossa, dkoba/marci}?In post 70, Dwlee99 wrote:This post also sucks. Soft push buddy but vote town is the vibe I'm getting from this.In post 65, Testarossa wrote:marci feels actually slightly town. Not for outing the hood itself, I like the lightheartedness in their posts, feels natural.
Lion's 55 gives me negative vibes. I can't put my finger on it if it feels rather artificial or over the top. Obviously there is more history, I am just not sure what exactly else he was expecting there. Feels more like making more out of it than it actually is.
Then again I agree with him that dwlee's response wasn't great.
VOTE: dwlee99
I don't remember my RVS from passed games so I'd have to go look for myself to even see if I've done it before. I don't think it matters either way though so I don't really feel like checkingIn post 86, GuiltyLion wrote:If you do it frequently, it shouldn't be hard to find another example of it, no? I'm not looking for the specific combo of words, rather just anything like "vote: [x], you were scum last game we played", if that'sIn post 69, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm not going through my past games to look for something as inconsequential as this. Every game I look at the playerlist, pick a name on vibe, decide to give a reason or not based on my mood, then put the first thing that pops into my head down if I do. I've probably not said this combo of words ever because most people haven't snowed me in the specific associative way you did and also that one time we played back in 2016 and I called you scum but my hydra did not agree to lim youeverbeen your reasoning for your first vote.
if you're not willing to do that to help me get over my dislike of your first post, fine, but I don't know why you wouldn't want to help me see you as town here if you're town, it shouldn't be too hard to do a quick survey of past town games and I'll probably wind up doing it myself later regardless
I never said nor meant to imply you were lying about it, I believe you. My issue is rather that you brought it up at all. who cares if koba thinks you are "frozen" or not?? you chose to say your IRL reason for not posting in the game just a couple hours into gamestart, it's the fact that you compelled to do that to reply to Koba that bothers me, not the reasoning itself. if his frozen accusation has no validity because it had no bearing on your alignment, why bring up something that has no bearing on your alignment (being out with friends) in response, especially when it's not like anyone else was agreeing with or sheeping Koba?[/quote]In post 69, Dwlee99 wrote:If you were actually trying to read me you'd see I was specifically responding to Koba calling me frozen and it's slimy af to imply I'd lie about being busy irl
I don't remember my RVS from past games so I'd have to go look for myself to even see if I've done it before. I don't think it matters either way though so I don't really feel like checkingIn post 86, GuiltyLion wrote:If you do it frequently, it shouldn't be hard to find another example of it, no? I'm not looking for the specific combo of words, rather just anything like "vote: [x], you were scum last game we played", if that'sIn post 69, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm not going through my past games to look for something as inconsequential as this. Every game I look at the playerlist, pick a name on vibe, decide to give a reason or not based on my mood, then put the first thing that pops into my head down if I do. I've probably not said this combo of words ever because most people haven't snowed me in the specific associative way you did and also that one time we played back in 2016 and I called you scum but my hydra did not agree to lim youeverbeen your reasoning for your first vote.
if you're not willing to do that to help me get over my dislike of your first post, fine, but I don't know why you wouldn't want to help me see you as town here if you're town, it shouldn't be too hard to do a quick survey of past town games and I'll probably wind up doing it myself later regardless
To explain why it has no bearing on my alignment? I guess I could have just said "I wasn't frozen I was busy" and not explain what I was doing that made me busy but Koba has accused me of this before and me saying I was just not checking the forum has not stopped them from continuing to make the argumentI never said nor meant to imply you were lying about it, I believe you. My issue is rather that you brought it up at all. who cares if koba thinks you are "frozen" or not?? you chose to say your IRL reason for not posting in the game just a couple hours into gamestart, it's the fact that you compelled to do that to reply to Koba that bothers me, not the reasoning itself. if his frozen accusation has no validity because it had no bearing on your alignment, why bring up something that has no bearing on your alignment (being out with friends) in response, especially when it's not like anyone else was agreeing with or sheeping Koba?In post 69, Dwlee99 wrote:If you were actually trying to read me you'd see I was specifically responding to Koba calling me frozen and it's slimy af to imply I'd lie about being busy irl
then the fact that you're doing it totally means you're scumIn post 357, GuiltyLion wrote:just the idea that I specifically need to vote you in order to "engage you right to your face" is frankly absurd, really
I am often accused of many things, but 'pockety' and 'trying not to escalate' are pretty rare on the bingo card, so props for that
this is when it fizzled out
It's probably irrelevant unless it matters for balance. If we exist in a traffic analyst or PT cop setup, there's almost definitely a scum in the neighbors to give immunity to being guiltied. If we don't then it's probably as good as randomIn post 115, marcistar wrote:nono, surely each neighbourhood having a scum is too easy? i think maybe only one neighbourhood would have a scum in itIn post 91, DkKoba wrote:nah HEM you are implying I am scum and are afraid of town!me gaining any power <3 i know scum fear when i see it
ggwp see u next game HEM/NK15/Dwlee
Where did they do this?In post 134, humaneatingmonkey wrote:i dont know if GuiltyLion is the type of scum who would back off a public scumread who is gaining steam after some behind-the-curtain assessment that it's just Dwlee's personality
an excellent question which you'll find never once answered in the subsequent 200 postsIn post 368, Dwlee99 wrote:Where did they do this?In post 134, humaneatingmonkey wrote:i dont know if GuiltyLion is the type of scum who would back off a public scumread who is gaining steam after some behind-the-curtain assessment that it's just Dwlee's personality
so scumIn post 369, GuiltyLion wrote:an excellent question which you'll find never once answered in the subsequent 200 postsIn post 368, Dwlee99 wrote:Where did they do this?In post 134, humaneatingmonkey wrote:i dont know if GuiltyLion is the type of scum who would back off a public scumread who is gaining steam after some behind-the-curtain assessment that it's just Dwlee's personality
here's me explaining it to marciIn post 339, humaneatingmonkey wrote:In post 55, GuiltyLion wrote:Well hello to you too!
VOTE: Dwlee99
Dwlee, can you link me to any prior town games of yours where you RVS voted someone based on a past game together like this? I think this style of RVS intro vote is slightly +scum, it's an easy/convenient reason to plop down your first vote and I'm also a lil pinged that you didn't really say hi or otherwise engage me directlythen his later backtrackIn post 93, GuiltyLion wrote:ehhh actually I'm thinking about this more and I'm not sure it's an especially great pointIn post 86, GuiltyLion wrote:I never said nor meant to imply you were lying about it, I believe you. My issue is rather that you brought it up at all. who cares if koba thinks you are "frozen" or not?? you chose to say your IRL reason for not posting in the game just a couple hours into gamestart, it's the fact that you compelled to do that to reply to Koba that bothers me, not the reasoning itself. if his frozen accusation has no validity because it had no bearing on your alignment, why bring up something that has no bearing on your alignment (being out with friends) in response, especially when it's not like anyone else was agreeing with or sheeping Koba?
I think the main thing I didn't like is this idea that a. because you are out with friends and therefore not frozen scum, b. we're supposed to believe that you're town
but I'm realizing in fairness if youknowyou're town, it might make sense as a response, and I might be assuming/projecting b) when you didn't mean to suggest it to that degree.
I do think you're being defensive but that might be more of a personality trait here
In post 326, GuiltyLion wrote:I got into this exact argument literally just in my last game and I was right about redtea there too, who was being read as town for being "lazy" and not solving and oops turns out the simple obvious explanation was correct and they were scum.
I think townreading Dwlee for this "image management" point is bad. If your argument is that Dwlee knows how to be townread for "image" as scum then they owe it to us to image themself equally as town so that we don't mistakenly suspect them. Being so quick to get defensive at the first sign of pressure from koba is not inherently townie. I don't even care about any of the traitor reaction test stuff cause I can't read it myself, my read is all about the tepid RVS vote and the defensive response to being called frozen.
So when did you realize you hadn't done the thing HEM said you did? Cause it seems here that to were saying you did do it but now you're saying you didn't do it and I don't see following posts going "wait I didn't do that"In post 212, GuiltyLion wrote:I would absolutely do this as scum, just so you knowIn post 134, humaneatingmonkey wrote:i dont know if GuiltyLion is the type of scum who would back off a public scumread who is gaining steam after some behind-the-curtain assessment that it's just Dwlee's personality
which solidifies that there's no good faith in GL right now. pretty interesting how he went from convincing me not to townread Dwlee anymore to being super aggressive after i called him out again is... pretty interesting. not ai, just pretty interesting.In post 369, GuiltyLion wrote:an excellent question which you'll find never once answered in the subsequent 200 posts
an excellent question which you'll find never once answered in the subsequent 200 postsIn post 372, Dwlee99 wrote:So when did you realize you hadn't done the thing HEM said you did? Cause it seems here that to were saying you did do it but now you're saying you didn't do it and I don't see following posts going "wait I didn't do that"
