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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:29 pm
by Flavor Leaf
In post 345, MegAzumarill wrote:Okay but millers should still claim

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:29 pm
by butterchurn
In post 347, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 346, Well Done wrote:
In post 338, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Well Flavor leaf is not pinging town, and they aren't town reading each other evidently.
This doesn't explain why you think that all 3 are non-town

all 3 what
MonkeyMan said that he thought your hood was an all-scum hood. When questioned on this, first he dodged it, then he dodged it again, then finally he walked it back to say that it was a speculation about the setup even when that doesn't make sense given the context. I think that saying something to appear to have a confident stance and then being unable to support it or softening that stance later is becoming a pattern with him, and I think it's highly suspicious.

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:29 pm
by Flavor Leaf
In post 344, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Alignment assignment and role design had a random element; as a result, the setup may break certain common assumptions, such as the idea that a neighborhood cannot be composed entirely of members of the same scumteam.
The first game featured a Mafia Miller.

you quoting this like it's something you assumed i read/knew prior to the post I made even though I clearly quoted this after the post.

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:30 pm
by Flavor Leaf
In post 213, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1, Cephrir wrote:Alignment assignment and role design had a random element; as a result, the setup may break certain common assumptions, such as the idea that a neighborhood cannot be composed entirely of members of the same scumteam. The first game featured a Mafia Miller.
didn't see this.

Okay, so neighborhoods can contain all 3 scum members even.

I still think a Miller, if exists for Mafia, should claim.

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:32 pm
by catboi
In post 338, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Well Flavor leaf is not pinging town, and they aren't town reading each other evidently.
It'd be more concerning if Flavor Leaf was pinging town right now.

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:33 pm
by Flavor Leaf
In post 354, catboi wrote:
In post 338, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Well Flavor leaf is not pinging town, and they aren't town reading each other evidently.
It'd be more concerning if Flavor Leaf was pinging town right now.
stop pocket

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:34 pm
by Well Done
In post 347, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 346, Well Done wrote:
In post 338, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Well Flavor leaf is not pinging town, and they aren't town reading each other evidently.
This doesn't explain why you think that all 3 are non-town

all 3 what
254, 335, 338

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:37 pm
by Well Done
In post 353, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 213, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1, Cephrir wrote:Alignment assignment and role design had a random element; as a result, the setup may break certain common assumptions, such as the idea that a neighborhood cannot be composed entirely of members of the same scumteam. The first game featured a Mafia Miller.
didn't see this.

Okay, so neighborhoods can contain all 3 scum members even.

I still think a Miller, if exists for Mafia, should claim.
Yes, but:

275, 336

They showed that the setup has a random element. Do they think that there are 3 scum in the hood because they have 3 individual scumreads, or is it setup speculation?

If it's the former, explain those scumreads. If it's the latter, explain how that makes sense with what you quoted.

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:38 pm
by Cat Scratch Fever
In post 297, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 268, catboi wrote:
In post 265, MalcolmTucker wrote:How is this game at 11 pages already.
hot take: commenting about the page count is >rand scum
is this actually true or is it just something people say so much that they believe it to be true
I don't have data or anything if that's what you're asking

Though this made me want to go look at Malcolm's past large games to see if he's complained about the same thing before. There's only been one large so far, but the vibe doesn't feel the same so good enough for an early gutread

Spoiler:
Subject: Large Normal 238 | Weiqi, Baduk, Go | Endgame
MalcolmTucker wrote:Lot to catch up on here, will do a readthrough of what I've missed so far.

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:41 pm
by catboi
In post 355, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 354, catboi wrote:
In post 338, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Well Flavor leaf is not pinging town, and they aren't town reading each other evidently.
It'd be more concerning if Flavor Leaf was pinging town right now.
stop pocket
nya

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:45 pm
by Well Done
In post 358, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 297, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 268, catboi wrote:
In post 265, MalcolmTucker wrote:How is this game at 11 pages already.
hot take: commenting about the page count is >rand scum
is this actually true or is it just something people say so much that they believe it to be true
I don't have data or anything if that's what you're asking

Though this made me want to go look at Malcolm's past large games to see if he's complained about the same thing before. There's only been one large so far, but the vibe doesn't feel the same so good enough for an early gutread

Spoiler:
Subject: Large Normal 238 | Weiqi, Baduk, Go | Endgame
MalcolmTucker wrote:Lot to catch up on here, will do a readthrough of what I've missed so far.
Their second post:

Spoiler:
In post 459, MalcolmTucker wrote:Anyway, main reads so far. Wu seems incredibly suspicious so far to me and I'm surprised it took until p11 of the game for Nero to pick up on this. Basically all of their early posts were either jokes or non-comments which allowed them to appear active without getting too involved in the game and actually taking stances either way. If they come back mafia, worth looking at other players early on who had theories but didn't pick up on that.

I didn't necessarily suspect Tenebros on the basis of their early posts but found some of their later defences incredibly weak attempts to divert attention away from them without addressing accusations at-hand.

Yet seems solidly townie so far, if not would be a very bold strategy for mafia playing their first game on the site. Also appears to have a sort of absolute confidence in their reads which can often be townie, mafia maybe more likely to hedge their bets and avoid going too heavily in on someone who could later be confirmed town.


They got right into it compared to what they did in this game which has me raising an eyebrow

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:46 pm
by catboi
In post 358, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 297, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 268, catboi wrote:
In post 265, MalcolmTucker wrote:How is this game at 11 pages already.
hot take: commenting about the page count is >rand scum
is this actually true or is it just something people say so much that they believe it to be true
I don't have data or anything if that's what you're asking

Though this made me want to go look at Malcolm's past large games to see if he's complained about the same thing before. There's only been one large so far, but the vibe doesn't feel the same so good enough for an early gutread

Spoiler:
Subject: Large Normal 238 | Weiqi, Baduk, Go | Endgame
MalcolmTucker wrote:Lot to catch up on here, will do a readthrough of what I've missed so far.
You know, I did the
exact same thing
- although there was less grousing from him in that other game, if you look at the timestamps it was slightly earlier, and he only got out a few posts before stopping and coming back much later. probably really did have to sleep, don't think his intro to this game is AI.

still awarding you credit for process anyway

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:47 pm
by Well Done
In post 276, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 274, Tracer Bullet wrote:you can have actual thoughts now
Ya but I need to read through the thread and I am just home and going to bed. Hence why I shall do it in the morning.
Actually it just looks like they didn't have time to go over the game so I don't think this says that much.

VOTE: MonkeyMan576

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:50 pm
by Cat Scratch Fever
Eh sure

VOTE: MonkeyMan

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:52 pm
by Flavor Leaf
@Monkeyman - was I scum in a 5p Fylo situation with you once in a huge 2v2 like 6-7 years ago? I might've been on the Boonskiies account.

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:57 pm
by MonkeyMan576
I don't remember i'd have to check. Why?

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:57 pm
by Flavor Leaf
just wondering if that was you or another Monkey. Don't remember playing with them again after that really, and it was so long ago.

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:59 pm
by MonkeyMan576
I think we were in a game recently as NoPowerOverMe.

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:02 pm
by Flavor Leaf
Ah, okay. NPOM.

That was a couple years ago, I think at this point.

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:07 pm
by MonkeyMan576
But I still don't hear you town reading your neighbors or them town reading you. So from a town perspective an all scum neighborhood is on the table.

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:18 pm
by Flavor Leaf
In post 369, MonkeyMan576 wrote:But I still don't hear you town reading your neighbors or them town reading you. So from a town perspective an all scum neighborhood is on the table.

not from mine

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:19 pm
by MonkeyMan576
Found the game, for the record:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=400

You somehow weaseled your way out of a elim even though I had semi hard evidence against you.

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:20 pm
by MonkeyMan576
In post 370, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 369, MonkeyMan576 wrote:But I still don't hear you town reading your neighbors or them town reading you. So from a town perspective an all scum neighborhood is on the table.

not from mine
Why would it be 100% off the table?

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:28 pm
by Flavor Leaf
In post 372, MonkeyMan576 wrote:
In post 370, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 369, MonkeyMan576 wrote:But I still don't hear you town reading your neighbors or them town reading you. So from a town perspective an all scum neighborhood is on the table.

not from mine
Why would it be 100% off the table?
because that would require me to be scum.

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:29 pm
by Flavor Leaf
In post 371, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Found the game, for the record:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=400

You somehow weaseled your way out of a elim even though I had semi hard evidence against you.

Oh yeah, OutWorldER and Alchemist best teammates one could ask for.
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