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[Save The Dragons]

eh maybe but i don't really feel that way

[Save The Dragons]

i see town!flea being stubborn and ignoring the fact that there's not 4 scum so at least one town is buying into nancy being scum and probably more, the scum team all jumping in on nancy being scum seems crazy.

there's probably a scum!nancy defender but i don't think it's flea

[Save The Dragons]

watch it be scum!flea town!nancy lol

[humaneatingmonkey]

watch it be scum!flea town!nancy lol

"nothing to see" isn't a defense I'll make for a potential miselim

[humaneatingmonkey]

i see town!flea being stubborn and ignoring the fact that there's not 4 scum so at least one town is buying into nancy being scum and probably more, the scum team all jumping in on nancy being scum seems crazy.

there's probably a scum!nancy defender but i don't think it's flea

i dont think flea thinks there are 4 scum because flea said fae'll laugh at us if nancy flips town

[humaneatingmonkey]

am i using that pronoun right, flea?

[Flea The Magician]

On what planet is Nancy "Caught for the wrong reasons"?

Don't get me wrong, i'm all for whaling on a hydra because 1 head fucked up. There's no fuck up here, there's no slip, no catch, nothing.

And frankly if you go for Nancy/IVD today I'm 99% thats a green flip and I will laugh at the lot of you.

on the planet four of us are in

you're not seeing what we're pointing at? i want to hear from you because you have such a strong read on nancy that i think if you can reframe what we're seeing, maybe you can enlighten us.

No I'm genuinely not seeing whatever you're all seeing.

I'm seeing NM make a usual shitpush against a player whose known for being highly reactive and volatile.
Nancy is responding exactly as Nancy would. There's no "caught for the wrong reasons" - its a shit push and Nancy has a massive bugbear about that kinda stuff. Same honestly - and its the same shit I see happen with many other players honestly. There's a shitty D1 rvs-breaker and the person gets rattled by it.

Nancy is literally the definition of a reactionary player. I'm a reactionary player and Nancy is the standard bearer.

Thing is, Nancy doesn't have a panic going on, she's hitting the points that are coming at her. yes the Olive Branch thing I can see that, I don't see it as scummy. Because I know her mindset and it won't register as such.
Olive Branching is so much more than "heres an inch" - its "heres a full out." by our definition.

This is a solidly town Nancy. There is consistency, there is exactly the emotional range I'd expect from her... and just to top it all off, IVD is active and contributing and is agreeing with her.
Having spoken to Nancy, helped her navigate emotional bullshit and various assaults and attacks at her character, I honestly feel I've got pretty good vibes on her. I am 99% that this is town nancy and ivd.

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As for me defending? I throw deadweight under the bus. I have strong bus meta at this point I believe.
From outside perspective, this is either S/T or T/T. My meta alone stops this being S/S.

[Flea The Magician]

i see town!flea being stubborn and ignoring the fact that there's not 4 scum so at least one town is buying into nancy being scum and probably more, the scum team all jumping in on nancy being scum seems crazy.

there's probably a scum!nancy defender but i don't think it's flea

i dont think flea thinks there are 4 scum because flea said fae'll laugh at us if nancy flips town

Uhm, this is an open game...

SETUP:
there are 8 town and 3 mafia
players start with 2 HP, and die when their HP goes to 0. nobody knows what their HP is other than that it starts at 2. executions occur as normal.

I do actually check the setups, believe it or not.
At least 1 scum is on this wagon, 2 is unlikely but not impossible if NM is actually red and trying to deflect/generate a counterwagon.

[Flea The Magician]

am i using that pronoun right, flea?

Yeah you're good <3 most people at this point just use Flea or call me Fae lol

[humaneatingmonkey]

what i meant was i dont think you think that we are all scum, or that it's a necessarily scum-motivated wagon

[humaneatingmonkey]

or did i get that wrong?

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

Sinatra vs NM is TvT. Can I get the two of you to back off for a moment and reset please?

being real, I think Roden is right about this. NM feels pretty legit, but I think the pressure on Nancy from some of the other slots feels rather disingenuous. StD/Dwlee is where my suspicions primarily lie regarding this.

[Flea The Magician]

what i meant was i dont think you think that we are all scum, or that it's a necessarily scum-motivated wagon

or did i get that wrong?

I've stated my sus rn, which is primarily on you. StD is getting up there but honestly I'm unsure how to read him at this point. I don't think all scum are on this and I would frankly be amazed if all 3 are on there. I do think scum are trying to influence this wagon though.

[Save The Dragons]

im honestly waffling pretty hard

mmm waffles

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: dwlee
out of std/dwlee I want to probe this path further
what are you seeing with nancy sinatra rn?

btw I think one of nancy's reads is pretty indicative that she's got her town mindset going rn

[Roden]

Dwlee is weird right now, they're not really posting much but they're not being particularly lazy or "clean", just kinda of occasionally popping into the thread to dunk on Nancy.

[Dwlee99]

I disagree with flea's wall but I'll admit I haven't fully digested what faer point is yet

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: dwlee
out of std/dwlee I want to probe this path further
what are you seeing with nancy sinatra rn?

btw I think one of nancy's reads is pretty indicative that she's got her town mindset going rn

UNVOTE:

Sinatra vs NM is TvT. Can I get the two of you to back off for a moment and reset please?

being real, I think Roden is right about this. NM feels pretty legit, but I think the pressure on Nancy from some of the other slots feels rather disingenuous. StD/Dwlee is where my suspicions primarily lie regarding this.

This is bad when clearly HEM/STD/Me are all sniffing a similar vibe here. I only don't include NM because his reasoning is more opaque. But regardless, that both HEM and STD are melding with what I've said, means either we are all scum, or that the thought process behind finding Nancy scummy is genuine

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee is weird right now, they're not really posting much but they're not being particularly lazy or "clean", just kinda of occasionally popping into the thread to dunk on Nancy.

Like a booth at a fair

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: dwlee
out of std/dwlee I want to probe this path further
what are you seeing with nancy sinatra rn?

btw I think one of nancy's reads is pretty indicative that she's got her town mindset going rn

UNVOTE:

Sinatra vs NM is TvT. Can I get the two of you to back off for a moment and reset please?

being real, I think Roden is right about this. NM feels pretty legit, but I think the pressure on Nancy from some of the other slots feels rather disingenuous. StD/Dwlee is where my suspicions primarily lie regarding this.

This is bad when clearly HEM/STD/Me are all sniffing a similar vibe here. I only don't include NM because his reasoning is more opaque. But regardless, that both HEM and STD are melding with what I've said, means either we are all scum, or that the thought process behind finding Nancy scummy is genuine

this doesn't actually mean anything that you're all seeing "the same thing"
what is it that you're seeing?

[Dwlee99]

you are playing hella caught for the wrong reasons.

that's a mindmeld if i ever had one

that's a coalition of 4. std, dwlee, n_m and i feel the same way about the same slot. maybe there's something there.

[Roden]

There's a handful of people saying it isn't scummy in return though. I don't think you could make that argument without the opposing side being able to say the same as well.

[Dwlee99]

Imo that's 1.) Less significant of an agreement and 2.) No one is arguing that people defending Nancy are doing so disingenuously

[Roden]

Even saying "well several people find this scummy so it must have some merit" is wrong here because Day 1 mis-elims commonly happen exactly because of that.

Like I'd probably find it more believable if you were accusing Nancy if being level 0 scum and linking past games where's she acted this way as scum. But the consensus from the people accusing her seems to be that they don't normally see her react this way at all.

[Roden]

Imo that's 1.) Less significant of an agreement and 2.) No one is arguing that people defending Nancy are doing so disingenuously

1) How so?

2) I'm not sure what to say here. Do you mean that the people defending her are seen as pure town, as opposed to the ones scum reading having scum in that group? If so, how do you think that affects the situation?