Newbie 2096 | Nathan For You | Endgame

[humaneatingmonkey]

Vote Count 1.03

Spartan117 (3):

Cheapside, Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee

BlueBloodedToffee (2):

Vasex, Spartan117

Not Voting (4):

mq.bosco, Somnus, Rad, whiskey delta

With 9 alive, it's 5 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 1 is June 12 at 3:00 AM GMT +8

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2022-06-12 03:00:00)

Mod Notes:

Sorry about the frequency of votecounts. Will try to be more up-to-date.

[Vasex]

Somnus v-v-very interesting and - suddenly - make me feel nervous. Don't know why. You, Bella, looks towny. Italiano playing not like another game in which I can see him. Vasex is joking like towny. But I can't say that I have some reasons to give scum-role to somebody at this moment.

i liked this post so much. it is pity that that her activity is so low / completely dead

"i liked it" doesn't mean a solid town here. but i feel that we have similar thoughts here about previous pages, but we need to remember that even if she is talking right, playing with right people against right people, it doesn't mean that scum cannot do it

[Rad]

@ rad, I'm starting to think I'm just not making my thoughts explicit enough for you? 325 definitely suggests I'm leaning interpretation one. I think it's a bit odd you aren't acknowledging that it is a weird occurance though: I'd notice it if someone did it to me, like I've noticed bbt sheeping both of my votes.

P-edit tbf when people town or scum read me it often just comes down to 'vibes'. I think I'm not in your face enough for some people.

I'm also leaning #1. Wanted to understand your perspective clearly though.

[Vasex]

Vasex could you please get a pfp?

u mean avatar under nickname? no, it was deleted by evil admins! the picture hurts people. i dont want to hurt people anymore
i'm not hurting people anymore and it feels good
there was rather simple picture of tarantino with his gun, aiming to his head

[Vasex]

Somnus v-v-very interesting and - suddenly - make me feel nervous. Don't know why. You, Bella, looks towny. Italiano playing not like another game in which I can see him. Vasex is joking like towny. But I can't say that I have some reasons to give scum-role to somebody at this moment.

Hello! What alignment was Italiano in the game you're referring to? What do you see him doing differently in this game?

im active now in large normal 239 (alt over90)

here

[Vasex]

btw he is replacing there too
i'm not fully sure, who is he there, but i consider him town there, and not here (not solid thoughts)
he was VERY active on first calendar days of game
here his behaviour is rather strange comparing with that. i agree with bosco about that, but im trying not to play with meta, especially when 1) i don't know italiano well 2) i don't know his role in both current games
we (with bosco) have never played before with him (i guess... maybe i dont remember), and for bosco these two games are first on this forum at all

and i also wasn't very active here, playing other games, so maybe we just shouldn't think about activity etc. for now

[Vasex]

Like Vasex is the only player I know from the list.

strange that he didn't mention bosco, but it is difficult to say i know bosco, because even i don't know bosco well

[Vasex]

Yup and wanted to see who would jump on me.

ah, i see

[Vasex]

I don't really think italiano thinks anyone would jump on that statement, so that whole interaction is weird to me.

nice

VOTE: msq bosco

not nice
im joking, i dont care

[Vasex]

Day One's are boring though and I'd like to speed the process up.

scummy

[Vasex]

speeding up is profitable ONLY for scums ALWAYS
because it will be more difficult for players to solve the game (to find townies, to find scums)

[Vasex]

Pedit - I really don't want to read.

scummy

[whiskey delta]

Also squinting at Somnus right now. I can see what he means by "hey, I did this recently as scum" but I think that dumbs down the intent too much and doesn't taken into account all the rest of Rad's play that goes along with his notes/reevaluation. If it were just the notes, then I would agree, but in this context it looks like an attempt to smear.

I dunno, I get a townie read from somnus for it. A first time town!Somnus is going to look at his successful scum play to find scum, and a town!Somnus claiming he sees me doing the same thing means he truly believes his claim. It could be a scum!Somnus throwing shit to see what sticks though, for sure, but it's reasonable to believe he's town!Somnus spotting similarities.

I think a town!Somnus should really think about it harder. Good scum play emulates town play. So good on you Somnus for pulling that off as scum. You should notice though that it also means that stuff like taking notes, analyzing, reanalyzing, and sharing my thoughts along the way is a townie thing to do. If it wasn't, why would you have tried to emulate that as scum? So am I doing it as an honest townie, or am I scum trying to look useful like you did in your scum game? Am I adding to the town or muddying the waters? Base your read on stuff like that rather than "he's doing a thing I did when I was scum."

Your take is fine but I still think him pointing that out by itself is being reductionist at best. Taking one post out of your stream and saying "I did this as scum so maybe they are scum too" removes the nuance of how you are handling those notes, etc. So yeah, maybe they just didn't think it all the way through but it still stuck out to me.

[Vasex]

What is your opinion of your scum-game, Somnus?

i think i've already seen that stupid question wtf, why do you need that from him? just some useless offtopic - just to make fake activity and illusion of willing to solve the game

scums are usually boring to read the thread and solve the game, because they've already known everything!

[Vasex]

You wanna start a wagon with me?

in vacuum this is a towny question usually, especially after repeating it often to players, and analysing their answers (scum can easily agree with that - and this is bad sometimes)

[Vasex]

Also, let me rephrase an earlier question.

How do you expect your town game to differ from your scum game?

Hard to say less than 48 hours in. Less concerned with my potential death, I guess? I don't really know how to answer that.

somnus rocks for townie , he is a top player here

[Vasex]

mafia dont know what to do with somnus, they are hidding and replacing theirselves asap

[Vasex]

I have been playing this on and off since 2015, a couple games every 2 years, think my first game was with Bella in 2015 and my second was with our almighty mod Humaneatingmonkey in 2017, so its fair to say im pretty rusty.

rusty? i'm t-rex then

[Vasex]

if i skip someone's post , it means null read, nothing to say
like spartan's entrance

[Vasex]

my townreads: somnus, cheapside, bosco, maybe bella, rad
some of them are not very townie, but i don't want to elim them

yeah, confirmed, after rereading nothing changes before my 152 post
maybe i'm too hurry to add rad in townlist, i need to be more careful with this slot

[Vasex]

and also with bosco
but good good

[Vasex]

I get a feeling of truthfulness on Somnus's scumhunting pressing on Vasex, one thing Somnus would struggle with being his first townie game is to find legitimate reads.
As scum it doesnt matter if your reads dont actually result in an elim its more about deception and shifting blame or attention elsewhere away from the scum team, town can miselim someone so long as scum keep the attention off themselves.
So when we are town our reads matter more and is then on everyone else to try and distinguish whos reads are trying to scumhunt and whos are casting a shroud or push attention elsewhere.
This is partly why I feel it is more townie to not care if you are scumread and play to get reactions and get reads from people even if it results in you being eliminated because that gives town more to work with Day 2 rather than flat stagnant Day 1 with no leads for Day 2.

Personally I am town leaning Somnus, Vasex and Cheapside.

I am mostly null on the other slots need to spend more time analysing Bella and Toffees posts, I dont see how there is enough to get much of a read from Bosco, Whiskey and Cheapside although I liked Cheapsides posts. I felt a townie lean on Italiano but im not so sure on his replacement Toffee

Currently I am happy to put my vote on VOTE: Rad

i'm falling asleap reading this, but his position is almost fine. townlean italiano is rather bad, but rad is susp (bella susps him too), and the list of townies is good i think. for the second post - almost rvs - not bad for now

[Vasex]

So this guy comes in first thing, uninterested in reading a meager 5 pages to catch up, tries to get a wagon vote going with the basis of "nothing else to do day 1", lays a vote on Somnus because he "respects his scum game" of which the guy's had a whole 2 wins and 1 loss... and in the process paints himself as scum. I was already leaning scum on Italiano, who he's replacing.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

goood goooood

[Vasex]

oh, i forgot to say! english proverbs!

Come on man, I was gonna claim scum and now I have to lie about being town!

is she in your PT with you?

Yes.

Birds of a feather flock together.
They are cut from the same cloth.
Did you see that?
This slot has already scumclaimed twice on first pages of the game !

[Vasex]

Somnus:

Honestly confusing. Guess I'd better look through their scum games at some point. In some ways I'd expect weirder takes from Town!Somnus than Scum!Somnus. Irritation seems genuine.

Bellaphant: active, worked through the Vasex thing, tried to calm things down, stop anything exploding D1. Probably town unless scum with Somnus or very keen on eliminating a strong town player.
Vasex: meming but active, helped create content.

Also townread me rapidly, so definitely town.

Rad: Dubious, lots of fluff with little commitment - weak general or uninteresting questions, calls to town to post more, kinda nothingy posts like 100, 98, 95. I'm leaning scum. Okay, his last post was a commitment, it was a vote on blue and a weak attack on mq. The other way around might have been something, but...
Italiano/BlueBlooded: Not sure. Italiano pointing out that nobody picked up on his joking scumclaim... weird. Odd try for townie-points? Blue agressively pushing for a wagon, feels like a strong vet, won't be easily read D1.
mqbosco: she hasn't been around a great deal. Interactions have involved noncomittal townreads.

Without more posts to actually base an analysis on, I would actively seek the elimination here.

I've seen scum lurk to a win before, it's not a fun time.
whiskydelta: has... four posts? Haven't found a way to filter the thread for their posts. Hasn't done much.

Would be my policy elimination if we didn't have less from mqbosco.

Need to see more.
Jackal/Spartan: Obviously jackal doesn't exist.

Spartan hasn't had time for much yet but I like his posting style

. Odd that he feels the need to monologue on what's happening, but hey, maybe that's just how he gets his thoughts together. Townlean on the newer players, esp. me, a bit suspect. It's not like I'm going to just do what he likes because he townread me. Aaaaanyway,

things i dont like in this readlist

well, i dont know about whole picture. i somehow liked heavy brave attack to Rad, though i cannot say that i think in the same way...

the most bad thing here in my opinion - that he is going (AND VERY READY) to elim the most inactive slots like bosco and WD... really? seriously? counting their posts to elim the lurkest one? this is very scummy. BUT, on the other hand, 1) he can motivate them to post more, this is townie thing, at least can be 2) he can be a newbie (from my view), who really thinks that this is a key to victory for town - to elim all people, who almost have no posts (and he can have experience that proves this is often true) 3) and i need to say that sometime mafia is lurking and it is possible to hit it eliming such slots; but usually this is not so easy, my friends ; however it is better to elim towny low-active player, than towny top-poster on day 1... well, this is not important talks, because it is always better to search for mafia with good arguments. If all mafia is situated in low-posters, then before eliming them you need to find and prove all other active players as townies