Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:14 am
I don't like the dismissive tone in BBTs posts because it seems like its not productive towards doing anything BUT producing defensiveness and certainly not in solving for alignment.
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:14 am
I think you have your answer.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:15 am
ISO me?In post 348, Elements wrote:which one?In post 345, BlueBloodedToffee wrote: PEdit - Hey Elements, I asked you a question earlier, would you mind going back and answering it?
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:16 am
I didn't even say the defensiveness was AI and anyone who has played games with me will know that I don't think defensiveness is a scum tell whatsoever. I was just surprised that the whole tone of the post was as defensive as it was.In post 351, Thestatusquo wrote:I think you have your answer.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:18 am
Ok, can you answer me this then. If you're not saying that its alignment indicative, what is your point in pointing it out using a buzz word like "overdefensive" which is frequently associated with scumminess? If you're not saying its scummy it seems an awful lot like well poisoning to me.
What are you trying to accomplish in your questions with Eirolox? Because it seems to me a lot like you're grandstanding with no particular purpose towards discerning alignment.
What are you trying to accomplish in your questions with Eirolox? Because it seems to me a lot like you're grandstanding with no particular purpose towards discerning alignment.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:20 am
I didn't even use the buzzword of 'overdefensive' that you keep referencing. I said 'Defensive much'. This isn't even a big thing and is certainly not the bulk of what was my response to Eira so why are you focusing on that?
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:22 am
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:22 am
effortIn post 352, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:ISO me?In post 348, Elements wrote:which one?In post 345, BlueBloodedToffee wrote: PEdit - Hey Elements, I asked you a question earlier, would you mind going back and answering it?
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:24 am
OK, can you explain why they ping you?
Cheeky scum? I like it.
Cheeky scum? I like it.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:26 am
Not satisfactorilyIn post 358, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:OK, can you explain why they ping you?
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:26 am
So this is fun, because what I'm doing here is a reaction test called "deliberately weak argument."In post 355, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I didn't even use the buzzword of 'overdefensive' that you keep referencing. I said 'Defensive much'. This isn't even a big thing and is certainly not the bulk of what was my response to Eira so why are you focusing on that?
Which is where I make a post with a bunch of interaction points in it and one of them is "deliberately weak." I.e. a point thats easily refuted and responded to whereas the others require actual work or analysis.
The reason it is effective is a psychological difference in how town and scum tend to argue, where scum are generally arguing to win an argument and town are generally arguing to discern alignment. Town is very interested in engaging with the actual meat of a post and discussing where the differences lie whereas scum tend to be more interested in discerning alignment.
This is one of the more blatant fails of the deliberately weak argument test that I've ever seen. Obviously you didnt say over defensive, but I fail to see how that is relevant to the questions I asked you which you completely ignored in order to ridicule me for using the wrong turn of phrase.
anyway VOTE: BBT
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:26 am
*eyeroll*In post 358, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Cheeky scum? I like it.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:27 am
*scum tend to be more interested in winning the argument and less interested in discerning alingnment
is what that last line of the third paragraph should read.
is what that last line of the third paragraph should read.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:27 am
That definitely isn't what you did.In post 346, Thestatusquo wrote:I hate "overdefensive" as a thing that people say in mafia games.
It's a buzzword that means nothing. Townies defend themselves. Sometimes excessively. Overdefensiveness is not alignment indicative in literally any way.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:28 am
Yes, it is.
In post 354, Thestatusquo wrote:Ok, can you answer me this then. If you're not saying that its alignment indicative, what is your point in pointing it out using a buzz word like "overdefensive" which is frequently associated with scumminess? If you're not saying its scummy it seems an awful lot like well poisoning to me.
What are you trying to accomplish in your questions with Eirolox? Because it seems to me a lot like you're grandstanding with no particular purpose towards discerning alignment.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:28 am
Where are the other points that are the so called "meat" of the confrontation?
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:29 am
ah, thank you
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:30 am
And clearly my questioning of why you were focusing on such a non aspect of my post was me questioning your alignment.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:30 am
You're scrambling now and you're still not answering my questions.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:31 am
Whether you said overdefensive or defensive much was completely irrelevant to my questions. And yet it was the only thing you chose to respond to in order to try to win the argument.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:31 am
No, it isn't.In post 364, Thestatusquo wrote:Yes, it is.
In post 354, Thestatusquo wrote:Ok, can you answer me this then. If you're not saying that its alignment indicative, what is your point in pointing it out using a buzz word like "overdefensive" which is frequently associated with scumminess? If you're not saying its scummy it seems an awful lot like well poisoning to me.
What are you trying to accomplish in your questions with Eirolox? Because it seems to me a lot like you're grandstanding with no particular purpose towards discerning alignment.
Again, the bulk, the first and the main point of this post is the overdefensiveness and that is clearly the aspect of the conversation that I was engaged in.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:32 am
Is this that thing where no matter what I post I'm flailing? Flapping? Scrambling? etc etc.
This isn't a newbie.
This isn't a newbie.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:32 am
In post 369, Thestatusquo wrote:Whether you said overdefensive or defensive much was completely irrelevant to my questions. And yet it was the only thing you chose to respond to in order to try to win the argument.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:32 am
Swap in "defensive much" and the questions are the same.
That was my whole point of doing this.
That was my whole point of doing this.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:33 am
You don't know how to respond so you keep trying to discredit me ineffectively.In post 371, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Is this that thing where no matter what I post I'm flailing? Flapping? Scrambling? etc etc.
This isn't a newbie.
It's classic caught scum.