Warrior Cats Mafia [Day Three]

[Bell]

I dunno what your fixation is on clan stuff. But I just scum read Datisi because their approach aligns with what I think of as their scum game.
It honestly seems like you're failing to apply ockham's razor here and making an assumption based on flavor. It's a waste of glucose, but okay.

Er, I've probably confronted 2 or more people and been giving takes unrelated to Datisi, so I guess you're not paying attention because I don't really see what benefit you get from making stuff up that clearly doesn't fit what I'm actually doing.

THIS IS THE ONLY VOTE I SEE IN YOUR ISO:

VOTE: datisi?

I'M NOT SEEING VERY MUCH IN THE WAY OF WORDS WITHIN YOUR ISO WHICH I CAN CHARACTERIZE AS CONFRONTATIONAL OTHER THAN YOUR PUSH ON DATISI. IN FACT, I WOULD DESCRIBE YOUR ISO AS QUITE PENSIVE BOTH IN COMPARISON TO OTHER PLAYERS AND TO YOUR OWN TOWN META. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU DISAGREE WITH ABOUT MY STATEMENT?

I dunno why you think me having only voted one person is evidence that I'm not confrontational. Heck, I usually don't vote much.
Yes, I disagree with your opinion about my town meta. I know my town meta best afterall and I'm genuinely unsure where you got the idea I'm more pensive this game than all the other games in which I've been pensive. Because I'm *really* pensive. And then I'm not.
I don't even think my push on datisi is confrontational, but I'd argue in terms of potentially stepping on toes Catboi and Datisi would be two.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET FURTHER CLARITY FROM THE MODERATOR ABOUT WHEN/HOW ALIGNMENT WAS RANDOMIZED?

basically I think having a designated amount of scum per hood is bad design practice because it rewards people for making arbitrary assumptions about neighborhood just because they exist. In particular with the whole game being this setup it just makes more sense things would be random and it couldn't easily be metagamed - like, trying to answer the question "would to mod make the stray be scum" isn't really mafia because you're trying to guess what someone who isn't a player in the game was thinking. Whereas if it's purely randomyou have to actually bother to sort that player. I don't know ydrasse's design sense specifically, I'm not claiming to have any insider knowledge, but I imagine she'd trend toward not letting the setup be easily metagamed like that.

I UNDERSTAND MUCH BETTER NOW AND WILL KEEP THIS IN MIND MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING. I FEEL LIKE YOU ARE PROBABLY CORRECT. I MIGHT GO BACK AND RE-EVALUATE SOME OF MY READS.

[catboi]

139 - 148 doesn't feel real to me and I think I'm fixating on it.

VOTE: Marashu

I went back and thought about this. Those posts just look like regular early game banter to me, I could see an exceptionally paranoid mind going s/s there but the "I think I'm fixating on it" is a very odd choice of verbiage. It feels like a bit of self-narration meant to make it

look

like Marashu is thinking about things but comes across as unnatural. It's more concerned with talking about

what

he's doing over

why

he's doing it, if that makes sense.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

Spoiler:

IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET FURTHER CLARITY FROM THE MODERATOR ABOUT WHEN/HOW ALIGNMENT WAS RANDOMIZED?

basically I think having a designated amount of scum per hood is bad design practice because it rewards people for making arbitrary assumptions about neighborhood just because they exist. In particular with the whole game being this setup it just makes more sense things would be random and it couldn't easily be metagamed - like, trying to answer the question "would to mod make the stray be scum" isn't really mafia because you're trying to guess what someone who isn't a player in the game was thinking. Whereas if it's purely randomyou have to actually bother to sort that player. I don't know ydrasse's design sense specifically, I'm not claiming to have any insider knowledge, but I imagine she'd trend toward not letting the setup be easily metagamed like that.

I UNDERSTAND MUCH BETTER NOW AND WILL KEEP THIS IN MIND MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING. I FEEL LIKE YOU ARE PROBABLY CORRECT. I MIGHT GO BACK AND RE-EVALUATE SOME OF MY READS.

FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH I WAS IMAGINING SOME KIND OF PUZZLE BOX SETUP (WHICH I ENJOY) AND MAY HAVE BEEN BIASED BY THE DIVIDE AND CONQUER GAME I JUST COMPLETED. NOW THAT YOU'VE FRAMED THE

IMPACT

OF THE DESIGN CHOICE FOR ME, I CAN ACCEPT I WAS LIKELY JUST PROJECTING THINGS I WAS ALREADY THINKING ABOUT INTO MY SETUP SPEC RATHER THAN THINKING CRITICALLY ABOUT WHAT IS MORE LIKELY TO EXIST.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

139 - 148 doesn't feel real to me and I think I'm fixating on it.

VOTE: Marashu

I went back and thought about this. Those posts just look like regular early game banter to me, I could see an exceptionally paranoid mind going s/s there but the "I think I'm fixating on it" is a very odd choice of verbiage. It feels like a bit of self-narration meant to make it

look

like Marashu is thinking about things but comes across as unnatural. It's more concerned with talking about

what

he's doing over

why

he's doing it, if that makes sense.

IT'S AWKWARD BECAUSE THIS POINT ABOUT DATISI AND BELL IS PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY THING MARASHU AND I HAVE AGREED ON. I DO HAVE AN EXCEPTIONALLY PARANOID MIND THOUGH. I AM NOT SURE IF MARASHU GENUINELY SHARES THIS TRAIT OR IS LEANING INTO IT AS A PERSONA.

[catboi]

IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET FURTHER CLARITY FROM THE MODERATOR ABOUT WHEN/HOW ALIGNMENT WAS RANDOMIZED?

basically I think having a designated amount of scum per hood is bad design practice because it rewards people for making arbitrary assumptions about neighborhood just because they exist. In particular with the whole game being this setup it just makes more sense things would be random and it couldn't easily be metagamed - like, trying to answer the question "would to mod make the stray be scum" isn't really mafia because you're trying to guess what someone who isn't a player in the game was thinking. Whereas if it's purely randomyou have to actually bother to sort that player. I don't know ydrasse's design sense specifically, I'm not claiming to have any insider knowledge, but I imagine she'd trend toward not letting the setup be easily metagamed like that.

I UNDERSTAND MUCH BETTER NOW AND WILL KEEP THIS IN MIND MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING. I FEEL LIKE YOU ARE PROBABLY CORRECT. I MIGHT GO BACK AND RE-EVALUATE SOME OF MY READS.

fwiw it's roughly an 80% chance of at least 1 scum in a hood if I'm right so it's totally fine to solve people in groups based on hoods, at least in the early game, if it helps you to think about things better.

I'm personally not paying much attention to the hood groupings outside my own though.

[Shiidaji]

VOTE: Somethin_Smart

hello hi!! I have coarse, thick steel-gray fur and purr when you stroke my chin gonna go read clan pt then sleep xoxo

[SCRRRDBEAR]

fwiw it's roughly an 80% chance of at least 1 scum in a hood if I'm right so it's totally fine to solve people in groups based on hoods, at least in the early game, if it helps you to think about things better.

I'm personally not paying much attention to the hood groupings outside my own though

YES, IT IS ACTUALLY HELPING ME A LITTLE BIT TO THINK THAT WAY!

[Dannflor]

IF ALISAE TRUSTS NORWEGIANBOY AND VAL AND ALISAE ARE BOTH STARCLAN DUE TO THEIR IMPULSIVITY AND CONVICTION, WHO IS LEFT IN WIND CLAN? WINDCLAN SEEMS EASY TO TRUST OVERALL AND IS THE GROUP I FEEL SECOND-MOST-COMFORTABLE HUNTING DARK ONES IN.

I don't think impulsivity and conviction are towntells for Alisae but I do feel like the way they responded to Val's case on them was towny in that it has a dose of self-righteous townie indignation to it and I didn't really grok what Val's arguments were supposed to be. (I am admittedly biased because I'm happy to be in a game with Alisae again though)

what specifically are you detecting as "self-righteous townie" here?

[SCRRRDBEAR]

I dunno what your fixation is on clan stuff. But I just scum read Datisi because their approach aligns with what I think of as their scum game.
It honestly seems like you're failing to apply ockham's razor here and making an assumption based on flavor. It's a waste of glucose, but okay.

Er, I've probably confronted 2 or more people and been giving takes unrelated to Datisi, so I guess you're not paying attention because I don't really see what benefit you get from making stuff up that clearly doesn't fit what I'm actually doing.

THIS IS THE ONLY VOTE I SEE IN YOUR ISO:

VOTE: datisi?

I'M NOT SEEING VERY MUCH IN THE WAY OF WORDS WITHIN YOUR ISO WHICH I CAN CHARACTERIZE AS CONFRONTATIONAL OTHER THAN YOUR PUSH ON DATISI. IN FACT, I WOULD DESCRIBE YOUR ISO AS QUITE PENSIVE BOTH IN COMPARISON TO OTHER PLAYERS AND TO YOUR OWN TOWN META. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU DISAGREE WITH ABOUT MY STATEMENT?

I dunno why you think me having only voted one person is evidence that I'm not confrontational. Heck, I usually don't vote much.
Yes, I disagree with your opinion about my town meta. I know my town meta best afterall and I'm genuinely unsure where you got the idea I'm more pensive this game than all the other games in which I've been pensive. Because I'm *really* pensive. And then I'm not.
I don't even think my push on datisi is confrontational, but I'd argue in terms of potentially stepping on toes Catboi and Datisi would be two.

I THINK THIS IS A GOOD RESPONSE BUT I CAN ONLY NULL READ YOU AT BEST FOR IT.

ALSO, I DISAGREE THAT YOU (COLLECTIVE) KNOW YOUR OWN TOWN META BEST, BECAUSE THAT IS YOUR EGO SPEAKING, AND I DO NOT BELIEVE YOUR EGO IS ACTUALLY THE BEST SOURCE OF INFORMATION FOR HOW YOU ARE PERCEIVED BY OTHERS.

VOTE: Somethin_Smart

hello hi!! I have coarse, thick steel-gray fur and purr when you stroke my chin gonna go read clan pt then sleep xoxo

FOS SHIIDAJI

[SCRRRDBEAR]

ALSO, I DISAGREE THAT YOU (COLLECTIVE) KNOW YOUR OWN TOWN META BEST, BECAUSE THAT IS YOUR EGO SPEAKING, AND I DO NOT BELIEVE YOUR EGO IS ACTUALLY THE BEST SOURCE OF INFORMATION FOR HOW YOU ARE PERCEIVED BY OTHERS.

OR FOR WHAT YOU ARE CAPABLE OF DOING TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM LOSS.

[Alisae]

FOS SHIIDAJI

YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE WHAT HE JUST POSTED IN HOOD OH MY GOD

[SCRRRDBEAR]

FOS SHIIDAJI

YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE WHAT HE JUST POSTED IN HOOD OH MY GOD

LOL TRY ME

[Datisi]

But, Dr Worm wasn’t a really doctor. So you’re not really scrrrd.

SHARP PENGUIN. DO YOU WANT TO VOTE SOMEONE IN OUR CLAN TODAY?

STOP.GIVING.INFO.WHEN.WE.DONT.KNOW.MAJORITY.OF.SETUP.
VOTE: SCRRRRBEAR

why did you have this reaction *now*, and not in the last x-many times that someone commented to be in one hood or being in a hood with someone else?

furthermore, why did you vote him over it? do you think that is scummy?

[Alisae]

ok I think I have parsed this post.

townreads bell for 24. (Honestly, not bad)
31 gives him "bad vibes." Guy goes on to say it comes from the formatting of the post (You cannot make up how he described what it is he did to describe what he felt about the formatting/spacing)
likes 41
doesn't agree w/ 51
52 i just don't get what is going on with his commentary here at all??? (I think this guy is reading into RVS stuff way too much)
likes 61
doesn't like 73 (???????????????)
said 99 was tmi (??????????????)
liked dann
liked 112
likes fa feels like she is explaining her push well (whatever the fuck that means)
says ceph could be scum for being snippy (Isn't that just how Ceph is. I mean can't blame him for not knowing)
likes 204
doesn't like 234
likes misty

[Datisi]

Datisi

are all probably town though?

why

[Dannflor]

is putting all solving in hood more likely to come from town or scum

open question i honestly dont know

[Datisi]

is putting all solving in hood more likely to come from town or scum

open question i honestly dont know

personally i think it's more likely to come from town because
(1) i love posting in pts as town more than in the main thread and yes i am projecting here
(2) scum would want everyone else to see them as townie, not just their hood members; and having "but they're solving in hood!!" from their hood mates won't ever be convincing to anyone because people often think you get pocketed in a hood

[Alisae]

Datisi

are all probably town though?

why

Your FA read in 99 (also mentioning the two reads you mentioned in post are unrelated is good)
I get it and I can see why someone would think that what she is doing is scummy, and honestly if it was someone else that wasn't FA and someone I didn't know I would have been onboard w/ it.

Me personally I am happy calling FA town because she found something to latch onto during RVS and is doing just what she can with it. I don't know if this sounds coherent, but I feel like she is hunting and I feel like it's enough for at least this day phase to just not worry about the slot. This is something I associated with the person, and as weird as this sounds, I don't exactly remember how it is I associate it with her? She's just the type of player to find what she can work with in RVS, and use that to try to get out, enter, and begin hunting.

In short I think this is just how she hunts.

[Alisae]

is putting all solving in hood more likely to come from town or scum

open question i honestly dont know

I mean my first reaction was "omg are we actually reading hard into posts pre 100. Are we ACTUALLY saying SS is scum and that Charloux is DEFENSIVE??? What is going on in this post" but as I was reading along with it, there were somethings that made, sense, somethings that didn't and somethings about the post that just seemed townie?

Honestly, if he is scum, and he reads the hood, I'm not sure why he would post that??? Maybe it just makes more sense that the intent is to spew himself to his hood??? Honestly that makes more sense if he's just a villager doing his thing and posting that kind of post, it seems, out of touch if anything?

[Datisi]

But I just scum read Datisi because their approach aligns with what I think of as their scum game.

can you talk about this a bit more

[Datisi]

In general I tend to think Datisi is workman-scum. They think content+Activity = a shield.
And it's their go to shield. How they approached my poke and their generic statements this early felt like they were aligning with that approach.
I'd like to sit on it, but I just never can help myself.

imagine reading before posting something

i don't think this assessment is exactly wrong of my scumgame, but i'm not sure where you get the idea that my game was like, focused on content and activity here

you mentioned in 345 that me being like "wrong" because i thought that would look the best - but that's like, not content and barely activity?

so how are you fitting that post within the scumtisi framework you laid out

[Datisi]

shit fuck i need to start getting ready for class, fuck page 15 i guess

alisae vibes townie because they kinda feel honest in their approach to the game and i also completely understand the annoyance with val because god knows i've been there
also now i think norwee is townie bc i'm kinda lowkey sheeping alisae on that and also if he's posting in hood, that makes sense why he's kinda underwhelming

unrelated to those two, scrrdbear is town

everything in me is screaming that val is scum but have been wrong before

@penguin, why did you vote 2nd leading wagon instead leading wagon (are you a competing wagons kinda penguin, i forget)

VOTE: charloux - 363

[Dannflor]

VOTE: datisi

[fireisredsir]

VOTE: datisi