Mini 1524: Olympian Gods Mafia - Game Over

[shos]

hey I wonder what happens if I live another night and bribe again

[Whiskers]

Actually, why would Nacho, in a Nacho-shos scumteam, confirm that I neighborized him? Instead, just claim Whiskers is lying, and mislynch whiskers. Nacho-Whiskers makes more sense, doesn't it?

Anyway, a couple of things occurred to me. First thing was, Oh, I forgot Shos guaranteed a Neighborizer; since I'm the last neighborizer, and town, he must by lying (and so I should vote him).
Second thing though, was that, we're assuming all of the claims are true. I

still

don't like that damn bomb claim. What if, say, Desp, were a scum neighborizer? Mala died before she could get any results, the use of a roleblocker has made Eagle useless (or Eagle is lying scum, and is therefore useless regardless).

[shos]

Actually, why would Nacho, in a Nacho-shos scumteam, confirm that I neighborized him? Instead, just claim Whiskers is lying, and mislynch whiskers. Nacho-Whiskers makes more sense, doesn't it?

"after you guys lynch me and I flip scum,

mis

lynch nacho, he's

a townie

my buddy"

Anyway, a couple of things occurred to me. First thing was, Oh, I forgot Shos guaranteed a Neighborizer; since I'm the last neighborizer, and town, he must by lying (and so I should vote him).

oh really it's not like I repeated that like a million times -_-;

why, after understanding this twelve times, are you not voting me? It's not that I am so eager to be voted, but I really don't understand you here, that doesn't make sense as either alignment.

Second thing though, was that, we're assuming all of the claims are true. I

still

don't like that damn bomb claim. What if, say, Desp, were a scum neighborizer? Mala died before she could get any results, the use of a roleblocker has made Eagle useless (or Eagle is lying scum, and is therefore useless regardless).

and you once again attempt to make town mislynch nacho after we lynch you

holy shit

UNVOTE:

goddamn you

[shos]

fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.

I never considered someone

else

being neighbourizer

[shos]

that actually makes more sense, in lowering town's power maybe?????

[shos]

well it can't be des because that wouldn't make any difference balance wise; it can be the bomb nacho, or the cop eagle.

this is problem.

[shos]

bomb is more powerful than weak

[shos]

but weak cop would mean that scum must have a roleblocker

[shos]

the only team that doesn't make sense for me is Des-whiskers. this leaves way too many options right now. I'm officially waiting on you guys now.

[Whiskers]

well it can't be des because that wouldn't make any difference balance wise; it can be the bomb nacho, or the cop eagle.

this is problem.

Oh, nacho is the bomb? That's huge, actually.

Ok, there are loads of reasons for scum to claim bomb. Or, ok, not loads of them, more like one very big reason: it explains not being nightkill.

the only team that doesn't make sense for me is Des-whiskers. this leaves way too many options right now. I'm officially waiting on you guys now.

Remind me of Des's claim? He's Hades or something, isn't he? For some reason, I thought

he

was the bomb.


Shos, have you been in LyLo as scum before? Can you link me to such a scenario?

[shos]

Usually I'd put a bomb claim in a position to help one explain how they don't get NKed. but in this game, with Eagle's claim, and the masons, nacho didn't

need

that to explain why he is alive. so that claim makes no sense as a fakeclaim.. bomb dies AND kills its killer, right?

Des is a soul or something, don't remember the name, but he claimed to be able to vote after death. that's really under the radar.
and both unconfirmable.

I probably have been a scum in lylo; but I haven't been scum in like a dozen years so starting to dig up is meh.
last scum game I can remember was multiball so I really was scumhunting...

[Elyse]

Votecount is unchanged. No one is voting.

[1baldeagle1]

Ok, I'm confused.

What are the claims again.

I need the clear claims from you guys so I can think clearly.

[Whiskers]

Usually I'd put a bomb claim in a position to help one explain how they don't get NKed. but in this game, with Eagle's claim, and the masons, nacho didn't

need

that to explain why he is alive. so that claim makes no sense as a fakeclaim.. bomb dies AND kills its killer, right?

No, it makes great sense as a fakeclaim. He doesn't get killed by mafia. He's necessarily pro-town (excepting a vig; we haven't had one). It's unconfirmable, as you say, so Nacho doesn't have a reason to try to prove it, doesn't need to make up any night-action results, because he's passive.

Instead, he sits around and roleblocks eagle.

[shos]

Thats about the same as claiming VT, which makes much more sense as a fakeclaim, since it gets you much less attention, and it makesbsuper sense with the load of claims weve had.

[shos]

Why is it only me and whiskers talking? People need to weigh in.

[Elyse]

Prodded Nachomamma8 and Desperado. Votecount remains unchanged.

[Nachomamma8]

You didnt prod me, you lying liar who lies.

[Elyse]

...

[Nachomamma8]

VOTE: whiskers

Willing to 1v1.

Unvote.

Now.

Scum can hammer and they might have daytalk.

No one fucking votes.

shos's claim means scum can't have a roleblocker
sooo

how do you know that?

Whiskers/Bald and Shos/Nacho are the only two viable teams

Why not you/whiskers?

You said that scum have a neighborizer and an encryptor, and there's a ninja flipped, so yeah, no roleblocker.

[Nachomamma8]

no I'm trying to discredit your result. eagle does not have to be scum if whiskers flips scum.

I don't understand the role interactions you're trying to get here. for example, why can't a nacho-whiskers team be?

[Nachomamma8]

Actually, why would Nacho, in a Nacho-shos scumteam, confirm that I neighborized him? Instead, just claim Whiskers is lying, and mislynch whiskers. Nacho-Whiskers makes more sense, doesn't it?

Anyway, a couple of things occurred to me. First thing was, Oh, I forgot Shos guaranteed a Neighborizer; since I'm the last neighborizer, and town, he must by lying (and so I should vote him).
Second thing though, was that, we're assuming all of the claims are true. I

still

don't like that damn bomb claim. What if, say, Desp, were a scum neighborizer? Mala died before she could get any results, the use of a roleblocker has made Eagle useless (or Eagle is lying scum, and is therefore useless regardless).

Who assumed all the claims were true?

[Desperado]

Why is it only me and whiskers talking? People need to weigh in.

I've already weighed in. I think it's either Bald/Whiskers or Shos/Nacho and I'm leaning the former.

[Nachomamma8]

Usually I'd put a bomb claim in a position to help one explain how they don't get NKed. but in this game, with Eagle's claim, and the masons, nacho didn't

need

that to explain why he is alive. so that claim makes no sense as a fakeclaim.. bomb dies AND kills its killer, right?

Des is a soul or something, don't remember the name, but he claimed to be able to vote after death. that's really under the radar.
and both unconfirmable.

I probably have been a scum in lylo; but I haven't been scum in like a dozen years so starting to dig up is meh.
last scum game I can remember was multiball so I really was scumhunting...

The top paragraph is my response to Whiskers although that should have been pretty fucking obvious already.

[Nachomamma8]

I'd be willing to buy Shos/Nacho, maybe, but again, why do you remove yourself from the lynchpool, desp?

@Eagle: Because that's how I do things. Generally I write

forward

, if that makes any sense. I was willing to vote fitz at that point, and then I decided, no, I wanted to unvote him and explain why. I changed my mind mid-post. And there wasn't any problem in doing it, because I was just putting him at L-1 at most, anyway. I'll admit that I was careless, and hadn't read Eagle's vote on fitz. I simply wasn't paying attention, and it was my downfall.

Sort of surprised I haven't been lynched already, I thought we had agreed that I'd be the next to go, assuming fitz flipped town.

Actually, Desp, why do you pair shos with Nacho? What's your reasoning for that?

Did you not get a pedit message? There was a VC AND A VOTE immediately before you. Thats lies.

No, eagle had already posted-- I skipped past it to make my own post. Again, it was careless.
Shos, I'm not sure if you're familiar with my play or my personality, but here's why I'm good as scum: I don't lie. Whether I'm town or scum, I'm not going to lie about something I could tell the truth as.
Also, I'll point out, that if I wanted to quickhammer, I wouldn't feel guilty about it, even as town. I'm willing to do scummy things as town, and I also am willing to own up to my mistakes.

As a third point, let me ask you: Why would scum-Whiskers quickhammer town, resulting in her own autolynch the next day? It's not worth it to scum to trade one-for-one, and we are so close to the end of the game. Especially with the townread on me from pretty much everybody-- maybe not Kise, but scum has a roleblocker and kills Kise, as we've seen (because it actually happened in the game)-- why would I do something that would make everybody look at me and go, "WOW, SCUM!" Especially when it could have been avoided?

Look: I'm not saying that you should read me as town after what I did. What I'm saying, is you should believe me when I say, I fucked up, and that vote and unvote was not supposed to be a hammer on Fitz.

Why are people avoiding the thread? Come on, vote either me or wisdom. We arent lynching anyone else.

Other things to do. Sounds like you're actually going to be lynched, but with all the support for your lynch (nacho, at least, and maybe desp), I'm kind of worried you're gonna be town.

Which brings me to,

Im surprised whiskers didnt countervote me. Why is that?

Maybe because that would be scummy as fuck and has the potential to end the game immediately if you're town? And because, despite the fact that you've decided to declare a 1v1, nobody listens to you.

Btw, can I please point out that all it takes to quickhammer someone in Lylo is for both scumteammates to realize and confirm the other one is online, and then to vote? It'd be pretty cool if you unvote me. Of course, if you already

are

one of the scum, I guess a quickhammer isn't possible. But that's sloppy play, if you're scum.

Fitz flipping town is pretty much a you autolynched the next day type of scenario; hell, Fitz wasn't even supposed to be lynched yesterday because eagle was supposed to have a clear on him and now suddenly there's a roleblocker in play. Had the eagle roleblocker push not happened, you would have been dead yesterday.