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In post 3494, pirate mollie wrote:

In post 3491, zMuffinMan wrote:if you somehow flip town, i will take solace in the fact that you're going to hit the dead QT, see the spoilers, and realise that every single fucking thing i've said today was 100% truthful and that your shit argument was so fucking abysmally bad that you should be ashamed of yourself because it's worse than the pirate thing; at least the pirate thing wasn't based on something that was blatantly false

but i don't think that's going to happen here

muffina

my argument is not bad, its like you are not even reading what I post. it isn't false.

I am not even going to fight this, nacho reading me as scum just means we have lost touch with each other. my concern is he actually pays attention to my reads if you don't nk him.

I don't think you are scum.
I don't think Muffin is scum.
I think pidgey is scum. Can you vote him?

In post 3441, Venmar wrote:

In post 3437, Skullduggery wrote:Oh, snap, you're absolutely right. I must be Scum because I'm not responding to every little thing you say. You figured it out. Good job. Have a cookie.

On a scale of Woodrow Wilson to Rick Astley, how clever of a smartass do you feel right now?

George Carlin.

And, once again, that doesn't actually invalidate my point.

In post 3458, Venmar wrote:Muffin, would you be willing to compromise on Skull?

To quote a wise man, "Wow, slow down opportunity grabber."

In post 3463, pirate mollie wrote:also would tracker result show up negative on some1 who was in a neighborhood? cos I don't think so

So you're saying that SSK either lied about investigating Sangres and I or he really did investigate us but lied about us performing no action? In either case, what would be the benefit of him saying that neither of us performed an action on the nights when he said that he tracked us? If I had been a PR and he said he tracked me and saw that I performed no action, I would have called him out on it and he would have gotten lynched for lying about his results. Why would he even take that risk?

Furthermore, what kind of response would he have gotten from bork if what you say is true? "You tracked Sangres on Night 1, and they performed an action on Mollie, Aegor, Skull, and Gooner"? That's...kind of ridiculous, don't you think?

I don't think you thought this through very well.

In post 3463, pirate mollie wrote:also didn't you have cephrir as town

I thought Cephrir was Town too. What's your point? If you think a player is Town but they flip Scum, does that automatically mean you must be Scum too? Is a Town player not allowed to be wrong every now and then?

In post 3501, Skullduggery wrote:To quote a wise man, "Wow, slow down opportunity grabber."

You should blow up. These aren't similar situations.

THE RECORD HIGH POST COUNT HAS REACHED OF SKULL IGNORING MY POSTS AGAINST HIM AND MY WAGON.

I AM NOT CONFIRMED TOWN

BITCHES,

Now sheep me.

@Nacho, Pls lynch Skull Pidgey prob is town.

In post 3502, Venmar wrote:

In post 3501, Skullduggery wrote:To quote a wise man, "Wow, slow down opportunity grabber."

You should blow up. These aren't similar situations.

THE RECORD HIGH POST COUNT HAS REACHED OF SKULL IGNORING MY POSTS AGAINST HIM AND MY WAGON.

I AM NOW CONFIRMED TOWN

BITCHES,

Now sheep me.

@Nacho, Pls lynch Skull Pidgey prob is town.

fixed.

sangres wrote:Muffin: correct answer is pidgey

if you want to vote pidgey, i can't really stop you, but i don't think he's scum and, other than poe, i don't know why you think he's scum

something about paranoia of gooner towards the end and reaction to your vote on him and that's all i remember you saying about it

o btw venmar, in the likely event scum don't have daytalk (and i dunno if bork has ever included an encryptor?) another reason i think mafiassk was telling the truth about tracking skull is that it was information he wanted to relay to his scum team

In post 3502, Venmar wrote:

In post 3501, Skullduggery wrote:To quote a wise man, "Wow, slow down opportunity grabber."

You should blow up. These aren't similar situations.

There are two players that you'd be willing to lynch today. There are two players that I'd be willing to lynch today. Without resorting to irrelevant semantic bullshit, can you explain how these two situations are different in any way? I don't think you can do that while avoiding the hypocrisy of calling me Scum for doing the exact same thing that you're doing.

In post 3502, Venmar wrote: THE RECORD HIGH POST COUNT HAS REACHED OF SKULL IGNORING MY POSTS AGAINST HIM AND MY WAGON.

I AM NOW CONFIRMED TOWN

BITCHES

Oh shit, really? It's that easy to become confirmed Town? You just have to shout it in all caps and that makes it true? Wow. I never knew that.

ATTENTION, PLAYERS OF XENOSAGA MAFIA: I, TOO, AM NOW CONFIRMED TOWN

Hell yeah! Now I don't have to worry about being mislynched anymore! Thanks a bunch, Venmar. I owe you one, buddy.

In post 3506, Skullduggery wrote:

In post 3502, Venmar wrote:

In post 3501, Skullduggery wrote:To quote a wise man, "Wow, slow down opportunity grabber."

You should blow up. These aren't similar situations.

There are two players that you'd be willing to lynch today. There are two players that I'd be willing to lynch today. Without resorting to irrelevant semantic bullshit, can you explain how these two situations are different in any way? I don't think you can do that while avoiding the hypocrisy of calling me Scum for doing the exact same thing that you're doing.

Yeah. Two, exact same fucking things.

In post 3506, Skullduggery wrote:

In post 3502, Venmar wrote: THE RECORD HIGH POST COUNT HAS REACHED OF SKULL IGNORING MY POSTS AGAINST HIM AND MY WAGON.

I AM NOW CONFIRMED TOWN

BITCHES

Oh shit, really? It's that easy to become confirmed Town? You just have to shout it in all caps and that makes it true? Wow. I never knew that.

ATTENTION, PLAYERS OF XENOSAGA MAFIA: I, TOO, AM NOW CONFIRMED TOWN

Hell yeah! Now I don't have to worry about being mislynched anymore! Thanks a bunch, Venmar. I owe you one, buddy.

Stop being so fucking obtuse, you think you're a smartass? Blowing up my point (which was the fact you-scum have avoided all of my points against you and my wagon, AS WE SPEAK) to stupid, unreal proportions is only you trying so hard to make me sound like a pompous retard. If you can't lynch me with big boy pants, then go ahead and compromise on the Mollie mislynch, scum do that, yes?

Skull's reactions and posts have been consistently in line with a scum mindset, he's been giving me nothing but snarky and smartass comebacks which he thinks make him look all so very clever by trying to twist my points against me, which isn't exactly disproving anything i'm saying, nor does it contribute to him scumhunting or being otherwise productive. A town mindset from Skull, if he had one, in my opinion, would have been to try and answer or at least address my points like a town scumhunter, because it promotes discussion and can help him shed more light on me if anything, rather than trying to avoid them and hope they blow over like a scum opportunist.

I look at Skull now and I am now 100% confident he is scum.



Please reconsider your positions on Skull. If you think he is town, please let me know why. If you think he is null, i'd like to hear why. This town and game is extremely divided right now between like 4 or 5 people and i'd like to try to steer us towards a definite vote in the name of the town. Yes, I know you want to lynch Mollie. Yes, , I know you want to lynch Pidgey. Yes, , I know you want to lynch Muffin. Yes, , I know you want to lynch me. .. Idk who you're voting, Pidgey maybe? If you guys don't see the bad pattern here, it's that there is no common votes among us. We should stop trying to see which of our dicks is bigger for out scum suspect and cooperate. Of course, in my PoV, this is voting Skull, but the idea is there.

In post 3507, Venmar wrote:Venmar has two scumreads on Mastin and SkullDuggery. He wishes to lynch Skull, but is willing to compromise if needed be on Mastin, his other scumread, to secure a lynch.
Skullduggery has virtually only one scumread on Venmar. He wishes to lynch Venmar, but is also willing to comrpromise if needed be on Mollie, his townread, to secure a lynch.

Yeah. Two, exact same fucking things.

I specifically told you to explain it without resorting to irrelevant semantic bullshit, and what do you do? You resort to irrelevant semantic bullshit anyway. Try again -- this time without the irrelevant semantic bullshit, please.

Also, did you miss the part where I said that I was no longer Town-reading Mollie? It's in 3438, for the record. I would appreciate it if you would stop making it sound like I want to lynch a Town read when that isn't the case.

In post 3507, Venmar wrote:Stop being so fucking obtuse, you think you're a smartass? Blowing up my point (which was the fact you-scum have avoided all of my points against you and my wagon, AS WE SPEAK) to stupid, unreal proportions is only you trying so hard to make me sound like a pompous retard. If you can't lynch me with big boy pants, then go ahead and compromise on the Mollie mislynch, scum do that, yes?

If you try to hide behind ridiculous and nonsensical logic and I point out how ridiculous and nonsensical your logic is, then that isn't me being obtuse; it's me pointing out the holes in your case. Don't blame me because you can't come up with a coherent and convincing reason to push my mislynch.

In post 3507, Venmar wrote:Skull's reactions and posts have been consistently in line with a scum mindset, he's been giving me nothing but snarky and smartass comebacks which he thinks make him look all so very clever by trying to twist my points against me, which isn't exactly disproving anything i'm saying, nor does it contribute to him scumhunting or being otherwise productive. A town mindset from Skull, if he had one, in my opinion, would have been to try and answer or at least address my points like a town scumhunter, because it promotes discussion and can help him shed more light on me if anything, rather than trying to avoid them and hope they blow over like a scum opportunist.

Yes, I'm a smartass. Yes, I'm snarky. No, those aren't Scum-tells.

I think it's pretty hilarious that you're trying to argue that I haven't been addressing your points and promoting discussion. Yes, it's true that I've kinda been skimming your posts lately and not responding to every point you make, but that's only because any half-decent Mafia player can detect the palpable malicious intent behind your propaganda without me explicitly pointing it out.

I also think it's pretty hilarious that you're accusing me of avoiding your posts in the hope that they blow over. Tell me, at what point today or yesterday did it look like I was trying to avoid you? At what point did it look like I wasn't Scum-hunting by deliberately and directly engaging in conversation with you?

In post 3507, Venmar wrote:I look at Skull now and I am now 100% confident he is scum.

If you were Town, you wouldn't be 100% certain about anything.

In post 3507, Venmar wrote:@Muffin
@Nacho
@Mastin? (If you're town?)
@Icerint
@Anyone that is town and cares,

Please reconsider your positions on Skull. If you think he is town, please let me know why. If you think he is null, i'd like to hear why. This town and game is extremely divided right now between like 4 or 5 people and i'd like to try to steer us towards a definite vote in the name of the town. Yes, Muffin I know you want to lynch Mollie. Yes, Nacho, I know you want to lynch Pidgey. Yes, Mollie, I know you want to lynch Muffin. Yes, Mastin, I know you want to lynch me. Iecerint.. Idk who you're voting, Pidgey maybe? If you guys don't see the bad pattern here, it's that there is no common votes among us. We should stop trying to see which of our dicks is bigger for out scum suspect and cooperate. Of course, in my PoV, this is voting Skull, but the idea is there.

Holy shit. Who looks desperate now, chief?

Sangres, Muffin, Pidgey, and Mastin have all told you why they think I'm Town already. I can understand if you don't want to read my posts, but the least you can do is pay attention to .

Okay, real talk for a moment. Let me ask you a question, Venmar. What do you think SSK did on Night 2? Who do you think he tracked -- me or someone else?

In case you forgot, he said he tracked me on Night 2 and saw me going nowhere. If you think SSK and I are Scum buddies, then I want you to explain what you think really happened on Night 2.

Also, if you think I'm Scum, then that means you think there are two Scum players left. Who is my partner?

In post 3510, Skullduggery wrote:Also, if you think I'm Scum, then that means you think there are two Scum players left. Who is my partner?

Remind me why this follows?

In post 3508, Skullduggery wrote:

In post 3507, Venmar wrote:Venmar has two scumreads on Mastin and SkullDuggery. He wishes to lynch Skull, but is willing to compromise if needed be on Mastin, his other scumread, to secure a lynch.
Skullduggery has virtually only one scumread on Venmar. He wishes to lynch Venmar, but is also willing to comrpromise if needed be on Mollie, his townread, to secure a lynch.

Yeah. Two, exact same fucking things.

I specifically told you to explain it without resorting to irrelevant semantic bullshit, and what do you do? You resort to irrelevant semantic bullshit anyway. Try again -- this time without the irrelevant semantic bullshit, please.

I did.

In post 3508, Skullduggery wrote: Also, did you miss the part where I said that I was no longer Town-reading Mollie? It's in 3438, for the record. I would appreciate it if you would stop making it sound like I want to lynch a Town read when that isn't the case.

A couple pages later after I point it out, of course, let's not forget about that, so I don't give a shit that you said it AFTER, it's moot.

In post 3508, Skullduggery wrote:

In post 3507, Venmar wrote:Stop being so fucking obtuse, you think you're a smartass? Blowing up my point (which was the fact you-scum have avoided all of my points against you and my wagon, AS WE SPEAK) to stupid, unreal proportions is only you trying so hard to make me sound like a pompous retard. If you can't lynch me with big boy pants, then go ahead and compromise on the Mollie mislynch, scum do that, yes?

If you try to hide behind ridiculous and nonsensical logic and I point out how ridiculous and nonsensical your logic is, then that isn't me being obtuse; it's me pointing out the holes in your case. Don't blame me because you can't come up with a coherent and convincing reason to push my mislynch.

1. Wasn't much of a logic I used, nor was it supposed to be much of a serious post
2. You blowing it out of proportion was your decision, not mine. You're being obtuse and still are.
3. That wasn't a "case" you weren't poking holes in fucktard, a remark. Again, blowing up stupid information for your benefit.

In post 3508, Skullduggery wrote:

In post 3507, Venmar wrote:Skull's reactions and posts have been consistently in line with a scum mindset, he's been giving me nothing but snarky and smartass comebacks which he thinks make him look all so very clever by trying to twist my points against me, which isn't exactly disproving anything i'm saying, nor does it contribute to him scumhunting or being otherwise productive. A town mindset from Skull, if he had one, in my opinion, would have been to try and answer or at least address my points like a town scumhunter, because it promotes discussion and can help him shed more light on me if anything, rather than trying to avoid them and hope they blow over like a scum opportunist.

Yes, I'm a smartass. Yes, I'm snarky. No, those aren't Scum-tells.

They are in the way you're doing it.

In post 3508, Skullduggery wrote: I think it's pretty hilarious that you're trying to argue that I haven't been addressing your points and promoting discussion. Yes, it's true that I've kinda been skimming your posts lately and not responding to every point you make,

but that's only because any half-decent Mafia player can detect the palpable malicious intent behind your propaganda without me explicitly pointing it out.

1. Skimming is an understatement, skipping whole posts sounds about right.
2. The bolded is proof you haven't been reading my posts, and you're still being over and melodramatic. You're the one making it "Propaganda" if anything

In post 3508, Skullduggery wrote:

In post 3507, Venmar wrote:@Muffin
@Nacho
@Mastin? (If you're town?)
@Icerint
@Anyone that is town and cares,

Please reconsider your positions on Skull. If you think he is town, please let me know why. If you think he is null, i'd like to hear why. This town and game is extremely divided right now between like 4 or 5 people and i'd like to try to steer us towards a definite vote in the name of the town. Yes, Muffin I know you want to lynch Mollie. Yes, Nacho, I know you want to lynch Pidgey. Yes, Mollie, I know you want to lynch Muffin. Yes, Mastin, I know you want to lynch me. Iecerint.. Idk who you're voting, Pidgey maybe? If you guys don't see the bad pattern here, it's that there is no common votes among us. We should stop trying to see which of our dicks is bigger for out scum suspect and cooperate. Of course, in my PoV, this is voting Skull, but the idea is there.

Holy shit. Who looks desperate now, chief?

I'm not desperate, i'm trying to help the town you fucking asshole. I hope you die no matter what your alignment.

In post 3509, Skullduggery wrote:Okay, real talk for a moment. Let me ask you a question, Venmar. What do you think SSK did on Night 2? Who do you think he tracked -- me or someone else?

In case you forgot, he said he tracked me on Night 2 and saw me going nowhere. If you think SSK and I are Scum buddies, then I want you to explain what you think really happened on Night 2.

"Real talk"? What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

I don't care really of the night actions of non-killing Mafia roles. Scum lie frequently. Even if you were town and he tracked you, how does that clear you? If SSK said the truth, it doesn't clear you of being town, he just cleared you of not being a PR or not using an action that night. Mafia Goons DO exist. Mafia DO try to clear each other. I DO want you to fucking die.

Also, Skull being scum would make his neighborhood 3 town, 1 scum, 1 SK, which I find oddly . From a mod point of view, scum probably DO have access to that QT via a member in it, since they didn't have one in mine. 4 Town and 1 SK seems kind of odd I think, since there's already a 3-member town neighborhood in mine. Scum are weakened by not being a part of one of them, so I objectively think there's scum in the last remaining members of the large neighborhood.

But by that last point, it could be me or mollie too.

Will post more substance tonight, finally have some time

Sure, but i'm obviously more inclined to think it's Skull?

In post 3513, Venmar wrote:I don't care really of the night actions of non-killing Mafia roles. Scum lie frequently. Even if you were town and he tracked you, how does that clear you? If SSK said the truth, it doesn't clear you of being town, he just cleared you of not being a PR or not using an action that night. Mafia Goons DO exist. Mafia DO try to clear each other. I DO want you to fucking die.

I can't help but read this paragraph and think that you're saying you want to lynch me even though you don't actually think I'm Scum. It's like you're trying to convince yourself.

Anyway, good job dodging the question. Since you seem to be unwilling to take a firm stance on this issue, I'll explain why it makes no sense for SSK and I to be partners.

There are only a few plausible scenarios here.
1.) SSK and I are both Scum, I didn't perform an action on Night 2, he tracked someone else, and he said he tracked me instead because he knew that I didn't perform an action on Night 2.
2.) SSK is Scum, I'm Town with no night action, he tracked someone else on Night 2, and he said he tracked me I did nothing even though he didn't know for certain.
3.) SSK is Scum, I'm Town with no night action, he tracked me on Night 2, and he saw that I didn't perform an action.

Scenario #1 is mind-numbingly stupid because it would have severely limited my options when it came time to mass-claim. Claiming that he saw me going nowhere means that I would have been forced to eventually claim a role with no night action to keep these results consistent. If you think I'm Scum, that means you believe I would willingly and knowingly limit my options and make the game more difficult for myself because of...reasons? It also means you disrespect SSK's Scum game enough to believe that he would clumsily incriminate a partner by making such a blatant connection between the two of us.

Scenario #2 is also mind-numbingly stupid because it would have been a monumental risk for SSK to take for a very small payoff. It means he would have had to gamble on the possibility of me being a non-PR with no night action even though he had no way of knowing for certain.

Scenario #3 makes complete sense and is almost certainly what really happened.

If you think that there's another plausible scenario besides these three, then by all means, feel free to present it and explain why it's more likely.

In post 3513, Venmar wrote:Also, Skull being scum would make his neighborhood 3 town, 1 scum, 1 SK, which I find oddly

right

. From a mod point of view, scum probably DO have access to that QT via a member in it, since they didn't have one in mine. 4 Town and 1 SK seems kind of odd I think, since there's already a 3-member town neighborhood in mine. Scum are weakened by not being a part of one of them, so I objectively think there's scum in the last remaining members of the large neighborhood.

Like Pidgey said, this logic could easily point to Mollie or Pidgey being Scum as well. And yet, you indicated in 3507 that if I moved my vote to Mollie, that would only make me scummier since only Scum-me would compromise on a Mollie lynch in that position. You're daring me to move my vote to Mollie just so you can say, "See? Skull moved to Mollie just like I said they would!"

This is so blatantly manipulative that I cannot possibly see it coming from a Town mindset. You are attempting to set a trap for me just so you can incriminate me further.

In post 3511, Iecerint wrote:

In post 3510, Skullduggery wrote:Also, if you think I'm Scum, then that means you think there are two Scum players left. Who is my partner?

Remind me why this follows?

Since Venmar elected once again to avoid taking a solid stance on this issue, I will now explain why it is ridiculous to believe that I am the only remaining Scum player.

In 2704, I to be jailed by Orcinus so that I could become confirmed Town when a kill went through that night. I very specifically and clearly told Orcinus to jail me. If there's only one Scum player remaining and that player is me, You could argue that it was a gambit and I was secretly hoping that Orcinus would jail someone else, but you'd have to be outrageously paranoid to actually believe that to be the case.

What would be the benefit of Scum-me taking such a risk anyway? If it failed, I'd be jailed that night, lynched the next day, and then my team would lose. If it succeeded, I would be in the same position that I was in the previous day and I would have gained . It would have been a stupid risk to take for absolutely no payoff.

Therefore, if you think I'm Scum, it follows that you have to believe that there are two Scum players left and I volunteered to be jailed by Orcinus so my partner could perform the kill that night.

So again I ask: If I'm Scum, then who is my partner?

Three scenarios that don't prove you to be town or scum, just your action during Night 1. Cool cool cool.

You have some motherfucking balls to say I am avoiding anything or trying not to take a position on something you have said, you of all people, you hypocritical fuck.

I'm not going to assume two or more scum until the game keeps going on after we lynch one. I don't have strong reason to believe you WERE the recipient of the block, I don't recal Orcinus outright saying who he will block, just a small list of people he might. You volunteering doesn't really impact my decision.

Just so we're clear I am quite done arguing with you, borderline talking to you, because this shit is getting fucking absurd now. Expect no more replies from me to you. (inb4 you call me scum for this for avoiding discussion or some other dumb shit, in which case, shut up hypocrite, i don't care, die.)

In post 3516, Skullduggery wrote:You're daring me to move my vote to Mollie just so you can say, "See? Skull moved to Mollie just like I said they would!"

This is so blatantly manipulative that I cannot possibly see it coming from a Town mindset. You are attempting to set a trap for me just so you can incriminate me further.

See, you're fucking lying out of your orifice here. I'M NOT FUCKING BAITING YOU. I'M TELLING YOU THAT YOU'RE SCUMMY FOR WANTING TO DO IT. NOT IF YOU DO IT. I HAVE NEVER TOLD YOU TO VOTE HER. IF ANYTHING MY ATTITUDE IS POINTING TOWARDS TELLING YOU NOT TO DO IT. HOLY. FUCKING. SHIT.

READ MY POSTS

STOP TELLING YOURSELF FUCKING LIES SO MUCH THAT THEY SOUND TRUE TO YOU

THEY'RE NOT

FUCKKKKKKKKKKKK

ok, starting now i don't talk to him, i promise myself

VOTE: test

In post 3052, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 3051, Metal Sonic wrote:screw it. i trust myself. lynch kaze and we talk about the problems later

given that i am jk'ing kaze and that we are lynching venmar

lol

Skull is full of shit.

In post 3517, Venmar wrote:You have some motherfucking balls to say I am avoiding anything or trying not to take a position on something you have said, you of all people, you hypocritical fuck.

I'm the hypocritical one here? Really? Have you looked in a mirror lately? You're the one who keeps pointing to things that both of us are doing and saying that I'm Scum for it but you're not.

In post 3517, Venmar wrote:I'm not going to assume two or more scum until the game keeps going on after we lynch one. I don't have strong reason to believe you WERE the recipient of the block, I don't recal Orcinus outright saying who he will block, just a small list of people he might. You volunteering doesn't really impact my decision.

First of all, 2995 and 3052. Eat a dick.

Second of all, if you're going to argue that there's only one Scum player left, then it can't be me for reasons that I literally explained. Maybe try reading what I say, you hypocritical fuck.

My explanation damn well impact your decision. Otherwise you'd be pushing for my lynch in spite of there being convincing evidence indicating that I am not the last Scum player. Sure, ignoring evidence like this doesn't necessarily indicate that you're one alignment or another; it just means that you're fucking horrible at this game

In post 3517, Venmar wrote:Just so we're clear I am quite done arguing with you, borderline talking to you, because this shit is getting fucking absurd now. Expect no more replies from me to you. (inb4 you call me scum for this for avoiding discussion or some other dumb shit, in which case, shut up hypocrite, i don't care, die.)

So if I'm scummy for skimming your posts, then shouldn't that make you extra scummy for ignoring my posts altogether? I really don't think you have any place to call me a hypocrite anymore considering the shit that you're pulling now.

Do you think I'm going to stop talking to you just because you fold your arms over your chest and pout like a little bitch? I think you're Scum and nothing you've said today has even come close to convincing me that I'm wrong.

Not only do I think you're Scum, but at this point in the game, I am actually that you're Scum because I do not want to face the possibility that you're Town and you are this much of a manipulative, lying, hypocritical, immature, obnoxious, whiny, slanderous, incorrigible, petty, unreasonable, monomaniacal, malicious, simple-minded prick.

Ignore , bitch.