TENET - Game Over

[Bell]

Mufffin what if I said I think you should be fucking hard pushing dunn as scum

I think he is the deepscum. I think I can explain why.

Insomnia thoughts

Duunn scum

Skitter scum

Notes to self : read skitter early game
Note to thread scorpia is not on board with dunn scum yet

But I feel like a lot of pieces just clicked into place for me

Or I am jjust having delusions as I pass out

I will explain in morning if more of this stilll makes sense to me

-e

This entire post is a cliff hanger.

[Bell]

Well, I don't see it.
So explain it when you have it if it still makes sense after sleeping on it I suppose.

[zMuffinMan]

as a side note, is anyone else bothered by the URLs in the PMs not being mirrored?

also the day/night start notifications but that's at least a bit forgivable

[Bell]

Yes this bothered me.
I also get upset when a blade of grass is cut unevenly and when I step on cracks in the pavement.

[zMuffinMan]

i actually try to step on as many cracks as possible but only with my left foot

don't ask why

[zMuffinMan]

please don't treat that as a scum claim

[Bell]

Too late.

[zMuffinMan]

do you think cliff hangers are more likely to come from town or scum?

[Bell]

Scum regardless of role pm.

[zMuffinMan]

well, that's quite lucky for me then

because i deleted the line i wrote after that which was something along the lines of "i have something i feel absolutely needs to be said, but when i say it will depend on your answer"

i would have felt mighty silly trying to come up with something that seemed important on that spot hmmm

[zMuffinMan]

actually now that i think about it, nacho's first post to me makes soooo much more sense of how he was approaching reading me. not sure why i didn't pick up on that

on the way home earlier, i pretty much promised myself that if, say, almost50 and gypyx were deleted from the thread and it confirmed everyone as town, i'd just replace out. i would be so disappointed in the game if scum are just that shit

part of me hopes that there actually is some 'deepscum' among the virtually consensus town reads purely for that reason

[Dunnstral]

How has pisskop gotten away with posting only one time in the inverse thread?

Midwaybear, do you have reads?

[Dunnstral]

Deacon and Dandelion Wine, this is a 26 player game, not 2 13 player games

I think the mech solve is not nearly as convincing as you currently believe. I think 4, even 5 investigative roles, with some being weaker roles like modifier follower, is not necessarily out of place.

I think the mech-guilty mindset should be tabled until mass claim is a thing, instead of going off of vague crumbs, plus unrevealed roles

As an aside, Skitter looks like town to me based on their play and their discourse with pooky

[Annie Edison]

Dunn I think almost every investigative will be gated in some way based off the claim on the table. That’s the issue.

@Cabd- I’ve been looking. Seen some.

I also think anyone calling deacon scum should explain why the fuck they’d target a vt

[SirCakez]

Elimination Votecount 2.4

zMuffinMan (3) - Hench Princesses, Gypyx, Titus
Hench Princesses (1) - Annie Edison
Almost50 (1) - Spiffeh

Not voting (5) - Dunnstral, Almost50, Bell, Brian Skies, zMuffinMan

(expired on 2021-01-04 12:54:00) remain until day end

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to reach a majority.

Turnstile Votecount 2.4

Almost50 (4) - Annie Edison, Hench Princesses, Almost50, Dunnstral
Brian Skies (1) - Spiffeh

Not voting (5) - Titus, Bell, Brian Skies, Gypyx, zMuffinMan

(expired on 2021-01-04 12:54:00) remain until day end

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to reach a majority.

[Hench Princesses]

Alright. I'll say my "zomg Dunn scum" thought process was more compelling to insomnia me. I'm not going to say it's wrong, sometimes my insomnia thoughts are pretty good, but I will say some of these points may read kinda shitty

I'm leaning towards agreeing and moving with the plan to attempt to protect Fire

If there's a roleblocker in either thread, this plan fails

Also, I'm getting worried about the amount of investigative roles in this game

Like maybe we can start with an easy one. Who wants to convince me fire/skitter is literally never s/s?

-E

This is like a 25 person game or something, I'd be more surprised if we didn't have a cop

Dunn has just been making me wary. He feels very... agreeable. That doesn't make me think he's scum in itself, but it did kinda put him back on my radar. I kinda didn't like the way he was going very light hands toward skitter/fire. I thought my "let's bring both skitter and fire over here!" argument was like, possibly a stupid argument and was expecting more pushback, so Dunn coming in and saying "yeah I can be for it even if I only see Fire as the likely town out of the pair" --but not saying it in those words -- just surprised me. I don't want to scumread Dunn for agreeing with things I say, that'd be stupid. The way he kinda positioned skitter as scum here though without really like getting into it just felt kinda ? to me. He could just be wary of her. I also kinda agreed with Bell that the amount Dunn was getting into the mech discussion felt surprising if nothing else.

But the thing my insomnia brain actually cycled back to is probably stupid but I'll make it out anyway:

i should prob mention that if i got turnstiled to the primitive side, i think id seriously consider just replacing out over reading 178 pages of what im sure is super useful and super helpful stuff that is definitely worth slogging through

so if people are stupid enough to get rid of me, do it the standard way tia

I started thinking about this post. Like even if Muffin flips scum, I buy and vibe this post.

Which made me think back to these posts:

This game became very unfun for me. I got in a fight with the Mrs. because I was spending too much time on this fucking thing. I am not enjoying it and I no longer wish to participate. I think the way people have begun to argue is becoming very underhanded and unbelievably difficult. It's no longer about healthy debate, it's burying your opponent with hearsay, misrepping them, and then looking the other way. I could be right in this game, but at what cost? The same even goes for wrong. I don't want to be either at this point.

@MOD Request Replacement

It's not about you. It's about everything. Go look at the other thread.

I know what you're thinking right now. "Entrapta, are you a fucking idiot? Why are you bringing up the replace-out posts"

but for insomnia me, 2144 was actually a scum claim.

Basically, I personally am finding it extremely easy to compartmentalize stuff in the other thread. If I get riled this game, it's people in this thread. Like... we have to solve this thread. There's no guarantee we will *ever* have to solve the other thread. The game could literally end before re-merge. And thinking back to muffin's 3332... yeah. I very much have felt the same way at points in this game. But I don't really buy GX scum, so I was kinda like, okay then where are Muffin's blindspots if he's town?

And then I was thinking "how would scum feel about that thread" -- what if you saw that thread being a dumpster fire, *and you knew who the scum were*? Like would that be *more frustrating* or *less frustrating*? It's entirely possible you would find that even more frustrating, because it would mean that you are fighting for a win with people that you can't theater with and force to calm down through theater but that you are still working hard in your thread to their wincon knowing who they are. I can actually see that being really tilting.

This was kinda around the same time that skitter scum kinda clicked into place, and skitter having already observed she kinda gets into people's faces as scum. And then I was like, what if unwnd was looking at that thread and like, knew some combination of skitter/(maybe lld?)/some other heavy-AtE player (or maybe 1-2 more that were just potatos) were all scum, having no actual motivation to push those slots since it would feel against wincon, but not really enjoying how they play scum. Like especially if something like, "skitter+pisskop" scumteam (not saying it's this), then you couldn't really do anything to change skitter's playstyle but you'd know that if she goes down scum might be in a rough spot overall.

Spoiler: not a herosolve

Noraa/LLD/Hench/Shelly/???

this post still really bothers me. the only name on it fmpov that can be scum at this point is LLD. Instead to me it really just reads like a list of planned misflips. Like the "not a herosolve" thing bothers me because it feels like it's just as easily a tongue-in-cheek list for a (hey, annie's theory) pt-separated scumteam than anything else. This does mean LLD town but that's fine.

Anyway, "unwnd was scum all along!" is definitely a thought that helps me sleep at night lmao, and I'm willing to accept it may have been just that. But I would say that Dunn!Deepscum, cycling back to this slot, is something I can see in a way that I can't see for anywhere in the top 3 of my townblock, and might actually be easier for me to see than muffinscum even though muffin's response to scorpia's case was actually really bad (the toilet comment). But his desire for a deepwolf actually felt slightly townie, as well as his desire to die rather than go other thread.

This concludes "shit entrapta thinks about when passing out"

-E

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Turnstile: Almost50

[Hench Princesses]

long story short unwnd posting a list of 3 town and then complaining about *the other thread* in her replace-out still does not make me townread that slot, and Dunn not choosing to directly fight me on skitter but still positioning her as scum felt weird to me if not outright scummy

could be a complete shitcase but those were the thoughts that suddenly made me feel like the game made sense, which is always a good feeling

-E

[Annie Edison]

I’m not going to be considering dunn for a while.

[Brian Skies]

@Annie & @Brian: Could you both please brief me with your reads on the thread I'm about to join? Who are your top SR(s)?

Skitter is a slot I'm slightly suspicious of because they townread you and Gyx early on and I wasn't sure why. I think the other thread has more mechanical reasons associated with that read and I honestly don't care that much.
I'm also suspicious of LLD.

I had fferyhydra, Peta, Firebringer as townleans. Mebbe Cabd.

I'm still townreading Pooky and find it hilarious that the people who are voting him were also on the Flavor Leaf wagon the previous day. Based on his spreadsheet, I'd guess the scum there is probably the bear.

I still think Pisskop could be scum.

I don't have opinions on the rest of their playerlist because I honestly haven't been following along that thoroughly.

[Annie Edison]

Brian the people voting Pooky are all your townreads lol

[Annie Edison]

The only two shared votes so far are S_S and peta I’m pretty sure

[Brian Skies]

Brian the people voting Pooky are all your townreads lol

Lol. I don't even know how to respond to this.

[Brian Skies]

The only two shared votes so far are S_S and peta I’m pretty sure

What do you mean by this?

[Annie Edison]

You were talking about the Pooky and flavor wagons

I’m telling you the Pooky wagon of four rn is deacon peta fire s_S

The only people from that pool who voted flavor were peta and S_S