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Also as an aside: wallflower is another player who is blatantly trying to deflect attention from the Nashville Dreams wagon despite supposedly scumreading them

Bleh, that's incoherent, I realize that the'yre very unlikely to both be scum with ND but it's late and I'm getting sloppy with my thinking

But I want it noted

In post 3499, catboi wrote:I realize this is an unpopular stance and I'm not gonna sell people on it today. But I want people to remember it for whenever I finally get out of this cursed game: FL/Wallflower are absolutely not both town from the way they have been interacting

I don't think it's as unpopular as you say. People seem plenty paranoid of FL, and I haven't fact-checked this but I reckon at least half of the players in the game would have either me or FL in their potential-scum list.

I guess my interpretation of your posts is that you're trying to spread paranoia regarding two people actually trying to work together.

PEdit: Can you back up this claim too? I at one point tried to get Nashville eliminated instead of you. Beyond having you as my preferred elim and playing as such, what am I doing that is "blatantly trying to deflect attention from Nashville Dreams"?

In post 3497, catboi wrote:

In post 3474, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I kind of think he's been acting a bit like this to me too, so I'm surprised you think we're scum together.

Yeah I don't understand what you mean by this at all? I searched your ISO and I remembered making jokes about you asking mastina to explain stuff, ad you asking me questions when I was interrogating norwee, I don't get how you see this as me trying to manipulate you or whatever

yeah you were pushing Wallflower for the Klick/you scumteam theory, and your response to me was more mild in comparison, which wasn't what I was expecting

Idk how to explain it but when someone's reaction isn't what I expected, it pings me

In post 3488, catboi wrote:FL upping the noise level comes at a convenient time

what you mean convenient time, i havent ever left except for sleep.

In post 3485, catboi wrote:

In post 3247, Wallflower wrote:It’s true that FL posts too much and I’m not 100% sure they are town but I do feel like they’ve added a lot of valuable insights to the game in between all the extra fluff and so I would agree with FL that it is unreasonable to shut them out in such a way.

I want to emphasize this: the FL/Wallflower dynamic is super not pure. The way it's going, they have locktowned each other over very little and wallflower is now playing the full-time role of acting as FL's #1 fan, backing up everything he says. It's not the same as a town/town dynamic because there's usually some mistrust or disagreement there, and instead it's blind mutual reinforcement. I don't think they're ever the same faction because scumbuddies just don't act this way toward one another but they're not both town. In Control, I noticed a dynamic between mastina and norwee (one was mafia, the other was SK, they both thought they were pocketing the other) but I couldn't find the will to fight it enough to flip them, and they both endgamed. This feels very similar to that in how they're talking about one another.

i have plenty pure town reads like this all the time.

you're actively trying to just angle this in.

WallFlower hasnt done a thing to pocket me this game, and they weren't town reading me for the longest time, if i recall correctly.

And by your own statement, you're saying that Mastina does play in a way to pocket someone correct? Yet by your own accord you are actively ignoring that Mastina/Catboi dynamic is more similar to that Mastina/Norwee than Wallflower/Flavor is, one because it actively incorporates Mastina, a player you know does that.

However, one of my main accusations towards the two of you is that you are both politically positioning yourself by town reading each other.

You're literally using one of my EXACT accusations towards you to try to break up WallF and I.

It's also not like WallFlower and I haven't been actively casing you and coming up with reasons.

We are mindmelding, whereas you and Mastina are politically positioning. You don't have to be same scum team, but you just stated and acknowledged that is something that Mastina does yet don't think it's odd her positioning next to you and instead defend them.

In post 3486, catboi wrote:

In post 3269, Wallflower wrote:@everyone

I can totally see that FL’s posting is ridiculous at times but like it or not they are probably town

In post 3270, Flavor Leaf wrote:Yeah, WallFlower's been the most helpful to me all game besides that one Enchant post that Enchant made towards me that probably is the reason I'm not wanting to go Enchant.

This in particualr is an instance of that, the way they're backing each other up but without really casing it, just going in a "just trust me" way screams manipulation. FL's going to shoot back with a claim that this is what's going on with me and mastina but it's not really the same at all given the reason I started townreading mastina was because she had a read I

viscerally disagreed with

WallFlower and I weren't exclusively town reading each other from the beginning.

If you go back, i straight up called WallFlower out as scum piggybacking the TB catboi push.

In post 3492, Wallflower wrote:

In post 3485, catboi wrote:The way it's going, they have locktowned each other over very little

I would like you to back up this claim. Do you feel that the thread has given you a strong understanding of why I townread FL and why FL townreads me?

In post 3485, catboi wrote:wallflower is now playing the full-time role of acting as FL's #1 fan, backing up everything he says

This is proven not to be true, with multiple instances where I have expressed disagreement with FL rather than backed him up.

Catboi is completely using WallFlower/FL to angle shoot us because he has to dual discredit us.

He also noticed the flaw in his push when he realized him and Mastina were in that exact scenario, but far worse because they aren't even interacting with each other.

You and I have consistently been talking to each.

Mastina and Catboi just are blank wall positioning.

In post 3494, catboi wrote:

In post 3492, Wallflower wrote:

In post 3485, catboi wrote:The way it's going, they have locktowned each other over very little

I would like you to back up this claim. Do you feel that the thread has given you a strong understanding of why I townread FL and why FL townreads me?

In post 3485, catboi wrote:wallflower is now playing the full-time role of acting as FL's #1 fan, backing up everything he says

This is proven not to be true, with multiple instances where I have expressed disagreement with FL rather than backed him up.

You're townreading him for "valuable insights" and he's townreading you

because you agreed with him early on

. Not really super hard to see this is a messed up dynamic

I specifically called them out early as piggybacking onto you, and they were pushing you before me.

Catboi is now twisting the narrative because they know we actually have legitimate reasons for scum reading them, and they have to fight against it.


it's not like WallFlower and my dynamic is new. It's been a growing evolving read over the game.

I need to utilize the power of calm Flavor more often.

In post 3507, Flavor Leaf wrote:

In post 3492, Wallflower wrote:

In post 3485, catboi wrote:The way it's going, they have locktowned each other over very little

I would like you to back up this claim. Do you feel that the thread has given you a strong understanding of why I townread FL and why FL townreads me?

In post 3485, catboi wrote:wallflower is now playing the full-time role of acting as FL's #1 fan, backing up everything he says

This is proven not to be true, with multiple instances where I have expressed disagreement with FL rather than backed him up.

Catboi is completely using WallFlower/FL to angle shoot us because he has to dual discredit us.

He also noticed the flaw in his push when he realized him and Mastina were in that exact scenario, but far worse because they aren't even interacting with each other.

You and I have consistently been talking to each.

Mastina and Catboi just are blank wall positioning.

Before this gets misrepped, by blank wall, i mean more brick wall, not a post that's long and full of positioning tactics like Mastina's.

Yeah I can see that

Which is why I'll vote catboi if but only if that wagon is bigger, because I still like ND for scum

i bet 3-5 scum are on ND wagon right now. both sides.

It's just blatantly obvious the Catboi wagon does not have both scum teams going after them. Whatever side Catboi is on, the scum are actively not bussing them.

Scum are in the ones who are lightly keeping Catboi open + going on ND, and frankly, Cat Scratch fits that bill hard.


Yes, is it possible they are both scum? Sure. but it's far more likely ND is town than Catboi.

And the dual opening of ND/Catboi is where a Catboi partner likely is.

While some are defending.

and then one probably stay out of it. But I guarantee both scum are on ND wagon right now.

In post 3470, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Nashville Dreams (8) | NorwegianboyEE,

butterchurn

, Save The Dragons, Well Done,

catboi, Cat Scratch Fever, cassowary, Klick

Multiple scum are in that group right there. Probably both teams.

This is a wagon on town.

People's defense here towards me is "They both could be scum!"

No, this wagon is completely indicative of town Nashville.

Cat Scratch Fever, Megaza, Enchant hammer

means 11 votes are ready for Nashville.

I'm sure players like Menalque/SPC will join it.

WallFlower said they're not town reading Nashville and was there earlier.

Toogeloo and tictac as well.

This is not a wagon on scum, and if it is, they're Malefactor.


@Nashville - time to claim probably. E-4 in a large game.

ugggghhh, im gonna have to try even harder on Day 2 because im gonna have some of my support killed off, and im gonna get pushed.

In post 3517, Flavor Leaf wrote:Cat Scratch Fever, Megaza, Enchant hammer

means 11 votes are ready for Nashville.

I'm sure players like Menalque/SPC will join it.

WallFlower said they're not town reading Nashville and was there earlier.

Toogeloo and tictac as well.

This is not a wagon on scum, and if it is, they're Malefactor.


@Nashville - time to claim probably. E-4 in a large game.

You’re right that I would vote Nashville if I needed to

In post 3519, Wallflower wrote:

In post 3517, Flavor Leaf wrote:Cat Scratch Fever, Megaza, Enchant hammer

means 11 votes are ready for Nashville.

I'm sure players like Menalque/SPC will join it.

WallFlower said they're not town reading Nashville and was there earlier.

Toogeloo and tictac as well.

This is not a wagon on scum, and if it is, they're Malefactor.


@Nashville - time to claim probably. E-4 in a large game.

You’re right that I would vote Nashville if I needed to

yep.

And that's why it's a wagon on town.

cat scratch was already on it, so i said 11 when it should have been 10.

but let's do the math.

23 minus Nashville, that's 22 players.

with those players listed, that's 15. If Menalque/SPC arent willing to vote there, then yeah, its still lower, but only if they stand by that, which I don't know where they stand, but i can see both of them voting there just to end.

I would likely end up voting despite my incessant town reads, and then somehow get blamed for it anyways because I generally just vote to end the day and get it over with even if it's a town read if i think there's merit to move on.

16 players that means are willing to vote Nashville.

Hmmm....I wonder why that is.

It's because both scum sides are willing to vote there.

Mastina seemed to town read there, I believe? I could be wrong.

So there is absolutely no chance that Nashville flips Group Scum here.

You could say that "SCUM ARE BUSSING"

with how hard I've been pushing Catboi and people's possible willingness to vote Catboi if it sped up?

Nope. Catboi would have more pressure outside of the mains.

Malcolm idk where they're at regarding the wagon.


So yeah, that's 16 out of 22 minimum votes on Nashville here.

this does not happen here if Nashville was scum full stop.

Bnuuy and the Keeper are 2 of those outliers as well.

Just doesn't happen.

Alright so I started at 1:30 so that means I miiiiight need to give up on getting caught up.

I want to read at least until 100 tho and then read from where I was last night, if nothing else.

In post 1490, Save The Dragons wrote:VOTE: bnuuy

In post 1507, Klick wrote:VOTE: bnuuy

In post 1521, catboi wrote:VOTE: bnuuy

In post 1533, Flavor Leaf wrote:VOTE: Bnuuy

In post 1539, NorwegianboyEE wrote:VOTE: Bnuuy

In post 1543, butterchurn wrote:VOTE: Bnuuy

So uh.

What happened to this wagon and why the fuck did it go away.

Because I very much think it should not have gone away.

In fact.

VOTE: bnuuy

In post 1551, bnuuy wrote:when I joined this game I didn't want any drama to happen, now it has and I'm feeling down
if y'all want to vote me out then be my guest tbh but that's at least why I haven't been engaged recently
I'll add that cassowary doesn't really feel like she did when I saw her as scum before so that's probably a good sign

This was literally a beetlegeus pop-in. Wagon happened and then bnuuy posted .

If you're away from the game and then you have a wagon form on you as you're coming back, that's not beetlegeusing...
...But if you are posting only because there is a wagon on you and the entirety of your content is in direct response to that content? It absolutely IS.

In post 1590, Flavor Leaf wrote:Bnuuy wagon is boring.

Yeah, wagons on scum are boring, but they're quite practical, I hear.

In post 1604, Save The Dragons wrote:I'm getting cold feet on bnuuy tbh

Review how things transpired and you'll find yourself getting cold feet on the cold feet and realizing the original scumread was right.

In post 1619, bnuuy wrote:That’s one of very few slots that should know who I am already

Wait is the half who should know you, Dunnstral?

Because if the half who should know you is Dunnstral, then the style of your signature + it being Dunnstral who should know you + your posting style, would all point me towards you being someone who has hydra'd with Dunnstral reasonably recently.

And if you are that player then we should be turbo-limming you because this is 200% that player's scumgame.

In post 1639, Well Done wrote:we lost -1 town.

Actually, it's technically -3, since adding scum is taking from town, too.

In post 1628, Save The Dragons wrote:I found a shiny new potential wagon

Shiny? Yes.

But with the properties you'd expect of a shiny: distracting you from real scum and not actually being good.

In post 1629, catboi wrote:The excuses for bnuuy are pretty wild, they dropped some AtE and the wagon started to dissipate, it's not like that's anything cornered newbscum hasn't done before.

It's almost like scum have an investment in keeping bnuuy alive.

In post 1650, butterchurn wrote:I don't find that bnuuy's latest posts are out of the range of what I would expect them to do if they were scum here. The wagon feels like it fell apart a little quickly.

This, so much.

In post 1650, butterchurn wrote:This makes me feel like some of the people riding the wave of the wagon didn't genuinely want it to go through, and were just waiting for an excuse to jump back off.

Gee I wonder who that could be.

Could it perhaps be a slot that's so vocal that if it weren't for their spam we'd have a far more reasonably sized 111-page game? (I mean that's still a lot of pages but this is a Large, so at a pace of ~15 pages per day, 111 pages is actually an expected number. But there's one slot in particular that has added singlehandedly 30 pages to the game, pushing us to a more unmanageable amount.)

I wonder what that could mean.

I don't hold any homes of getting an FL elimination today, but FL is scum and so is bnuuy.

In post 1651, MonkeyMan576 wrote:How many scum on that bnuuy wagon?l

Well, Flavor Leaf is scum, but beyond that? The maximum is 2-3. If butterchurn scum as I suspect, that's +1, and if Klick IS scum (Klick's moved more and more north to me progressively so is north of null right now to me overall) that'd be the final +1, but everyone else on that wagon is town.

Norwee is as town as town gets;
catboi is as town as town gets;
Save the Dragons is as town as town gets.

I might've missed bnuuy votes but from the ones I saw, {StD, Klick, catboi, Flavor Leaf, Norwee, butterchurn}, STD/catboi/Norwee are all definitely town, I'm more and more thinking Klick town, so there's only two real scum candidates there.