Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[Gustavo]

UNVOTE:

[Gustavo]

Idk why. I’m fine being lynched. My lynch doesn’t lose the game and if it’ll help it, I’m down for it

[Keyser Söze]

It looks like I’m t/reading your ‘bad’/‘aggressive’/‘suboptimal’ behaviour via WIFOM. I always find it really hard to s/read your type of playstyle (the only time I’ve seen someone flip scum after being so ‘passionate’ and ‘aggressive’ was third party scum, not group scum).

I’m gonna finish off reading your last 100 posts, then read through Skitter.

[Gustavo]

Let me ask you this. What combo would you rather have in lylo

Me/errant
Bv/errant
Me/bv

Keyser/elephant. Since y’all are the clears here. Seriously consider my question and then answer it by a vote.

I honestly don’t believe anyone can add anything that hasn’t already been added. Skitter tried to add stuff but all he did was point out what most people who play with me already know. I’m stubborn and have shit reads. But I don’t leave myself open to hop onto other people’s wagons. I close myself from everyone and even alienate them.

I do this as town. Nobody really knows if I do it as scum because my one scum game I didn’t do that.

I’m an enigma I guess. I play to find who I think is scum and I don’t care who is against me.

[Gustavo]

It looks like I’m t/reading your ‘bad’/‘aggressive’/‘suboptimal’ behaviour via WIFOM.

Then don’t. I could easily pull this off as scum. I’ve seen other players do it. I’ve been compared to 2 players on this site and both of those players can pull it off.

You really have to look at the actions and figure out which makes the most sense.

I think the best example of that will be my vote on gamma vs math’s vote on gamma.

Compare the two of those. Look at the context leading up to it.

Does math vote gamma and not mom (who was his top scum read) as town or scum?

Do I vote gamma over mom (who I’ve guven no read on at all) as town or scum?

Let’s completely remove errant for today. If you lynch him today, it’ll be the same question tomorrow.

Lynch the guy who didn’t crumb BP, didn’t react to shos claiming he saved me, and only claimed after a scum gambit gone wrong

Or vote me. The person who’s literally done nothing to find scum

[Gustavo]

After today I’m going to be inactive Monday/Tuesday so get whatever questions you have out of the way now or wait til I get back.

v/la until Wednesday

VOTE: bv

[Keyser Söze]

Quick post before leaving for work.

@Keyser, some of the things you townread Gustavo for are things he can do as scum. Specifically, he's the kind of scum player that plays by deluding themselves into thinking that they are town so can have genuine-sounding, stubborn reactions. Here's an ISO of a recent scumgame.

Ok, reading through his posts in that game does now admittedly make me want to re-evaluate Gustavo here...

[skitter30]

Unless somebody has info the worst is lying. Fos anyone who’s voted him or pushing for a claim. Especially a full claim.

But if tw has a guilty he should definitely put it this day phase.

this is also a pretty weird post.

'tw is probably lying but people who voted him or want a claim are suspicious' ???

[skitter30]

i'm rereading a lot of the game and i think gustavo was pretty well-positioned to coast after the tw guilty thing - basically nobody was scumreading him at that time.

probably the only person who better fits that profile of where scum would be during that guilty thing is like me

[skitter30]

VOTE: gustavo

i was giving him a lot of slack for having an annoying playstyle + stungun who can apparently fake distancing pretty damn well

and neither of these reasons really hold at this stage of the game when i townread just about everyone more

and rereading a lot of his posts were actually kinda scummy but i just wrote them off as him having an annoying playstyle

i think this makes the most sense

[Gustavo]

i'm rereading a lot of the game and i think gustavo was pretty well-positioned to coast after the tw guilty thing - basically nobody was scumreading him at that time.

probably the only person who better fits that profile of where scum would be during that guilty thing is like me

And yet I didn’t coast...

If you believe this, who actually coasted?

[Gustavo]

Unless somebody has info the worst is lying. Fos anyone who’s voted him or pushing for a claim. Especially a full claim.

But if tw has a guilty he should definitely put it this day phase.

this is also a pretty weird post.

'tw is probably lying but people who voted him or want a claim are suspicious' ???

That’s a huge misrep bro. I didn’t say it imply he’s lying. When somebody claims a PR you assume he’s telling the truth until somebody counters. I actually believed his claim hence me speaking out against people voting him.

That alone wiped all your town cred down the toilet because you aren’t a n00b and no way a n00b misreps something that bad.

@keyser/elephant. I really don’t envy your decision tomorrow. Skitter just threw himself back in the scum pool
After he had already dried himself off.

@keyser - what was your issue with me set voting? If I’m going to die, I’m
Not going to fight it.

[skitter30]

Unless somebody has info the worst is lying

. Fos anyone who’s voted him or pushing for a claim. Especially a full claim.

But if tw has a guilty he should definitely put it this day phase.

this is also a pretty weird post.

'tw is probably lying but people who voted him or want a claim are suspicious' ???

That’s a huge misrep bro. I didn’t say it imply he’s lying. When somebody claims a PR you assume he’s telling the truth until somebody counters. I actually believed his claim hence me speaking out against people voting him.

That alone wiped all your town cred down the toilet because you aren’t a n00b and no way a n00b misreps something that bad.

@keyser/elephant. I really don’t envy your decision tomorrow. Skitter just threw himself back in the scum pool
After he had already dried himself off.

@keyser - what was your issue with me set voting? If I’m going to die, I’m
Not going to fight it.

for like the nineteenth time, i'm a she

what does the bolded mean then - you literally say he's lying unless people have relevant info

explain where i misrepped you

[Gustavo]

I don’t give a shit what you are. I type whatever my mind tells me to. I don’t stop to check genders. I’ll try and remember yet again but if I can’t, chill out

It means what I said already. A counter claim.

[Gustavo]

tw is probably lying

Misrep

[skitter30]

Unless somebody has info the worst is lying.

Fos anyone who’s voted him or pushing for a claim. Especially a full claim.

But if tw has a guilty he should definitely put it this day phase.

[Irrelephant11]

My vote is where I'd like it to be, I'll be able to talk more tomorrow if need be

[Gustavo]

That’s a huge misrep bro. I didn’t say it imply he’s lying. When somebody claims a PR you assume he’s telling the truth until somebody counters. I actually believed his claim hence me speaking out against people voting him.

[Gustavo]

That’s me basically saying until somebody CCs, it’s assumed he’s legit and nobody should be voting him.

Jesus they teach that to n00bs who never played a game. I don’t believe for a second you don’t know to wait for a Cc

[skitter30]

you say he's lying unless someone has informaton otherwise

idk what you're trying to say

[Gustavo]

That’s me basically saying until somebody CCs, it’s assumed he’s legit and nobody should be voting him.

[Gustavo]

CC - https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Counterclaim

[skitter30]

we seem to be arguing over the defintion of a word or something so i don't think quibbling over this point is going to be fruitful, although i absolutely don't understand why you're accusing me of misrepping when you all i did was rephrase your own post

[Gustavo]

You say I thought tw was lying. I never thought tw was lying. I never said I thought tw was lying. You completely made up the fact that I thought tw was lying, because I never did think he was lying.

I don’t understand why you’re playing dumb right now.

[skitter30]

you literally say 'unless someone has info the worst is lying'

that to me sounds like you think the worst is lying unless we live in the special circumstance of someone having info. since there is no evidence of anyone having info i take that to mean you think tw is lying

i don't know how to get across my point better