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Post Post #3525 (ISO) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:54 pm

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In post 3522, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3519, Titus wrote:@Mathblade, You're running yourself ragged trying to avoid the conclusion scum were shopping for a counterwagon and failed.

Logically, gamma could not have been a planned bus because only Pickaxe Pete could be early army on the wagon.
If you read my post carefully I agree, planned bus was impossible based on claims. However I don’t see the evidence of a scum aiming for a counter wagon. I looked at the people on the wagon and a majority of the scum would have to be on Ban All Hydras.

I just don’t see that as viable based on my read.
That's also incorrect. Scum weren't sitting on one counterwagon alone, given the multitude that sprung up.
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Post Post #3526 (ISO) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:55 pm

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i think the SS wagon (other than the scumslip) is about as good as the gamma wagon yesterday. that is to say, i think its not good. and how often do scumslips actually come from scum?
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Post Post #3527 (ISO) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:56 pm

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I also object to the classification “running ragged” to avoid the conclusion.

None of that is opinion except how I processed the data. The fact the wagon was 3P driven if 3P claims are true.
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Post Post #3528 (ISO) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:56 pm

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In post 3526, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i think the SS wagon (other than the scumslip) is about as good as the gamma wagon yesterday. that is to say, i think its not good. and how often do scumslips actually come from scum?
Can you clarify this? I read it multple times and it sounds like you're implying the Gamma wagon wasn't good.
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Post Post #3529 (ISO) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:57 pm

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In post 3525, Titus wrote:
In post 3522, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3519, Titus wrote:@Mathblade, You're running yourself ragged trying to avoid the conclusion scum were shopping for a counterwagon and failed.

Logically, gamma could not have been a planned bus because only Pickaxe Pete could be early army on the wagon.
If you read my post carefully I agree, planned bus was impossible based on claims. However I don’t see the evidence of a scum aiming for a counter wagon. I looked at the people on the wagon and a majority of the scum would have to be on Ban All Hydras.

I just don’t see that as viable based on my read.
That's also incorrect. Scum weren't sitting on one counterwagon alone, given the multitude that sprung up.
A multitude didnt spring up. They were there already.

Check the VC again Titus. Scum were inactive/ineffective.
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Post Post #3530 (ISO) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:00 pm

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In post 3528, Titus wrote:
In post 3526, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i think the SS wagon (other than the scumslip) is about as good as the gamma wagon yesterday. that is to say, i think its not good. and how often do scumslips actually come from scum?
Can you clarify this? I read it multple times and it sounds like you're implying the Gamma wagon wasn't good.
it hit scum (probably?). in that sense it was good. but the wagon itself i thought was bad at the time. i never understood why it was so quick to form, why there were no counterwagons, except on BH who was even townier, or what the reasons for the wagon were to begin with.
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Post Post #3531 (ISO) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:00 pm

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In post 3529, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3525, Titus wrote:
In post 3522, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3519, Titus wrote:@Mathblade, You're running yourself ragged trying to avoid the conclusion scum were shopping for a counterwagon and failed.

Logically, gamma could not have been a planned bus because only Pickaxe Pete could be early army on the wagon.
If you read my post carefully I agree, planned bus was impossible based on claims. However I don’t see the evidence of a scum aiming for a counter wagon. I looked at the people on the wagon and a majority of the scum would have to be on Ban All Hydras.

I just don’t see that as viable based on my read.
That's also incorrect. Scum weren't sitting on one counterwagon alone, given the multitude that sprung up.
A multitude didnt spring up. They were there already.

Check the VC again Titus. Scum were inactive/ineffective.
Scum were. Whenever they'd get on a counterwagon, it died most likely. Scum tried to get counters but town (or town plus 3p if semantic) had synergized.

Now, rather than bicker about theory, let's talk about reads.

I will agree you make a decent point to bump down Pickaxe Pete though.
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Post Post #3532 (ISO) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:01 pm

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In post 3505, Nero Cain wrote:hunting 3p is a pro-scum move
Are you talking this game or in general?
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Post Post #3533 (ISO) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:02 pm

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Post Post #3534 (ISO) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:03 pm

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like, I do understand that others could be paranoid about our claims but hunting 3p instead of army is either stupid or scummy.
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Post Post #3535 (ISO) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:04 pm

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In post 3507, superbowl9 wrote:
In post 1521, Nero Cain wrote:im counting a50 and SB. Even if they do win with the town I feel like anything that's not TOWN is scum. There are those that say that a 3p that can win with town aren't scum but I don't really buy into that philosophy.
In post 1848, Nero Cain wrote:my thoughts on 3p always being scum despite being able to win with town are consistent throughout my time on site.
In post 1971, Nero Cain wrote:imagine thinking that a claimed 3p is town.
In post 1974, Nero Cain wrote:superbowl and a50 but they win with the town and ONLY the town, they promise.
Queue your claim:
In post 3505, Nero Cain wrote:I feel like you and april and whomever pushing us has a good chance of being scum b/c hunting 3p is a pro-scum move.
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In post 3520, TheGoldenParadox wrote:"i didn't check the TOWN wincon" as opposed to "i didn't check MY wincon"
Why should I drag my alignment into this? The town wincon is available for everyone to see.
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Post Post #3537 (ISO) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:04 pm

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in a shocking development, the 3p wants us to not look at the 3p.
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Post Post #3538 (ISO) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:05 pm

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I don't understand why you think one way of phrasing is more likely from one alignment than the other. They are equivalent.
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Post Post #3539 (ISO) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:05 pm

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In post 3530, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 3528, Titus wrote:
In post 3526, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i think the SS wagon (other than the scumslip) is about as good as the gamma wagon yesterday. that is to say, i think its not good. and how often do scumslips actually come from scum?
Can you clarify this? I read it multple times and it sounds like you're implying the Gamma wagon wasn't good.
it hit scum (probably?). in that sense it was good. but the wagon itself i thought was bad at the time. i never understood why it was so quick to form, why there were no counterwagons, except on BH who was even townier, or what the reasons for the wagon were to begin with.
Gamma's played with a lot of people. Meta. He really does omgus and self-wagon analyze way more as town than he did when he got here.
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Post Post #3540 (ISO) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:05 pm

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In post 3530, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 3528, Titus wrote:
In post 3526, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i think the SS wagon (other than the scumslip) is about as good as the gamma wagon yesterday. that is to say, i think its not good. and how often do scumslips actually come from scum?
Can you clarify this? I read it multple times and it sounds like you're implying the Gamma wagon wasn't good.
it hit scum (probably?). in that sense it was good. but the wagon itself i thought was bad at the time. i never understood why it was so quick to form, why there were no counterwagons, except on BH who was even townier, or what the reasons for the wagon were to begin with.
I think you and I have a different standard for counterwagons.

This post comes from someone who recognizes they are on the outside.

Talk to me about your reads a bit. Who do you want to eliminate (aside from shellyc)?
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Post Post #3541 (ISO) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:05 pm

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In post 3531, Titus wrote:
In post 3529, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3525, Titus wrote:
In post 3522, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3519, Titus wrote:@Mathblade, You're running yourself ragged trying to avoid the conclusion scum were shopping for a counterwagon and failed.

Logically, gamma could not have been a planned bus because only Pickaxe Pete could be early army on the wagon.
If you read my post carefully I agree, planned bus was impossible based on claims. However I don’t see the evidence of a scum aiming for a counter wagon. I looked at the people on the wagon and a majority of the scum would have to be on Ban All Hydras.

I just don’t see that as viable based on my read.
That's also incorrect. Scum weren't sitting on one counterwagon alone, given the multitude that sprung up.
A multitude didnt spring up. They were there already.

Check the VC again Titus. Scum were inactive/ineffective.
Scum were. Whenever they'd get on a counterwagon, it died most likely. Scum tried to get counters but town (or town plus 3p if semantic) had synergized.

Now, rather than bicker about theory, let's talk about reads.

I will agree you make a decent point to bump down Pickaxe Pete though.
My reads are based on theory. So if you don’t understand my theory you won’t understand my reads. Because you’ve got a lot of people as scum the VCA doesn’t support. If you assume Pickaxe Pete is scum that’s in the inactive/ineffective column not the shopping for counter wagon as Pete’s never moved.

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In post 3526, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i think the SS wagon (other than the scumslip) is about as good as the gamma wagon yesterday. that is to say, i think its not good. and how often do scumslips actually come from scum?
Definitionally, 100% of the time.

But plenty of things look like scumslips that aren't.

Presumably you're asking "what percentage of alleged scumslips are real scumslips", which I would estimate at around 4%.
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Post Post #3543 (ISO) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:06 pm

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In post 3540, Titus wrote:
In post 3530, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 3528, Titus wrote:
In post 3526, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i think the SS wagon (other than the scumslip) is about as good as the gamma wagon yesterday. that is to say, i think its not good. and how often do scumslips actually come from scum?
Can you clarify this? I read it multple times and it sounds like you're implying the Gamma wagon wasn't good.
it hit scum (probably?). in that sense it was good. but the wagon itself i thought was bad at the time. i never understood why it was so quick to form, why there were no counterwagons, except on BH who was even townier, or what the reasons for the wagon were to begin with.
I think you and I have a different standard for counterwagons.

This post comes from someone who recognizes they are on the outside.

Talk to me about your reads a bit. Who do you want to eliminate (aside from shellyc)?
Something Smart, maaaybe Golden Paradox but that one is a stretch. I mainly have a lot of townreads atm.
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Post Post #3544 (ISO) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:07 pm

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@Mathblade:
What theory?
I have like 4 empirical bits of data that are reliable and unlikely to change but a theory seems a little far off.
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Post Post #3545 (ISO) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:07 pm

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In post 3514, MathBlade wrote:
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In post 1759, schadd_ wrote:
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Gamma Emerald (8):
Ban Hydras, Pickaxe Pete, Menalque, Titus, superbowl9, NorwegianboyEE, mastina, Morning Mage
Ban Hydras (6):
PlusJOYED, DiamondSentinel, Christøpher, Nero Cain, samantha97, Gamma Emerald
NorwegianboyEE (3):
Almost50, DrDolittle, TheGoldenParadox
Menalque (1):
jjh927
Almost50 (1):
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April Ludgate (1):
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DiamondSentinel (1):
Tayl0r Swift

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Almost50 a 3P leaves
Nero leaves

Mastina and Morning Mage enter the wagon.

This leaves Morning Mage and Pickaxe Pete as only potential army on the wagon.

On the Ban all hydras wagon added Nero Sam and GE
Nero is 3P who floated between the wagons
GE was voting the biggest wagon other than himself.

So we’re left with Plus DS Christopher (who I think is Chemist) and Samantha (scully I think)

Rule of three says there’s likely a scum somewhere in this list.

However again none of these were really pushing the wagons iirc (please correct me if I am wrong)
Based on tone this didn’t seem like a scum driven wagon either.

So this game seems to be driven by NT players.

This jives with my 2-8 out of no where scum bus just it was NT.
There's no such thing as a rule of three outside of what titus would call moon logic.
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Post Post #3546 (ISO) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:07 pm

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If anything, is scum indicative because it equates being not town with being scum when that clearly isn't the case.
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Post Post #3547 (ISO) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:08 pm

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In post 3537, Tayl0r Swift wrote:in a shocking development, the 3p wants us to not look at the 3p.
fmpov its no different than town being calling scum and saying that you shouldn't lynch me b/c its a mislynch.
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Post Post #3548 (ISO) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:11 pm

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In post 3544, Bell wrote:@Mathblade:
What theory?
I have like 4 empirical bits of data that are reliable and unlikely to change but a theory seems a little far off.
Not a theory but wagon theory.

The wagon theory says scum were ineffective/useless and not pushing the counter wagon.

Titus and I deviate here. I am guessing it’s because she’s 3P and wants to control it like she is town. So she’s trying to label herself as town to reach the conclusion she did. However as she’s claimed 3P the data doesn’t support it. It would maybe be a possibility if she was town but not 3P.
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Post Post #3549 (ISO) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:12 pm

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In post 3264, Titus wrote:
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A planned bus doesn't generate four counters. Scum would abandon the bus.

I have realistically 8 names that could be scum. I'm cutting off at above null right now. That needs to have 4 scum.

Can you look at your notes and see who overlaps?
@Math, Pete couldn't move to a counter without losing the towncred.

Second, if scum are in the ineffectives...that points to SS, jjh... DDL...and you.

I am pretty sure Pickaxe moves to Taylor level based on today's developments.
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