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In post 3520, Flavor Leaf wrote:

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In post 3519, Wallflower wrote:

In post 3517, Flavor Leaf wrote:Cat Scratch Fever, Megaza, Enchant hammer

means 11 votes are ready for Nashville.

I'm sure players like Menalque/SPC will join it.

WallFlower said they're not town reading Nashville and was there earlier.

Toogeloo and tictac as well.

This is not a wagon on scum, and if it is, they're Malefactor.


@Nashville - time to claim probably. E-4 in a large game.

You’re right that I would vote Nashville if I needed to

yep.

And that's why it's a wagon on town.

cat scratch was already on it, so i said 11 when it should have been 10.

but let's do the math.

23 minus Nashville, that's 22 players.

with those players listed, that's 15. If Menalque/SPC arent willing to vote there, then yeah, its still lower, but only if they stand by that, which I don't know where they stand, but i can see both of them voting there just to end.

I would likely end up voting despite my incessant town reads, and then somehow get blamed for it anyways because I generally just vote to end the day and get it over with even if it's a town read if i think there's merit to move on.

16 players that means are willing to vote Nashville.

Hmmm....I wonder why that is.

It's because both scum sides are willing to vote there.

Mastina seemed to town read there, I believe? I could be wrong.

So there is absolutely no chance that Nashville flips Group Scum here.

You could say that "SCUM ARE BUSSING"

with how hard I've been pushing Catboi and people's possible willingness to vote Catboi if it sped up?

Nope. Catboi would have more pressure outside of the mains.

Malcolm idk where they're at regarding the wagon.


So yeah, that's 16 out of 22 minimum votes on Nashville here.

this does not happen here if Nashville was scum full stop.

I hate this post. Like the logic behind it.

There was so much handwaving to get to that 16 out of 22 players willing to vote for Nashville = Nashville must be town.

1) Out of the 22 other players, only 3 would know that ND is scum if ND is scum. So already, that number fits in the gap.

2) It grouped in the people who are saying "ND is kinda scummy, but I am gonna vote someone else who I think is better" along side the people who are actively advocating for the ND elimination. Which, to be clear, is a very different stance - which totally leaves room for partners who don't think they can get by hard defending the slot, and would rather hope for something else to go through.

3) He counted Enchant, who said that he would hammer any wagon that got to E-1

4) He looped in himself, despite in the same post saying he has "incessant town reads" on the slot.

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So, all in all, this post is saying that if you add together [the people currently voting the wagon] + [the people voting different wagons, but not explicitly town reading the slot] + [People who have no stated read on the slot, but are hammer happy] + [People who explicitly town read the slot, but would vote there solely to keep the day from ending with no elimination] = then you get SIXTEEN PEOPLE !! So sus!!

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This post means nothing other then Flavor Leaf does not want the elimination to go through, and is trying to scare people away from it. So, everyone feel free to note that Flavor Leaf has a stated town read on the slot before deciding whether you want the wagon to go through, because I think that that is all I gained from reading this.

I guess an equal valid reading of that is that there are too few people with stated town reads on ND --- but, given scum in this game having 3 partners in 22 players, is equally useless information.

Yes, this game has more scum then normal 9/23. But that is when you look at the whole scum count.

Each team is at 4/23. Which is actually lower than an average game, meaning each individual scum team has much less influence and leverage.

In post 3523, mastina wrote:Wait is the half who should know you, Dunnstral?

Because if the half who should know you is Dunnstral, then the style of your signature + it being Dunnstral who should know you + your posting style, would all point me towards you being someone who has hydra'd with Dunnstral reasonably recently.

And if you are that player then we should be turbo-limming you because this is 200% that player's scumgame.

I don't think that they are the person you are thinking that they are here.

The expected recognition was not because of a hydra with Dunn - and I (Luke) was actually the one to figure it out.

In post 3525, Well Done wrote:1) Out of the 22 other players, only 3 would know that ND is scum if ND is scum. So already, that number fits in the gap.

16 townies agreeing on 1, nah.


Go ahead and flip Nashville. I'll be here to gloat when I'm right.

16 most of them townies*

I'll hammer anything not in my green that gets to E-1 on Day 1 if it's down to page 142.

doesn't mean im not gonna defend it.

In post 3525, Well Done wrote:3) He counted Enchant, who said that he would hammer any wagon that got to E-1

Enchant is a player with a vote in this game just like everyone else.

I admit, though, not my best post

In post 1787, catboi wrote:Can't wait to hear this lmao

I'd love to but I honestly don't think I have the energy to push FL today (this is both day phase and rl day).

He's scum, sure.

And I can explain why he's scum, sure.

I'd love to eliminate him because he's scum and he's literally posting in a method I would call the opposite of strategic lurking, so to speak, "strategic flooding": drowning out the entire town to make it so that his voice is disproportionately seen and listened to, to sway the town, drown out the good points, and leave only the weak points as remaining and visible and carried over long-term.

But while he's literally posting to make the town basically have no chance at winning, I don't think I can actually get the elimination there by pushing it. I want to, but I don't have the energy for it.

In post 1797, Toogeloo wrote:You realize you can tell if someone has looked at a PM you sent, right?

Well yes, that you can do.

But I wasn't saying you couldn't do that.

What you CAN'T do is tell if someone has looked at a PT you have granted them access to. Nobody can. I don't think even the administration has the tools to know a user has viewed a topic.

In post 1788, The Keeper wrote:So hands up who checks their Private Topics forum often without any particular reason.

That's the thing though.
This isn't "without any particular reason".

This is "Cephrir announced role PMs had gone out, it's universal that role PMs come with any PT access those role PMs give, scum get PT access when they have a role PM, so you can find out you're scum without opening your role PM". So all it'd take is momo strategically and deliberately not opening the role PM, checking PTs, seeing the scum PT, and nope'ing the fuck out without reading, as to attempt to avoid a moderator ban on him for strategic flaking. (The mods can punish someone for a trust tell who reads a scum role PM and then repeatedly replaces out. The mods cannot punish someone for a trust tell who repeatedly replaces out without having read the role PM.)

In post 1791, tictac wrote:momo might have used underhanded tactics and checked topics instead of the pm.

This is what I mean. momo is the type of player to do precisely this. I would like to remind you that momo is the player who . No, seriously, check this out for the proof.

That should give you an idea as to momo's (lack of) character.

So looking at PTs to see if you've randed scum and then simply not picking the role PM up if you did?

Entirely within momo's character and incredibly likely to be the case.

In post 3528, Flavor Leaf wrote:

In post 3525, Well Done wrote:1) Out of the 22 other players, only 3 would know that ND is scum if ND is scum. So already, that number fits in the gap.

16 townies agreeing on 1, nah.


Go ahead and flip Nashville. I'll be here to gloat when I'm right.

Did you answer my question or you can only shitpost big text, mastina

Wrong quote, bruh.

Just wanted to correct here's 14 townies.

Well Done, it's okay. I don't think there's anyone in the game that has actually been influenced by FL's townread on Nashville.

In post 3523, mastina wrote:And if you are that player then we should be turbo-limming you because this is 200% that player's scumgame.

fwiw I've worked out who bnuuy is and I don't get the impression that focusing on their identity is incredibly high-yield

In post 1829, butterchurn wrote:She also has been behind for most of the game so far, and if she were scum, she would need to start exerting some influence on the thread before town leaders take things in the correct direction.

Speaking from experience: catching up is the worst possible way to try and exert influence since catching up while behind decreases influence instead of increasing it.

In post 1809, butterchurn wrote:Maybe this is a discussion for elsewhere, but I'm not sure why people are allowed to just consistently replace out whenever they learn that they will be playing scum, if that is actually such a significant pattern that it's worth suspecting their replacement over.

They're not--it's considered a trust tell, and if the listmods are made aware of it, they will punish it. A player consistently replacing out as one alignment is, explicitly, a trust tell.

But momo, someone who has a demonstrated flagrant disregard for caring of the social norms/rules/etc.*, is exactly the type of person to have realized the workaround where you can't be punished for flaking out of a game you didn't pick up a role PM for, and weaponizing this.

(*My sense of moral decency obligates me to note that it is in fact fully possible momo has genuinely reformed, and knows how abhorrent that move was. If momo has genuinely reformed and truly is working to better their play to avoid doing things like the above, then I owe momo an apology for what amounts to badmouthing momo off of an old mistake that momo would genuinely regret. But I also feel the need to specify the 'if' there, and if momo hasn't genuinely reformed, well...)

In post 1826, butterchurn wrote: If I were scum, I would only be informed on the alignment of 3 other players, out of 22. And yet here you say that my reads look like they come from a perspective of having too much information involved in forming them. Unless you are talking about exactly 3 of my reads being based on too much information, I think this reason is fabricated.

Well, mostly, yes. About half of my scumreads are buddy-buddy to each other and antagonistic to the other half, and vice-versa. You included. So yes, you come from a perspective of too much information on 3 of your reads.

That having been said--only knowing the alignment of 3 players is more important than you think in multiball because the knowledge of who said 3 players are, can give you information on who isn't scum that you otherwise would be lacking.

To explain this, you can have a read on player A that is directly influenced by knowing player B is scum. That read on player A would be different without the knowledge player B is scum.

So while scum may only know the alignment of 3 players, they still have the ability to demonstrate TMI beyond their three scumbuddies.
Scum can demonstrate TMI by having formed one cohesive scumteam but having formed TWO cohesive scumteams.
Scum can demonstrate TMI by having the mindset of knowing that a player cannot be a member of one scumteam which paints their view on that slot.

And you show all of those markers.

(By the way this is also why FL is scum. He's got one largely coherent scumteam. He does not have two.)

(Speaking of scumteams tho. I think that I probably could form two mostly coherent scumteams if I sat down for like five, ten minutes and thought about it and did some mental math factchecking. For instance, right now there's mental math of FL + Enchant + bnuuy + 1, maybe Malcom? And then mental math of MonkeyMan + Toogeloo + butterchurn + 1, but like. This is purely from memory, I might be getting the team distribution wrong.

I don't think the scumreads are wrong. I think all of those are right. I've just not put in the time to remember which scumreads are most likely to be scum with which players.)

(Wait I think my mental math might be a bit off above, I think I might've had a thought of "Monkeyman and butterchurn are both scum, but on opposite teams" at some point?

FL and Enchant are hard-bound together; those two are always scum together.
FL and bnuuy are like 95% scum together.
So the FL scumteam has +1 from {MonkeyMan, Toogeloo, butterchurn, Malcom}, and the other 3 are scum together.

Like I said, I'm pretty sure I could figure out the team distribution if I thought about it more and did a little cross-checking but like. Even not bothering to look at FL's iso it's still a lot of work looking at all of their isos to check my mental math here.)

In post 3534, mastina wrote:I'd love to but I honestly don't think I have the energy to push FL today (this is both day phase and rl day).

He's scum, sure.

And I can explain why he's scum, sure.

I'd love to eliminate him because he's scum and he's literally posting in a method I would call the opposite of strategic lurking, so to speak, "strategic flooding": drowning out the entire town to make it so that his voice is disproportionately seen and listened to, to sway the town, drown out the good points, and leave only the weak points as remaining and visible and carried over long-term.

But while he's literally posting to make the town basically have no chance at winning, I don't think I can actually get the elimination there by pushing it. I want to, but I don't have the energy for it.

Didn't you push FL as April in a game i was with you in for the same reason and they flipped town? (I might be misremembering the reason, but i do remember this happened)

In post 3537, Wallflower wrote:Well Done, it's okay. I don't think there's anyone in the game that has actually been influenced by FL's townread on Nashville.

I loled.

In post 1880, NorwegianboyEE wrote:This game:
*Dips from game for a long time*

I've not dipped from the game, y'all are just spammy fucks.

I'm averaging over 4 posts per day. Over 4 posts, per 24 hours.

I've also, very clearly, been actively producing content every time I've been around with zero prod dodging. I really don't want to be spending as much time as I am on this game as-is (I haven't checked any mafiascum thread outside of this thread since it started--legit have neglected the entirety of the site for seven days), but as a matter of fact I AM spending that much time on this game.

I've not played League or TFT since this game began (meaning I've missed a solid week's worth of TFT rewards and missed out on my one-ranked-game-of-League-per-week this week), similarly out of neglecting everything for this game.

Weeks contain 168 hours within them; for this game, I've spent about 14-28 on this game. I'm far from dipping. You're just hyperposting.

In post 1899, MalcolmTucker wrote:While we're on Mastina, reading through their ISO and this feels like a really weak town read. Only no3 approaches any sort of proper detail or goes into specifics at all.

While the read I gave on Titus there would be weak if it was given on the current page, it was in fact not given on the current page. The post you are quoting was on page 18--literally over a hundred pages ago, still well within what in many ways was the RVS.

My read was plenty strong for that time period in the game.

This is also quite egregiously ignoring how that is not the reason I am townreading the slot.

I mentioned Titus's hard-townslip as hard-clearing them and how this is transparently Mala playing as town, and those are the main backing of the read. That what I said there still holds true of Titus's posting later is just icing on the cake.

In post 1909, Save The Dragons wrote:i think i'd still lim malcolm if given the opportunity

Ditto. The above post, 1899, feels scummy af to me for the mentioned reason of it being disingenuous-as-fuck.

Multiple times ^^^

Hot take:
The ultimate proof that Norwee is town this game rather than scum in multiball, is that if Norwee was scum Norwee would be playing better than Norwee is playing in this game.

In post 3524, mastina wrote:catboi is as town as town gets;

you have said a lot of things, but you still haven't expanded on this

In post 3547, Wallflower wrote:

In post 3524, mastina wrote:catboi is as town as town gets;

you have said a lot of things, but you still haven't expanded on this

I also have not gotten to the point in the game where catboi demonstrates this, now, have I?

I said it happened circa the 90s, I'm in the 80s still.

There's a reason my goal is to get to ~100.

In post 3548, mastina wrote:

In post 3547, Wallflower wrote:

In post 3524, mastina wrote:catboi is as town as town gets;

you have said a lot of things, but you still haven't expanded on this

I also have not gotten to the point in the game where catboi demonstrates this, now, have I?

I said it happened circa the 90s, I'm in the 80s still.

There's a reason my goal is to get to ~100.

It would seem to me that you have either read the game already, or have decided on your reads before reading the game, no?