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In post 3521, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:

In post 3519, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:CAN YOU LINK TO WHERE YOU'VE SEEN THIS SHIT DONE BEFORE?

I'M TAKING THIS THREAD FLAKE AS A SIGN THAT NO; NO YOU CAN NOT LINK TO WHERE YOU HAVE SEEN THIS SHIT BEFORE.

i'm not really interested in engaging with you if this is how you're going to be jumping to things

you're correct that i can't, i don't have the best memory for specific games

VOTE: SCRRRDBEAR

this isnt a salt vote at least as far as i can tell - i just think comparing his handling of me now compared to earlier it comes off as generally kind of manipulative, and that's not the first time i've noticed this game

i think theres issues with his posts, i'll bring them up when i'm in a mood where i'm more willing to play

In post 3525, Mistyx wrote:

In post 3521, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:

In post 3519, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:CAN YOU LINK TO WHERE YOU'VE SEEN THIS SHIT DONE BEFORE?

I'M TAKING THIS THREAD FLAKE AS A SIGN THAT NO; NO YOU CAN NOT LINK TO WHERE YOU HAVE SEEN THIS SHIT BEFORE.

i'm not really interested in engaging with you if this is how you're going to be jumping to things

you're correct that i can't, i don't have the best memory for specific games

In post 3526, Mistyx wrote:VOTE: SCRRRDBEAR

this isnt a salt vote at least as far as i can tell - i just think comparing his handling of me now compared to earlier it comes off as generally kind of manipulative, and that's not the first time i've noticed this game

i think theres issues with his posts, i'll bring them up when i'm in a mood where i'm more willing to play

In post 2226, Mistyx wrote:

In post 2221, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:

In post 2217, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:I PREFER TO HAMMER KITTY OVER T3

In post 2218, Mistyx wrote:i think id rather kill t3

ARE WE TRUE OPPOSITES?

i mean i dont like how much of a fuss he's been making about catching up and then posts a completely unexplained readlist

In post 2287, Mistyx wrote:VOTE: T3

In post 2288, Mistyx wrote:asks for people to engage with him answers a softball complains about being shaded then dips instead of answering actual questions

this can die

THIS IS FUN: KEEP THE ABOVE FROM MISTYX IN MIND WHEN READING THE BELOW.

In post 3241, Mistyx wrote:

In post 3237, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:

In post 3235, Mistyx wrote:

In post 3226, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:CHARLOUX TALKED ME OUT OF MY TOWNREAD ON MISTYX BEFORE THEY TRANSFORMED INTO NERO CAIN.

well we've got time you wanna talk this out or no

THE MAIN CONTENTION WAS WHETHER I WAS OVERTHINKING YOUR SLOT OR THEY WERE UNDERTHINKING IT. I AGREED WITH WHAT THEY SAID BUT PROPOSED YOU WERE BEING SETUP AS A VIABLE MISLIM, FOR EXAMPLE, T3 END OF DAY BEHAVIOR BEING INTENDED TO FRAME YOU BY LOOKING LIKE A SHITTY DISTANCING ATTEMPT. IT WOULD HELP ME IF YOU EXPLAINED YOUR READ TRAJECTORIES D2.

my short term memory sucks

which ones specifically

In post 3514, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:

In post 3513, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:MISTYX CAN YOU ELABORATE ON YOUR S_S READ?

In post 3516, Mistyx wrote:i mean most of the stuff i have to scumread him i already mentioned not much has changed since then

i think the "scum ss would talk more about T3 in order to get actual cred" argument has some merit but not as much as he's acting like it does

SO AFTER EVADING EXPLAINING ANYTHING TO ME FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE, I HAVE TO GO DIG THROUGH YOUR ISO TO FIND THE TWO POSTS WHERE YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YOU EVER THOUGHT SS IS SCUM IN THE FIRST PLACE. BY THE WAY, IT'S CALLED "WORKING MEMORY" MISTYX AND IT'S A SCUM TELL CALLED THE NSG TELL.

ANYWAY, I CAN NOW PRESENT YOUR 2 SS POSTS FOR ALL TO SEE:

In post 2726, Mistyx wrote:VOTE: Something_Smart

feel like this is a hit btw

Y to eat breakfast

GREAT STUFF. YOU HAVE TO GO EAT BREAKFAST. TOO BAD THAT DIDN'T HELP WITH YOUR "SHORT TERM MEMORY"

NOW THERE IS ONLY ONE POST WHERE YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR READ ON SS.

In post 2744, Mistyx wrote:

In post 2737, Something_Smart wrote:

In post 2726, Mistyx wrote:VOTE: Something_Smart

feel like this is a hit btw

going to eat breakfast

why

you're flying under the radar

this isnt indicative of anything on its own but i think you're doing that on purpose

townread kitty in 1444 then start pushing him in 1818 / 1831 / start of d2

i don't think you have conviction in your reads and are just posting stuff to not get pushed

...BUT APPARENTLY YOU ALSO THINK THAT'S NOT INDICATIVE OF ANYTHING. OKAY. YOU JUST THINK HE'S DOING IT ON PURPOSE.



#1 SS CHANGING HIS READ ON KITTY OVER THE SPAN OF ~400 POSTS, BETWEEN 1444 AND THEN 1818 / 1832 / IS WHY YOU SUSPECT SS IS SCUM.

#2 YOU DON'T THINK SS HAS CONVICTION IN HIS READS AND

#3 HE IS JUST POSTING STUFF NOT TO GET PUSHED

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OKAY GREAT. THANKS FOR WASTING MY TIME PULLING ALL THAT UP.

YOUR EXPLANATION #1 IS HORSESHIT END OF STORY. SS READ CHANGING OVER THE COURSE OF A NIGHT A PHASE AND ~400 POSTS IS NOT SUSPICIOUS.

NOW, CAN YOU QUOTE THE POSTS OR INDICATE THE ABSENCE OF WORDS/POSTS WHERE YOU THINK SS WAS HOLDING BACK WHICH CAUSED YOU TO FORM YOUR OPINIONS #2 AND #3?

TO BE EXPLICITLY CLEAR, I WANT TO KNOW WHY YOU THINK #2 SS DOESN'T HAVE CONVICTION IN HIS READS AND #3 WHY YOU THINK SS IS JUST POSTING STUFF NOT TO GET PUSHED.

In post 3526, Mistyx wrote:this isnt a salt vote at least as far as i can tell - i just think comparing his handling of me now compared to earlier it comes off as generally kind of manipulative, and that's not the first time i've noticed this game

actually i'm going to elaborate on this now because i don't want to cause more badfeels than necessary

there was a point early on (675) where he was reassuring me when i was worrying about posting badly

i think considering the context of how he reacted to me pushing him here (and less so earlier when he said i was getting paranoid from sleep deprivation) that was more of a pocket attempt than genuine reassurance

p-edit: i acknowledge your responses i'm not going to read them or continue this conversation until tomorrow, thanks

In post 3528, Mistyx wrote:p-edit: i acknowledge your responses i'm not going to read them or continue this conversation until tomorrow, thanks

MORE STALLING

VCA NEEDS TO BE PERFORMED ASSUMING A T3/TITUS/MISTYX TEAM

GOD AM I GOING TO HAVE TO DO ALL THE GOOD SOLVING TODAY. I AM TERRIBLE AT VCA.

WHAT DOES "OVERLOADING A WAGON" MEAN?

DO I HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL POST GAME BEFORE THE PROTECTORS OF STARCLAN REALIZE T3/TITUS/MISTYX ARE DARK ONES? WHERE ARE ALL THE GOOD PLAYERS?

I GUESS I WILL HAVE TO DO THE VCA TO FIND THE LAST TWO ON MY OWN.

In post 3525, Mistyx wrote:you're correct that i can't, i don't have the best memory for specific games

In post 3434, Toogeloo wrote:

In post 3432, Nero Cain wrote:@ bell/Toog why the votes on PP?

For me, it's simply because Titus is a Wind Cat.

TOOGLE MY DUDE, TITUS ISN'T A REAL WIND CAT SHE IS A SPY WHO PLANTED HERSELF THERE. LOOK AT MISTYX TRAJECTORY TODAY JUMPING OFF OF TITUS AND ONTO ME. I GET YOU WANT TO LOOK OUT FOR YOUR CLAN BUT YOU GUYS WILL HAVE TO BITE THE BULLET ON TITUS SOONER OR LATER, SHE JUST ISN'T A PROTECTOR OF STARCLAN, IT IS OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WHO CAN ACTUALLY READ HER PROFICIENTLY. I DON'T REALLY SCUM READ ANYONE ELSE IN YOUR CLAN AND I CAN PROMISE AFTER TITUS GOES YOUR MEMBERS WON'T BE UNDER ANY MORE PRESSURE FOR AT LEAST A FEW GAMEDAYS IF NOT THE REST OF THE GAME EVEN. I GET THAT PENGUIN DOESN'T LOOK THAT TOWNIE BUT THIS IS THE BEST I'VE EVER SEEN THEM PLAY AND I THINK THEY ARE SINCERE. PENGUIN AND TITUS AREN'T THUNDERDOMING IN A TvT SENSE HE IS JUST FIXATED ON HER BECAUSE IT IS OBVIOUS SHE WILL FLIP SCUM AND THE NUMBERS AREN'T MATERIALIZING TO PUSH HER THROUGH.

In post 3533, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:I GET THAT PENGUIN DOESN'T LOOK THAT TOWNIE BUT THIS IS THE BEST I'VE EVER SEEN THEM PLAY AND I THINK THEY ARE SINCERE. PENGUIN AND TITUS AREN'T THUNDERDOMING IN A TvT SENSE HE IS JUST FIXATED ON HER BECAUSE IT IS OBVIOUS SHE WILL FLIP SCUM AND THE NUMBERS AREN'T MATERIALIZING TO PUSH HER THROUGH.

IMO PENGUIN IS OBVTOWN BUT I WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT THAT IF I HADN'T PLAYED WITH THEM BEFORE SO I CAN EMPATHIZE THEY DON'T LOOK THAT TOWNIE FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW. I THINK PENGUIN IS PLAYING WELL THIS GAME AND YOU SHOULD TRUST US AND HELP TO ELIMINATE TITUS INSTEAD.

In post 3446, Datisi wrote:i'm gonna do a funny

VOTE: flow trap

(still support the titus wagon, still wanna see her potentially run up, but if we're talking counterwagons, this one might be interesting)

Yeah I'm not so sure about catboi having been town anymore, flow has been pretty quiet and on some deliberation I don't like catboi's push on me d2.

Like yeah the EoD stuff is kinda townie but not the votes around me and T3.

In post 3535, KittyTacky wrote:

In post 3446, Datisi wrote:i'm gonna do a funny

VOTE: flow trap

(still support the titus wagon, still wanna see her potentially run up, but if we're talking counterwagons, this one might be interesting)

Yeah I'm not so sure about catboi having been town anymore, flow has been pretty quiet and on some deliberation I don't like catboi's push on me d2.

I THINK IT'S TINFOIL, SORRY. ARE YOU GOOD AT VCA?

PEDIT

CATBOI ISN'T THE BEST SCUMHUNTER AND I THINK THIS GAME IS HARD IN PARTICULAR. I'M NOT A FAN OF THIS DIRECTION.

In post 3478, boy next door wrote:i'm not sure about you guys but i'm a big fan of reading AND posting game related content

How about you do it then?

SCRRRDBEAR wrote:

In post 3535, KittyTacky wrote:

In post 3446, Datisi wrote:i'm gonna do a funny

VOTE: flow trap

(still support the titus wagon, still wanna see her potentially run up, but if we're talking counterwagons, this one might be interesting)

Yeah I'm not so sure about catboi having been town anymore, flow has been pretty quiet and on some deliberation I don't like catboi's push on me d2.

I THINK IT'S TINFOIL, SORRY. ARE YOU GOOD AT VCA?

PEDIT

CATBOI ISN'T THE BEST SCUMHUNTER AND I THINK THIS GAME IS HARD IN PARTICULAR. I'M NOT A FAN OF THIS DIRECTION.

Not really, but as has been said he pushed me pretty hard and yet didn't vote me, which imo is scummy. I'm still not solid on this SR but I still have been ensheeped.

In post 3139, Ydrasse wrote:Titus: Cephrir, PenguinPower, fireisredsir

WHY IS CEPHRIR ON TITUS EOD 2 AND NOT ON THEM TODAY? JUST PLOPPED YOUR VOTE DOWN THERE FOR SHOW?

In post 3526, Mistyx wrote:VOTE: SCRRRDBEAR

this isnt a salt vote at least as far as i can tell - i just think comparing his handling of me now compared to earlier it comes off as generally kind of manipulative, and that's not the first time i've noticed this game

i think theres issues with his posts, i'll bring them up when i'm in a mood where i'm more willing to play

Doesn't answer question, votes the questioner instead...

My limpool has grown.

Ceph is on Titus.

In post 3539, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:

In post 3139, Ydrasse wrote:Titus: Cephrir, PenguinPower, fireisredsir

WHY IS CEPHRIR ON TITUS EOD 2 AND NOT ON THEM TODAY? JUST PLOPPED YOUR VOTE DOWN THERE FOR SHOW?

In post 3541, PenguinPower wrote:Ceph is on Titus.

SORRY CEPHRIR.

CAN ANYONE DISPROVE A T3/TITUS/MISTYX/KITTYTACKY/DATISI SOLVE?

In post 3543, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:CAN ANYONE DISPROVE A T3/TITUS/MISTYX/KITTYTACKY/DATISI SOLVE?

HEY MATHBLADE CAN YOU DISPROVE A T3/TITUS/MISTYX/KITTYTACKY/DATISI TEAM WITH VCA?

"disprove"

"With vca"

Sigh

In post 3544, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:

In post 3543, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:CAN ANYONE DISPROVE A T3/TITUS/MISTYX/KITTYTACKY/DATISI SOLVE?

HEY MATHBLADE CAN YOU DISPROVE A T3/TITUS/MISTYX/KITTYTACKY/DATISI TEAM WITH VCA?

I just got done with a shit ton of RL peopling

I don’t have the spoons to prove or disprove a and b are letters of the alphabet let alone a solve atm.

I am going to go with it’s unlikely because team wolves are generally wrong.

The VCA I did do off a very limited selection of VCs earlier suggested Kitty town iirc. Will check wind PT when I feel human. I also think Titus is town so that’s another reason it’s likely wrong.

And no I haven’t read anything else here

In post 3530, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:VCA NEEDS TO BE PERFORMED ASSUMING A T3/TITUS/MISTYX TEAM

GOD AM I GOING TO HAVE TO DO ALL THE GOOD SOLVING TODAY. I AM TERRIBLE AT VCA.

WHAT DOES "OVERLOADING A WAGON" MEAN?

Not sure on context here

It’s generally when a large group of scum is on any one wagon / avoiding it there’s a huge risk of eventually someone on the team being sussed. Scum tend to (but not always) be split on wagons for this reason even subconsciously. It’s not an absolute but a good rule of thumb,

In post 3513, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:MISTYX CAN YOU ELABORATE ON YOUR S_S READ?

BELL CAN YOU ELABORATE ON YOUR MISTYX READ?

She's doing more work in this game and seemingly being more inquisitive than scum her.
In addition, I don't think that she interacts with T3 as they did if they were partners.

It's honestly, good enough for me.

Generally an intro VCA takes a look and see what narrative the votes themselves do. Since the moderator is a neutral party taking votes whenever they like/proper it’s usually enough to build a narrative.

Then you compare that narrative to the one in thread.

Eg an elim on scum with limited wagons says uninfluential scum couldn’t say them (or didn’t want to)
But an elim on scum on a flash wagon or with many other wagons suggests a heated debate/deadline/freak out.

So if there was randomly a flash wagon without a heated debate or limited wagons but players were successful in several pulls off and on
This helps you to find places to read to catch up on.

Imho it can help reinforce or disprove a given narrative more so than “prove” any particular team.

VCA can strongly suggest and without like a supporting defense otherwise go with it.

VCA to me is like circumstantial evidence not a smoking gun. Sometimes it’s all you got if scum are good but it is still evidence.