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Nachomamma8 wrote:And tomorrow, people aren't going to claim who they stalked?

Uhm .... thinking that over

I've done some thought on it. We don't claim who we're stalking tonight, but we claim tomorrow, success or failure. Don't want to get in a huge in-depth discussion as to why because I don't want to let the cult in on my thought process.

Ben, I don't really want town to give up an action for no reason, and one rob alone is free. Mind if I (or some other townread of yours) take over one of your robs so we get one more town action in the mix? I understand that you've elected your townreads to stalk, but they can still rob AND stalk so townies aren't having not-free robs.

As for this list:

Ben wrote: kunkstar7
Baby Spice
Feysal
Plum
Triglav
AurorusVox
totallynotmafia
Nicodemus(lurker)

I like it, with two caveats:

1. You mentioned it was an ordered list. My advice for the stalkers is - disregard the 'order'. I want cult to have NO idea who on that list is getting the stalk treatment. My advice is to remove anyone you're not super-happy about stalking and then roll a die for the rest.

2. I seem to remember Feysal being semi-confirmed from some thread happening? I'd appreciate someone with a sharper memory to confirm/deny this one.

Working on the updated reference, should be in your grubby hands Tuesday night sometime. (I have a Latin final in 14 hours to worry about first.)

EBWOP: Also, any chance we could add Andrius to that list? Still skeevy about him taking obsession and immediately trying to get rid of it (if you didn't want to use commune a bunch the fuck would you take obsession for) but that's a better vig than a lynch, I feel.

Fey was the other guy to rez Wicked.

Ah yeah. With Wicked's townflip, I think Feysal is a fairly likely townie. Something to look in to in a few days, sure, but not on the same scale as the rest of that list.

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(you can replace him with Andrius so the number stays the same )

Feysal was second, first I believe being nachos spot. Also nachos spot was communed by triglav.

I agree with the list and with hito's nomination

(AurorusVox, Wraith, VP Baltar, Plum, Benmage, hitorogoshi, Nachomamma8, Seacore)
(Trilobite, )
(Baby Spice)

Not Voting (10) - (Andrius, Feysal, Iecerint, kunkstar7, Nicodemus, SpyreX, totallynotmafia, Triglav, VasudeVa, xvart)

The deadline for today's lynch is Saturday, 18 December 2010 at 1:30:00 AM (default site time).

I don't really get why Feysal or AV are on the stalk list. Also, I don't think Nacho being communed clears him (or even makes him all that much less likely) of being cult. Other than that, the list looks ok to me.

I think Ben just has a hate on for me because I rode his ass raw about not going through with his stalk...

The basis of the claim was that scumFeysal may have lied about his action, since beating the cult kill becomes overdetermined if his intervention is considered. I don't think it has anything to do with Wicked's alignment...we pretty much knew he was town from D2 s/p no other revive claims the same night.

Fine, I guess I'm stalking then?

That puts Spy at nine votes. Vote count is on this page even, no excuses.

Would also echo Seacore and Hito by asking Andrius be put on the stalk list please. At absolute best he is a chronic lurker, still think he is likely scum though. Rest of the list looks good.

~Sotty

So looking at the stalk-kill dealio I think it's good. Had we had any rogue murderers I would be wary of the amount of sanctioned stalkers but we seem to be lucky in that aspect, I do foresee some cross-stalking though, with 5? stalkers and 8? targets. We'll just have to evaluate those claims when they come.

@benmage:
N0: Search Rez Kit
N1: Rescusitate hitogoroshi
N2: Grave Rob: ReaperCharlie, MagnaofIllusion
N3: Rescucitate hitogoroshi.

VP Baltar wrote:I don't really get why Feysal or AV are on the stalk list. Also, I don't think Nacho being communed clears him (or even makes him all that much less likely) of being cult. Other than that, the list looks ok to me.

Nacho's slot in addition to being communed claimed the rez on wicked before Feysal.

AurorusVox wrote:I think Ben just has a hate on for me because I rode his ass raw about not going through with his stalk...

Which was such horrid logic. You actually thought I was scum creating some insane gamble instead of seeing the simple logical truth.

Then there was the whole having occult books..not having occult books....Yeah I think you're best grave robbing tonight.

Wraith wrote:Fine, I guess I'm stalking then?

Yeah, that'll probably be best for you.

@Hito I want to make sure we see ELG's and SpyreX's flip. I can only be 100% sure with myself being a rob graver on both. I think me double rob graving for just tonight is fine.

And VPB/Hito/Sea seeing as you are 3 of the 4/5 stalkers....You guys simply don't have to stalk Feysal or AV, or anyone you dislike on the list.

benmage wrote:Nacho's slot in addition to being communed claimed the rez on wicked before Feysal.

Well, scum know who they killed. In fact, I would almost expect scum to claim first if they failed at killing. But whatever. I think you need to be looking at play, and as far as I'm concerned, Feysal looks much more protown than Nacho or NPAU ever did.

ben wrote:And VPB/Hito/Sea seeing as you are 3 of the 4/5 stalkers....You guys simply don't have to stalk Feysal or AV, or anyone you dislike on the list.

I realize this, but I'm just voicing dissent because us killing town players is still bad even if we're moving forward with a stalk-murder plan. I hate to vocalize like this because it does point out to the scum who I am more likely to go after, but if our NK plan goes sideways (ie, we hit all town or something) we're going to be in a deep dark place real soon. So, ultimately it is your choice who goes on there, but I am still going to want it to be filled with people I think have a high probability of being scum.

Benmage wrote:Which was such horrid logic. You actually thought I was scum creating some insane gamble instead of seeing the simple logical truth.

No; I admitted that you were town AFTER you had completed the stalk/murder attempt. Before that, you had NOTHING to back up your stalk claim. I could turn around and say: "Oh, hey, I stalked XXX" and if I then didn't follow through with it, that WOULDN'T make me town, would it? Saying anything else is the horrid logic.

Benmage wrote:Then there was the whole having occult books..not having occult books....Yeah I think you're best grave robbing tonight.

If I was cult, why would I not have just lied and continued to say that I had books? I mistook what item I'd searched for N0, and then acknowledged the mistake. If I was cult, on the other hand, I'd know which of the zero insanity people really had zero insanities (i.e. which ones weren't cult) and fabricate a result that would be impossible to distinguish from the real result, which would ALSO enable me to explain away an insanity. Admitting I'd made a mistake makes NO cult sense whatsoever. This is further horrid logic.

AurorusVox wrote:

Benmage wrote:Which was such horrid logic. You actually thought I was scum creating some insane gamble instead of seeing the simple logical truth.

No; I admitted that you were town AFTER you had completed the stalk/murder attempt. Before that, you had NOTHING to back up your stalk claim. I could turn around and say: "Oh, hey, I stalked XXX" and if I then didn't follow through with it, that WOULDN'T make me town, would it?

Saying anything else is the horrid logic

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Suggesting Cult was making the gamble, and wanting the act followed through is one thing. But you believed that I was cult lying to be the case over me being town/stalking. I.E. you believed the farfetched slight chance conclusion over the 10X more logical one.

Benmage wrote:(1) Suggesting Cult was making the gamble, and wanting the act followed through is one thing. (2) But you believed that I was cult lying to be the case over me being town/stalking. I.E. you believed the farfetched slight chance conclusion over the 10X more logical one.

How does (1) =/= (2)?

Sorry guys have been hectically moving house for the past four days and haven't had access to the internet, I'll make a proper post tonight, please don't end the day before then.

I would prefer Plum with Benmage on the El Goosuki grave rob because I'm most concerned about her being Cult.

Also, have we thought ahead to the possible pile of bodies tomorrow?

D4 Noises/Ward List Final

Andrius

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

AurorusVox

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Baby Spice

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Benmage

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Nicodemus

Bowser

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

El Goosuki

- Lynched D3

Fate

- Modkilled D1

Feysal

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Furcolow

- Murdered N3

Furpants_Tom

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N2

hitorogoshi

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

kunkstar7

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Lost Butterfly

- Murdered N1

MagnaofIllusion

- Lynched D2

Plum

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

ReaperCharlie

- Modkilled D1

Wraith

rewq455

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Seacore

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

SpyreX

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

nopointinactingup

Super Smash Bros. Fan

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

totallynotmafia

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Triglav

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

Trilobite

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

VasudeVa

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

VP Baltar

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Wickedestjr

- Killed by Unspeakable Being N3

Iecerint

manho Wingless

- No Noises, Did Not Ward

xvart

-

Heard Noises

, Did Not Ward

Final Day 1 Noise/Ward List

Final Day 2 Noise/Ward/Insanity List

Final Day 3 Noise/Ward/Insanity List (at the bottom)

D4 Claimed Insanities Final

Andrius

[3] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish), Obsession (N2, Commune), Soloist (N3, Commune)

Baby Spice

[1] - Twitchy (N3, Communed Furcolow)

Benmage

[4] - Suicidal (N0, stalked Fate), Obsession (N1, Stalked Unknown), Taboo (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Killed SpyreX)

El Goosuki

[1] - Suicidal (N2, Cower)

hitorogoshi

[2] - Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave), Soloist (N3, Received Fetish)

Nicodemus

[1] - Twitchy (N3, Cower)

Kunkstar7

[2] - Soloist (N2, Rob Grave), Twitchy (N2, Rob Grave)

Seacore

[1] - Soloist (N3, Rob Grave)

SpyreX

[4] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Taboo (N2, Taboo - Books), Soloist (N3, Rob Grave), Obsession (N3, Rob Grave)

Triglav

[2] - Twitchy (N2, Commune)

Trilobite

[1] - Twitchy (N3, Rob Grave)

VP Balter

[2] - Twitchy (N2, Commune), Soloist (N2, Rob Grave)

Wicked

[2] - Twitchy (N1, killed and rezzed), Suicidal (N2, Rob Grave)

Wraith

[1] - Twitchy (N1, Received Fetish)

xvart

[3] - Twitchy (N2, Stalked Furculow), Soloist (N3, Murdered Furcolow), Obsession (N3, Received Fetish)

xvart wrote:I would prefer Plum with Benmage on the El Goosuki grave rob because I'm most concerned about her being Cult.

Also, have we thought ahead to the possible pile of bodies tomorrow?

Plum is with me on El G.