Gay Mafia II: RIDE THE LIGHTNING (Game Over)

[DrippingGoofball]

But, while on the subject, DGB, does Trollie's claim that he has a confirmable double vote change your opinion about anything at all?

Yes - if I see proof.

[Magua]

Hooray.

So.

Let's run someone -- and by someone I mean vollkan -- up to L-2 and have Trollie vote.

(And if Trollie votes and it's not a lynch, I will beg a thousand forgivenesses from you and spread rose petals everywhere you walk and peel and feed you grapes, etc, etc.)

[dramonic]

Man, with a bookie in the setup youd think scum would have some form of vote manipulation
Oh wait

[Iecerint]

The scenario iece suggested has trillie scum, theres no "unless he's town" option in it :p
I understand the zoraster issue, let me think bout it when im not phoneposting

Well, Trollietown presumably wouldn't quicklynch Zora. But I missed that Zora would still be around in 3 man lylo.

[Magua]

Man, with a bookie in the setup youd think scum would have some form of vote manipulation
Oh wait

Hey.

Hey.

Dramonic.

Would you, as scum, leave alive a confirmed double voter for lylo?

[DrippingGoofball]

Man, with a bookie in the setup youd think scum would have some form of vote manipulation
Oh wait

Would they? How would that work? Am I missing something?

[DrippingGoofball]

Hooray.

So.

Let's run someone -- and by someone I mean vollkan -- up to L-2 and have Trollie vote.

(And if Trollie votes and it's not a lynch, I will beg a thousand forgivenesses from you and spread rose petals everywhere you walk and peel and feed you grapes, etc, etc.)

Why can't Trollie vote first, and if we see a double vote, we'll know?

[TheTrollie]

Trollie has yet to vote anyone, isn't that strange?

you won't see it until the lynch. I got mod confirmation that the extra vote doesnt show up in the VC. I've already been over this.

[DrippingGoofball]

Oh.

OK.

VOTE: vollkan

[dramonic]

Magua: if its trollie, id shoot him night 7
Trollie: yet it showed yesterday
Dgb: dont you FUCKING throw this game for town. That vote is absolute bs.

[Magua]

Trollie: yet it showed yesterday

It didn't, on the day that vollkan confirmed have his vote lost. Check out 3307. Trollie is voting Kawaii along with Zoidberg, and the VC shows 2 votes, not 3.

[TheTrollie]

Trollie: yet it showed yesterday

It didn't, on the day that vollkan confirmed have his vote lost. Check out 3307. Trollie is voting Kawaii along with Zoidberg, and the VC shows 2 votes, not 3.

ding ding ding

[dramonic]

Shrug, hardly relevant, was just an observation.
On a more serious note, for the exact same reason you dont wanna lynch outside of volk and zor, I dont wamt to lynch outside of trollie and zor.

[DrippingGoofball]

Trollie: yet it showed yesterday

It didn't, on the day that vollkan confirmed have his vote lost. Check out 3307. Trollie is voting Kawaii along with Zoidberg, and the VC shows 2 votes, not 3.

ding ding ding

Wait didn't you just say it only shows up as the LAST VOTE???

[DrippingGoofball]

Trollie has yet to vote anyone, isn't that strange?

you won't see it until the lynch. I got mod confirmation that the extra vote doesnt show up in the VC. I've already been over this.

But now the extra vote showed up in a prior votecount?

What The Coconut

UNVOTE:

[Iecerint]

I think the extra Trollie vote was D4 and vollkan lost his vote D5. So maybe it was just a VC error on D4?

[DrippingGoofball]

Dram pointed it out to the mod and it wasn't corrected, if memory serves.

[TheTrollie]

I think the extra Trollie vote was D4 and vollkan lost his vote D5. So maybe it was just a VC error on D4?

Yes, it was an error because Reck was not supposed to disclose my second vote in the vote count, yet he did accidentally and then fixed it. On D4 I was wielding my own vote + that of Jacob Savage (see my list of night actions which I disclosed earlier)

Trollie has yet to vote anyone, isn't that strange?

you won't see it until the lynch. I got mod confirmation that the extra vote doesnt show up in the VC. I've already been over this.

But now the extra vote showed up in a prior votecount?

What The Coconut

UNVOTE:

No, it NEVER shows up in the COUNT. Therefore, the only way to confirm me, is to show that when I'm on a wagon, the person will get killed at L-1.

btw, is there a reason we shouldnt get rid of the hated townie? I've only played with a hated townie once and it was in a RL game and I was the hated townie and i got lynched D1, BUT, it seems like a hated townie in LYLO = loss, right?

[DrippingGoofball]

Trollie: yet it showed yesterday

It didn't, on the day that vollkan confirmed have his vote lost. Check out 3307. Trollie is voting Kawaii along with Zoidberg, and the VC shows 2 votes, not 3.

ding ding ding

I'm confused. Where does this fit in?

[Magua]

Shrug, hardly relevant, was just an observation.
On a more serious note, for the exact same reason you dont wanna lynch outside of volk and zor, I dont wamt to lynch outside of trollie and zor.

Do you think vollkan is town?

Relatedly, who is your second suspect for scum?

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I don't remember ever seeing Trollie's vote listed as two on the vote count. I assumed that we would just have a lynch at L-1 and that would be the proof.

Seriously, this is a forum game with full history. Things like dramonic's "But your vote was listed as two yesterday oh wait no it wasn't" have no reason to exist. Take two seconds to ISO the mod and find such a vote count, don't just spew.

[Iecerint]

He is giving an example of Trollie voting while Vollkan had his vote gone and his vote only being counted as 1 vote.

The point is that it is consistent with the extra vote not being reflected in VCs.

[Iecerint]

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[Magua]

Hooray, thank you Iecerint.

@Mod:

Is the VC in 3000 correct in regards to 3 votes on Wyrd?

[Iecerint]

If we assume the Mod error reflects mistakenly including Trollie's doublevote twice explicitly, I think this makes it pretty likely that his ability is multishot (or at least more than 1-shot). That VC was D4 (with deadJS's vote), but Vollkan lost his vote D5. So it's only possible for those events to be related if Trollie steals votes from the future, which is zany.

Pedit: We've already asked the Mods about that like 4 times. Dram made a post about it a little bit farther down on the same page, DGB linked to Dram's post earlier today, and I commented on her linking of said post earlier today. Though I mean moar asking is fine, I guess.

[Iecerint]

EBWOP: only possible while Trollie is 1-shot*