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In post 3477, Ankamius wrote:Skitter can make plans like these, but planning specific details down to the wire enough to parry this kind of gamestate indirectly probably is out of her range

so in this context 'mastermind' means: plan an intricate bus on flubber?
i could plan it sure, don't think scum!me could carry it out as well as i would have had to here
idk why scum!me would want to bus flubber here either tho (because if i'm bussing him that started fairly early on day2 and i tried repeatedly to get him wagoned)

In post 3483, Succinct wrote:That's too easy, but what about NMSA/Elbirn?

i *really* don't know why you're scumreading elbirn

no

I mean mastermind as in "planning an intricate bus on flubber that will never go through"

the way d2 progressed towards the end would require very very good scum player to be able to coordinate properly I think

i think i'm decent enough at reading gamestates that i could sense what i would need to do to make that happen but i don't think i'm good enough at scum to actually do it well if that makes sense

i kinda tried pulling something kinda similar in the last extradition mafia actually (tried to not-bus a50 for most of the game; pretty sure nobody thought we were aligned in the end; i got caught for other reasons) but what i would have had to do here is on another level i think; don't think scum!me could pull it off the way i did here

like i'm *very* hyper-aware of where that line is and i know how to get close to it but i'm very scared of going overboard at the same time

but this is all self-meta so :shrug:

In post 3553, skitter30 wrote:i think i'm decent enough at reading gamestates that i could sense what i would need to do to make that happen but i don't think i'm good enough at scum to actually do it well if that makes sense

literally me

In post 3543, xRECKONERx wrote:Something keeps bugging me about Ank. I don't know what it is. Every logical bone in my body says she should be town but I keep getting premonition flashes of "this is the mastermind that pulled this whole thing off" and it eats away at me. I think Ank's continued reprisal of "omg this is so outside my scum range" is what's really bugging me. I hate self meta, especially when it is repeated over and over as a way to clear yourself as town.

I don't think scum would post this

In post 3553, skitter30 wrote:i think i'm decent enough at reading gamestates that i could sense what i would need to do to make that happen but i don't think i'm good enough at scum to actually do it well if that makes sense

i kinda tried pulling something kinda similar in the last extradition mafia actually (tried to not-bus a50 for most of the game; pretty sure nobody thought we were aligned in the end; i got caught for other reasons) but what i would have had to do here is on another level i think; don't think scum!me could pull it off

the way i did here

like i'm *very* hyper-aware of where that line is and i know how to get close to it but i'm very scared of going overboard at the same time

but this is all self-meta so :shrug:

Typo or scumslip? or am I misreading it?

i mean really?

Okay maybe we can just lynch nmsa

In post 3558, Elbirn wrote:Okay maybe we can just lynch nmsa

Said Elbirn, without voting. By all means, lynch me, but get reck tomorrow. (scum!me could say this, hoping you guys wouldn't follow up, gaining towncred. that would give reck some towncred as well I think, but not much. given the risk of town actually lynching me, scum!me wouldn't like the odds, and probably wouldn't say it. this would be wifom if I were scum, but it's something to think about nonetheless.)

In post 3557, skitter30 wrote:i mean really?

I have no clue how to recognize a scumslip, so I may as well point it out to people who do.

In post 3555, Ankamius wrote:

In post 3543, xRECKONERx wrote:Something keeps bugging me about Ank. I don't know what it is. Every logical bone in my body says she should be town but I keep getting premonition flashes of "this is the mastermind that pulled this whole thing off" and it eats away at me. I think Ank's continued reprisal of "omg this is so outside my scum range" is what's really bugging me. I hate self meta, especially when it is repeated over and over as a way to clear yourself as town.

I don't think scum would post this

maybe not. it definitely rings town initially, but it doesn't fit with his other posting so far. I don't know his meta, does reck usually (for lack of a better word) get angry like he did a few times?

As much as I would like to believe the "scum mastermind" theory if this were a story, I think it's just too unlikely that anyone actually pulls that off given how close it got. I'll review the vote progression on flubber though to see if it makes sense.

yes

Pedit: @3561

In post 3563, Ankamius wrote:yes

Pedit: @3561

ok. that post seems kinda out of character then.

So having looked at flubber's votes, it looks like (up to the fakeclaim) creature and succinct were on him the whole way. skitter hopped on and off. Ank was there for a bit but left for xtoxm. I just realized how much this sounds like innuendo dangit. This suggests skitter could be distancing maybe.

it fits tonally

he was just proven wrong on a read that was highly contested, so it makes sense that he's a lot less intense now than he was

the content itself hasn't really changed, just the way he's delivered it

gonna go reread Chara's d3 iso, see if I find anything

pedit:

Ankamius wrote:it fits tonally

he was just proven wrong on a read that was highly contested, so it makes sense that he's a lot less intense now than he was

the content itself hasn't really changed, just the way he's delivered it

I see what you mean. Is that another feature of his meta?

just general psychology

So Chara seems townie to me, and I've decided to do a proper readlist for the first time in a while. That's incoming soon hopefully.

Gut reads:

Elbirn: ehhhhhhhhhh I can't tell but maybe scum or misled town????
Nim: scumlean from ignoring my questions d1, but close to null from later posting
Succinct: I have no clue. Mild tr from Enter.
skitter: townlean from tone????
Chara: townlean from d3 opening, seems hard to fake but idk
reck: scummy, don't like the mildly illogical push on me/tris
tris: not enough content today, tr from voting Flubber?? or something I can't remember even though I just reread all the d2 vcs I is a dumb
Creature: No clue, not enough content, fear of lurkers means a small sr
Ank: town from the flubber push

purely logical readlist incoming soon maybe if I don't get bored/tired.

Actually I'm too tired to do good logical analysis that'll have to wait. In the mean time please anyone who's on hmu with any questions you have.

In post 3511, skitter30 wrote:

In post 3088, skitter30 wrote:

In post 3053, Ankamius wrote:Why would Flubber need to do anything when the wagon on him is already stalled? All he needs to do is not say anything too scummy and he's already set to be released from being today's lynch. The support against the wagons is not going to get higher than it already is without a huge centralized push as it is until it gets too close to deadline. Plus my influence is actually waning over time, and there is the very real threat that if it gets low enough, the wagons will dissipate if for no better reason because I'm trying to lead them.

yeah i was tallying up the votes on friday and was thinking that like .... there really aren't 7 people willing to lynch flubber rn i think and i'm really puzzled as to why that is because there's at best like three people townreading him (for like dubious reasons imo)

like i'm not sure why there's so much resistance here

In post 3100, northsidegal wrote:

Votecount 2.5

Flubbernugget(5)

~ Creature(47), Succinct(15), NotMySpamAccount(25), skitter30(110), tris(16)

Xtoxm(2)

~ Chara(66), Nimueh(172)

tris(2)

~ xRECKONERx(25), Elbirn(32)

Chara(1)

~ Flubbernugget(43)

Ankamius(1)

~ Xtoxm(29)


Not Voting (1): Ankamius(219)

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-19 23:56:59).

there weren't 7 votes for flubber when i wrote this

so i think that there's at least one scum in the people offwagon, if not both
(for the purposes of this i'm counting ank as being onwagon because she was willing to switch to flubber; the wagon was really stalled at 6 including her and i didn't think there was another vote)

xtoxm and flubber flipped, so that leaves at least one scum in {chara, nimueh, reck, elbirn}

and i think that the likelihood of them being scum is in the following order: reck >> nimuh > chara >>>> elbirn

elbirn i feel very confident is town
chara is above the null line but them being in this group is making me a little :/
nimueh
and i'm voting reck

I don’t like this post. It sounds like you could possibly be setting up mislynches. And you keep saying that you trust Ank’s read on me but I have never really believed your read on me to be genuine. So, rn gun to head, I think that town!you would have been more waffley/back and forth on your read on me, than you have this game and like Chara, you ought to be trusting my Creature read but unlike Chara, you have pretty much demonstrated 0 inclination to try to accurately sort me and finally, you know far too much about this setup. to have automatically accepted Flubber’s IC claim. So I adamantly disagree with Chara on that. Players who have familiarity with this kind of setup, should absolutely be held to a higher scrutiny than those who haven’t. When Flubber first made the IC claim, I wondered what an IC would be doing in a mountainous setup but you should have been a lot more skeptical of that and why I’m directing this to you over Chara, is that you have made a least a few posts about that, indicating to me, that your blanket acceptance of Flubber’s claim, makes your lack of skepticism, hard to believe.

In post 3556, NotMySpamAccount wrote:

In post 3553, skitter30 wrote:i think i'm decent enough at reading gamestates that i could sense what i would need to do to make that happen but i don't think i'm good enough at scum to actually do it well if that makes sense

i kinda tried pulling something kinda similar in the last extradition mafia actually (tried to not-bus a50 for most of the game; pretty sure nobody thought we were aligned in the end; i got caught for other reasons) but what i would have had to do here is on another level i think; don't think scum!me could pull it off

the way i did here

like i'm *very* hyper-aware of where that line is and i know how to get close to it but i'm very scared of going overboard at the same time

but this is all self-meta so :shrug:

Typo or scumslip? or am I misreading it?

In post 3559, NotMySpamAccount wrote:

In post 3558, Elbirn wrote:Okay maybe we can just lynch nmsa

Said Elbirn, without voting. By all means, lynch me, but get reck tomorrow. (scum!me could say this, hoping you guys wouldn't follow up, gaining towncred. that would give reck some towncred as well I think, but not much. given the risk of town actually lynching me, scum!me wouldn't like the odds, and probably wouldn't say it. this would be wifom if I were scum, but it's something to think about nonetheless.)

In post 3560, NotMySpamAccount wrote:

In post 3557, skitter30 wrote:i mean really?

I have no clue how to recognize a scumslip, so I may as well point it out to people who do.

In post 3565, NotMySpamAccount wrote:So having looked at flubber's votes, it looks like (up to the fakeclaim) creature and succinct were on him the whole way. skitter hopped on and off. Ank was there for a bit but left for xtoxm. I just realized how much this sounds like innuendo dangit. This suggests skitter could be distancing maybe.

In post 3570, NotMySpamAccount wrote:Gut reads:

Elbirn: ehhhhhhhhhh I can't tell but maybe scum or misled town????
Nim: scumlean from ignoring my questions d1, but close to null from later posting
Succinct: I have no clue. Mild tr from Enter.
skitter: townlean from tone????
Chara: townlean from d3 opening, seems hard to fake but idk
reck: scummy, don't like the mildly illogical push on me/tris
tris: not enough content today, tr from voting Flubber?? or something I can't remember even though I just reread all the d2 vcs I is a dumb
Creature: No clue, not enough content, fear of lurkers means a small sr
Ank: town from the flubber push

purely logical readlist incoming soon maybe if I don't get bored/tired.

If you think Skitter might have “scumslipped” or is “distancing”, then how is she still a townlean for you?