Posted: Tue May 03, 2022 3:29 am
you have no scum case.
i asked for one in D1 and you said you haven't read yet.
and now you are saying you had one all along.
you have no scum case.
I mean it explains itself.In post 3546, humaneatingmonkey wrote:it's not self-explanatory. tell us why you eliminated that possibility.
This is also self explanatory. I have explained how I play the game and form reads in thread, you don’t let me do that. If I list all the ways you’ve annoyed me the game turns toxic but let’s just say I am annoyed and leave that there.In post 3547, humaneatingmonkey wrote:what have i done that has kept you off your game? haters will say you're just making this up.In post 3542, MathBlade wrote:You’ve been doing small little things to piss me off to keep me off my game.
Okay, so explain now. Please. Don't let me stop you.In post 3553, MathBlade wrote:I have explained how I play the game and form reads in thread, you don’t let me do that.
That’s not what I said.In post 3551, humaneatingmonkey wrote:i asked for one in D1 and you said you haven't read yet.
and now you are saying you had one all along.
you have no scum case.
You mean like here? I don’t have time to find the rest but a simple iSO proves what I am saying true.In post 1058, MathBlade wrote:This is why I suspect Malcolm. He highlighted a crumb post and called it a role claim.In post 1024, Scorpious wrote:To be fair though. I would not expect a townie to point it out..In post 1020, MalcolmTucker wrote:I've certainly not spotted any crumbing but maybe just very subtle.
Not saying either way on you just saying what I did.
This doesn’t do any good when scum could have just missed it.
Instead we have a four alarm fire going “look here”.
Can you go more in depth on the Malcolm read?
I kinda feel HEM Malcolm and Italiano are all scum but they don’t all fit together.
And I have scum games where I have been the vocal leader as well. You’re literally going “math isn’t being loud” when I said I wouldn’t be. Then you’re voting Malcolm yet expending energy on me.In post 3557, humaneatingmonkey wrote:There's no strategy. You're just scum trying to push little low-hanging fruit me hoping people will sheep you.
"You're not a case person" but in that other game, you went to town on DkKoba and and in that large you have bullied the entire playerlist to bend to your will.
As I said I have to go.In post 3559, humaneatingmonkey wrote:So where's your case on me then?
Yeah this is so nonsensical I'm inclined to think you're maybe just being lazy town here. I've been pushing for HEM as one of my main scum targets since D1 and HEM came out all guns blazing for me at the start of the turn. The fact our reads are slightly progressing is a good thing albeit I obviously remain wary of HEM.In post 3534, MathBlade wrote:I am kinda thinking HEM/Malcolm.In post 3526, humaneatingmonkey wrote:thinking about it, there's no real value in flipping Malcolm today because if we give him another night, either mafia confirms it for us, or we potentially get a block (if mafia aren't prs)
VOTE: Malakittens
Scum seem to be desperate here
HEM is throwing on the wall practically anything that sticks.
Malcolm votes Kitty despite pushing HEM repeatedly.
I was hesitating to vote you because I genuinely thought you were wrong town.In post 3502, MalcolmTucker wrote:God if I get eliminated this is going to look so scummy, especially since Kitty had been reluctant to put their vote on me initially so they could see which way the winds blew.In post 3495, KittyTacky wrote:Just because someone claimed a role doesn't mean they are a worthy kill.
I don't think your claim fits the game so far. It just feels off. Particularly given your actions.In post 3503, MalcolmTucker wrote:Kitty all game has been voting for anyone who does anything remotely anti-town, yet is now boasting about voting for someone who is going to come back as a PR. Amazing how it's suddenly fine for them to doubt PR claims when it suits them.
By that logic, townies wouldn't sit on a PR either because that is what got both of them killed. Both sides can play extremely stupidly. And pushing me for VOTING PEOPLE FOR ANTI-TOWN PLAY is ridiculous.In post 3505, MalcolmTucker wrote:They don't play perfectly, but they also don't just casually reveal themselves and consistently doing nothing but voting for play that seems anti-town is not always a good idea. I have explained this so many times now...you voted and justified your vote on Italiano for identical reasons to your vote on Scorpious but it was wrong.In post 3498, KittyTacky wrote:You seem to assume that scum would play flawlessly and perfectly logically. Why?! That's a huge assumption to make.In post 3430, MalcolmTucker wrote:But this - again - ignores the point that'd been made that scum wouldn't want to sit on role claimed players without a solid case against said claim. Their logic was again the exact same here despite the fact I'd pointed out this was in my opinion more likely to come from lazy/uninformed town than scum.
In post 3509, MalcolmTucker wrote: Kitty in 1085 says it "doesn't feel right" that Roden could end up being mafia but doesn't elaborate much further than this. Note that for most of the game Kitty has employed a more evidence-based style where they used gameplay to case and help eliminate Scorpious and Italiano - things that seemed anti-townie had to come from scum so were worth a vote. But here Roden is worthy of a cautious town gut-read. If Kitty is scum, they don't go in too hard on this though because Flavor was keen on Roden at the time for a possible elimination.
I townread by gut, but I scumread by evidence. Usually. I don't have to stick to one style.
In 985 before this Roden showed up to argue against a Kitty wagon by trying to direct players back onto the Mala wagon which had never really worked out all that well. Note Roden doesn't argue against the wagon itself and doesn't inherently say it's bad - they just find a reason to deflect away from it.
In 1165 Kitty makes a readslist which places Kitty in their null/neutral category despite previouslt saying they were unlikely to be mafia. Why is Roden null here? Kitty has clearly expressed a preference. Andre is, of course, also null, but this feels quite NAI given their inactivity. Notably, as I've mentioned before, Kitty's three scumreads here are all now confirmed town and were all suspected by Kitty for the same, identical and flawed reasoning to try and appear more townie.
I was hesitating about Roden then, and my three scumreads were because all three did dumb shit. I switched on JV once he claimed.
By 2192 Kitty again says Roden is not "particularly scummy" - another hedgy read that's hardly a ringing endorsement but very much leaves scope for either a proper defence or bus if needed.
See above. You're tunneled on me.
Note that in 3395 Kitty was "neutral" on me despite the eventual vote then later coming in. Roden voted for me at the start of D3 but then took away their vote for a bit. This indicates to me they were both hedging their bets a bit here in case the town either completely believed my case, or if they were wary they'd look too eager by immediately voting for me given they know I am town.
You were very hard to read for me for most of day 1.
Notably you ignored the vast majority of my post, particularly the hedgy interactions between you and Kitty throughout the game.In post 3510, Roden wrote:I literally told you why I unvoted but ok
Do you think there's pocketing going on in any direction between me and HEM?
Once again you are continually, again and again, ignoring my point. I am not saying that scum never do stupid things. Sometimes they make themselves known to the town in ways that are wrong. My general point has been that scum generally want to blend in and ensure they are not immediately identified. That is the point - if they didn't attempt to do this the game would fundamentally be easy for town.In post 3566, KittyTacky wrote:By that logic, townies wouldn't sit on a PR either because that is what got both of them killed. Both sides can play extremely stupidly. And pushing me for VOTING PEOPLE FOR ANTI-TOWN PLAY is ridiculous.In post 3505, MalcolmTucker wrote:They don't play perfectly, but they also don't just casually reveal themselves and consistently doing nothing but voting for play that seems anti-town is not always a good idea. I have explained this so many times now...you voted and justified your vote on Italiano for identical reasons to your vote on Scorpious but it was wrong.In post 3498, KittyTacky wrote:You seem to assume that scum would play flawlessly and perfectly logically. Why?! That's a huge assumption to make.In post 3430, MalcolmTucker wrote:But this - again - ignores the point that'd been made that scum wouldn't want to sit on role claimed players without a solid case against said claim. Their logic was again the exact same here despite the fact I'd pointed out this was in my opinion more likely to come from lazy/uninformed town than scum.
Scumhunting is apparently scummy if you end up being wrong, even if the mislimmed townies' poor play is what made them look like scum in the first place. And now you're latched onto me like a bulldog for making honest mistakes. Smells like scum opportunism.
Been ruminating on this more and I can’t figure out what two PRs work.In post 3525, Roden wrote:This is actually a really good point...In post 3521, humaneatingmonkey wrote:i'm 50/50 on malcolm right now because while that claim is sus, he backed down off my slot and pushed you instead and i think that's out of nowhere and unstrategic for scum to do when humaneatingmonkey is sitting right there being the #1 scapegoat.
Why the hell do we have a Simple Jailkeeper and two investigatives then? I mean yeah most of the PRs claimed on Day 1 but still, I don't think the mod predicted that during set up. Maybe scum have two PRs? A Rolecop and something weak to avoid the Simple check? The Lazy Tracker would help avoid swing here maybe.
I ignored most of your post because you're seeing things that aren't there. I just don't agree that I've been hedging around Kitty.In post 3569, MalcolmTucker wrote:Notably you ignored the vast majority of my post, particularly the hedgy interactions between you and Kitty throughout the game.In post 3510, Roden wrote:I literally told you why I unvoted but ok
Do you think there's pocketing going on in any direction between me and HEM?
You also failed to explain why I would be deep wolfing here considering it would require some pretty big coincidences given - by your own logic - I've also been pursuing several townies throughout the game.