This argument is shit and you should feel shit for making it.
Especially since both Titus and Malakittens are far less active these days.
Mala tends to post every 2-4 days.
Titus, every 2-3.
I can't speak for if that is actually alignment indicative though because the above? Were as town. So either their "inactivity" is nai or their "inactivity" is town-indicative. And I put quotes around "inactivity" because they're not
really
inactive.
They have nearly 200 posts, discarding Titus's off-hydra posts.
That ain't inactive. That's more active than me, and I am not inactive either.
In post 2197, catboi wrote:Yeah. I don't think you're scum, but coming in with an outrageously anti-consensus take on a player I feel is pretty townie is more likely to come from town mastina, where as scum her reads are going to hew closer to consensus and generally seem to make more sense. The opinions she's coming in with feel confidently her own, don't agree with the read on you, but I believe she believes it.
This is the start of where my strong catboi townread comes from.
The defense of me lacks a scum agenda, and more than that, the opinion formed is one of incredible nuance. Yes, catboi could be scum making a sincere non-TMI townread on me, but that's why this is only the start.
In post 2201, catboi wrote: In post 1828, Flavor Leaf wrote:There’s definitely scum in the people that are defending/town reading Catboi. At least 1, even if Catboi ends up being town
I'm fairly certain there's much more than 3 people defending me, so it's not like they can all be my partners. I wouldn't doubt that there's some scum defending me, just by sheer amount of numbers and the fact that not every scum is going to want to push an elim, especially if they think I'm town, but this is a very vague accusation. It's a broad brush stroke that avoids getting into specifics about who might be scum to instead blanket discredit the people defending me.
This is where it really began to take off though because the nuance of this point is VERY much a nuanced thought that I would think to be town-indicative for catboi. I admit; I've never actually seen catboi's scumgame so I don't know what catboi's scumgame is in spite of catboi being a double-DC.
But the nuance to this thought looks like something that I don't think scum can fake. Yes, multiball, but not like this, not even in multiball. This sort of developed thought is the kind that to me I just don't see how scum makes it at all.
Another contributing factor is catboi beginning to vibe with my reads, between the bnuuy push and the FL
-reaction to, going
to FL's posting. Yet in spite of his reads having some similarity to mine, and in spite of his defense of me, he is very clearly not sucking up to me. He's townreading players I am scumreading and very clear that he thinks my read on those players is wrong, but he is also developing his own reads which have some overlap with mine, in ways I consider town-indicative.
His conversation with Norwee bled town with the way he was engaging Norwee.
There is also the fact that catboi is showing an unusually nuanced, refined view of my play. He's hitting a lot of the right points on what my play is, in a way that I don't think is scum. Like, scum defending me I would expect to make defenses that I know to be wrong. But town defending me typically are more "in the zone" of knowing what is actually town/scum/etc. of me.
catboi and Well Done have vibed with me in similar ways and catboi's vibe with Well Done also resonates as being town. catboi is being incredibly active, invested, thoughtful, and nuanced, while also having appropriate levels of being reserved, explaining why he feels the way he does on every slot.
2221 is dead on the money for mirroring my own thoughts on FL.
In post 2225, catboi wrote:Boys you gotta get some better scumreads because I'm town, Menalque is very likely town, and I think Malcolm is too
I loved this reachout and while I disagree with Malcolm being town, that's more proof of this being town. catboi's reachout to vibe with Well Done was incredibly town here where he was stating what is, by and large: frankly, the truth.
In post 2227, catboi wrote:Okay Well Done is super obviously town here, for a very simple reason: Dunn doesn't have the balls to push Flavor Leaf day 1 as scum. He plays scum like a background character, mays easy votes, tries to avoid drawing attention to himself. Here he's doing the exact opposite of that and drawing negative attention from the most active player in the game. It's a million miles outside his scum range.
This was the real clincher though. This was something that I just don't see catboi saying as scum here, especially given multiball.
I am pretty sure this is stealing someone else's argument, but a lot of catboi's thoughts are framed from a non-multiball perspective where catboi is giving reads and not taking into account it being multiball--this is a huge towntell because it indicates a town player not tainted by a scum alignment. Yes, catboi knows it's a multiball game, but catboi's takes often have the mentality of a singleball game in spite of the knowledge of multiball, which is a subconscious think that indicates town to me.
The Toogeloo callout in
2232 was good, too.
2239 was great. I agree with
2242.
In post 2247, catboi wrote:I think that Flavor Leaf's reaction to getting scumread by Well Done fucking sucks. The progression from scum reading them -> calling them wrong town -> getting tilted at them and calling them liock scum is super sketchy. It doesn't look like a genuine evaluation but scum shifting through different angles trying to get the heat off them. It's a very Prism-esque progression, it just feels very fake. The attacks read more like playing offense to play defense because he's really bothered by the scumread on him. I would think that if he had truly gotten frustrated with Well Done and thought they were town just dumbly tunneled on him, he'd just back off and stop engaging with them, but instead he keeps going and 180s. The only reason I can see for this happening is because he's
really
bothered by their scumread on him and wants to discredit it. There's not even really a possibility he gets yeeted Day 1, he just wants to stamp out all opposition to him.
This basically is a summary of why FL is scum this game in a way that I don't think scum can do. It's the same insight Pooky gave, it's the insight I would give, and catboi giving it is proof of him being town.
2251 is correct.
2255 is a good observation.
His readslist in
2261 is largely mirrored to mine. He has precisely 3 townreads that I do not and 3 scumreads I do not, but swapping those would result in a near-identical readslist. The similarity and yet convergence is hella town.
For the record, not really interested in quoting Well Done's walls because they be walls and I don't feel like editing them down to be more readable when quoting, but Well Done is a stronger townread and their case on FL is valid. Just sayin'.
Also obligatory reminder that Enchant is scum, too.
Bottom of 92, and I've no choice but to go to bed. Both because nearly 5 am and also because it is literally painful to keep my eyes open. Every second my eyes aren't closed they're hurting so I NEED sleep right now, sorry. I got out
most
of what I read from catboi to make him so town but not all of it.