The game of the year: town won!

[TeChNoWC]

Let me see if I understand this correctly:

(1) if his lynch is redirected then that indicates DW is town since that would mean he has angel partners (and he wouldn't have to out them)
(2) if his lynch isn't redirected and DW is scum... we lynch scum

The problem I find with this is there's no point in testing (1) right now. I would agree maybe if there were fewer people alive, but there's 21 alive. There's still plenty of time to wait out and see if an angel gets nightkilled or has to claim later on to prove (1) without having to waste a redirect.

We should be focusing our efforts on lynching scum. Period. If you think DW is scum then go ahead, but if you're only voting him to confirm what could easily be confirmed naturally over the course of the game then just stop.

What worries me is that the angels get at least two redirects, as Delta has already done one (Kairyuu's) and is threatening another. He also says the other 'angels' which suggests there are at least two more.

This means between them, the angels have a total of 5 redirects remaining MINIMUM, if not more, so no, it's definitely not too early to be discussing this stuff.

[TeChNoWC]

if he's town then it's a town-directed kill

aka there is literally no drawback to doing so

Only drawback I see is that Delta is lacking scumreads and thinks Trevor is scum, which I strongly disagree with.

If Delta was threatening to kill someone scummy, I would see no drawback in testing this theory.

[DeltaWave]

It is currently in dispute if you even have partners, because if you don't, you are powerless.

I don't get why this matters because nobody has come up with a cognizable reason for why I'd be scum in the first place.

Your reluctance and the general uselessness of your slot

And that makes me public enemy #1? Try again

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• funkybike1 (5)
  : Zajnet Jackal711 TeChNoWC syndromeofadown Trevor
  
• DeltaWave (4)
  : SpyreX kondi2424 petapan Staeg
  
• Mastermind of Sin (1)
  : theamatuer
  
• kondi2424 (1)
  : redFF
  
• Trevor (1)
  : DeltaWave
  
• Not voting:
  BBmolla Shadowlurker Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Mastermind of Sin SleepyKrew TheTrollie YYR Zdenek zoraster

With 25 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[SpyreX]

If there's another redirect, the issue can sit for the time being.

That is, of course, assuming that Trevor doesn't take a bullet for it. I wasn't joking in the slightest when I said if the angels dont want to play ball I'll ram myself against that lynch over and over until either they are dead or we lose.

There's no reason why this shouldn't be tested - a singular redirect would be most definitely possible scumside and we're reaching the point of incredulousness of this multi angel group having none get ran up AND being in a position where the thought of doing this is a good one (i.e. no angels in active useful players).

[TeChNoWC]

I'm convinced this is a good option.

Unvote
Vote: Deltawave

I would like Delta to redirect onto funky, but if he wants to kill Trevor makes sense he is likely scum.

[TeChNoWC]

IMO, if Delta kills Trevor, Delta is scum.

Trevor has done nothing different from any of us pushing for this Delta lynch and I don't see how Trevor is scum.

[SpyreX]

No. If Delta kills Trevor, he's being petulant and will turn this into a slugfest but he's probably town.

That wont change the next series of events.

[TeChNoWC]

Next series of events being what?

You think Delta is town?

[DeltaWave]

Trevor has done nothing different from any of us pushing for this Delta lynch and I don't see how Trevor is scum.

nope, read my latest posts again.

btw, a staeg wagon makes far more sense than this waste of time.

[DeltaWave]

I would like Delta to redirect onto funky, but if he wants to kill Trevor makes sense he is likely scum.

Also, explain why you think funky is scummy.

[SpyreX]

I'm on the fence.

However, I'm not about to get strongarmed by teh super cool sekret angel club.

Realistically (and note I'm not screaming LET THE ANGELS FREE right now) lynching him again should be all upside:

If a redirect happens it isn't wasting a lynch as it can just be pointed at, ohh, funkybike and then we can trust the angels.
If a redirect doesn't happen he's scum and its a dead scum.

IF its scenario 1 then depending on their size and if they are confirmed or not it may be worth them coming out to cut the pool even more and turn this into a race that scum just cant win.

IF its scenario 2 all the yelling in the world isn't going to get him to cough up a buddy so that's wasted time.

The only BAD scenario is running him up, it being true and him taking a special ed shot. If that happens, and keep in mind I'm saying town, I'm firmly in favor of running him up over and over and over and over again until there's no more redirects.

And then doing it one last time.

[TeChNoWC]

How so Delta? OMGUS much? Worried im catching on to an angel scumteam? You know that will look bad for you when i flip town, right?

Vote: funkybike1

responded to pressure with wishy washy flying under the radar posts. Much more likely to be scum than sykedoc.

@petapan: yeah, my sample size is small. I'm not convinced you are scum or anything. I just think you play a hell of a scumgame and there are some similarities between your play in this game and your play in NY 152, so it seems risky to keep you around until lylo.

And I realise that zdenek/zajnet/staeg aren't popular lynch options, but you kind of threw them in after your main post and didn't give reasoning (reasoning would be nice here). The fact that you did and the fact that you are mentioning them now makes me think that POSSIBLY you saw your lynch options were too generic and you needed a few out-of-the-ordinary reads to make yourself look genuine.

I realise I'm reaching here and I by no means am calling you out as scum, but if you were in a three man lylo in this game I would be hell worried that history was repeating itself and those in NY 152 hadn't learnt from previous mistakes.

Pedit: I think BB is likely town, but I see what he did as a POSSIBLE (yet very unlikely) scumgambit. Either way it's that little niggling possibility + the fact he shouldn't be going to lylo anyway after what he did. I actually think funky is scum; kondi didn't want me to vote him earlier but I am kind of breaking my sheeping rule a bit here, but I feel pretty strongly that he is scum (mostly gut). Just the way he posts is a lot of fluff, and yet he quickly wanted out of the lurker pool when we started to cast doubt on it, and now he wants all the lurkers lynched. I feel he could be the one scum (maybe there is more) that saw the words 'lurker lynch' and picked up his game so he could survive.

Now tell me why you think Staeg is scum.

[redFF]

Where's the vca spy

[SpyreX]

Today gameday.

One more lynch doesn't hurt nothin. Especially since I want this one happening regardless of VC's.

[DeltaWave]

First of all, the wagon on me is a distraction tactic. If we were scum, then we would have just sat back and silently stopped lynches on mafia. If we were third party, then we would have used our shots in a similar hidden way. There's no scum or third-party motivation here. The posts (hint hint spyrex) that are basically like "let's just lynch deltawave over and over instead of scumhunting" should be raising some alarms.

Having only me claim while the other angels are unclaimed strikes a balance between providing town with information and keeping information from scum.

Tech: Your case on Funky isn't great. He's a possible lynch candidate but I'd rather not use a kill on him. I suspect Staeg because he's been flying under the radar for the last couple lynches. He sheeped last time and made no further comment, and this time he just unobtrusively bandwagoned. He's trying to go unnoticed while pushing town wagons along.

[kondi2424]

Delta. Let's assume you're a Town Angel.

Your choices are either to:

A. Claim ONE (1) partner and let us move on with our lives, or
B. Have us waste your angel powers on saving you.

I'm pretty sure Option A is more beneficial to the town.

By the way, what if two Angels save a lynch to kill different people?

[DeltaWave]

Why is it so crucial that another Angel claims? This seems to be a sticking point for some people and I just don't get it. I don't see how answering that one thing would resolve anything.

One kill for one save is the rule. We don't get two kills if two Angels save a lynch, as only one can save a lynch.

[SpyreX]

Yes ignore him.

I care about a.) you knowing the angels are town and b.) proving this isn't a scum mechanic.

Claiming a partner does nothin for nothin.

[DeltaWave]

If it was a scum mechanic, then explain why (1) it hasn't been used to save scum and (2) it hasn't been used to kill town.

[kondi2424]

I want you to claim a partner to prove you have any in the first place.

My question was, which save would go through?

[SpyreX]

Because if you used it all willy nilly its a death warrant and doubly so early on.

This mysterious mechanic was used once to deflect a mime lynch onto a mime. Something that benefits everyone just like your predecessor said (before he sheeped "obvtown" Fritz)

You get ran up the shot goes somewhere else fine. This ends for the time being.

[DeltaWave]

Hey, if we were scum aligned or third-party aligned, we wouldn't have claimed at all.

Anyway, like I said. Staeg is good, funkybike is meh. Staeg has been active lurking for ages now and has been keeping his head down at all times. That's the best place for votes.

[kondi2424]

Delta, if your lynch is redirected, redirect it to Staeg.

[SpyreX]

Then get ran up and shoot him.

There you go everyone wins.