Mafiascum.net

interesting.
Mac is practically Absent from KoC's and Slandaar's posts. Slandar RVS's MAC. And Places MAC in a town slot with no explanation. KoC quotes MaC twice. Nothing really of interest in said quotes, just agreement.

However, this is pretty much the same as AN's search, so it's not much.

In post 3571, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 3564, Mac wrote:

In post 1893, Angelious Nero wrote:hrmmm..I had thought it was funny that Ma Jiffy wasn't defending the fuck out of his girl.

KOC, the Piratecat slot is scum 'cause they are accusing Slandaar of lying but not voting it.

vote:Piratecat

To me, I read this as "let's find more reasons to support Slandaar's bullshit claim" and at the same time not be associated with Slandaar.

look at this post. it is outrageous. the last line sums up the reason why it's scummy; it's a roundabout way of defending Slandaar and edging people towards PC. at this point, all we have is Slandaar's masonizing result and not Messiah's, and yet Nero still needs to find another way to find PC suspicious, rather than sheep Slandaar. the killer is that he keeps his vote here for the entire day, despite posting after Messiah's results.

the above post is terrible.

First of all he's calling Slandaar's fakeclaim bullshit but he didn't vote him.

He's calling me scummy for not voting Slandaar when he did the same so its super duper hypocritical.

The post that he's quoting was made

BEFORE

Slandar claimed anything so how can I be supporting a claim when he hasn't claimed.

bolded line one - this is speaking retrospectively. nice try though
bolded line two - that's a fucking blatant misrep. i'm calling you scummy for supporting Slandaar's bullshit (RESTROSPECTIVELY) claim with more reasons to vote PC.
bolded line three - HOLY FUCKING SHIT EVEN MORE LIES. SLANDAAR's FIRST POST WAS A FUCKING CLAIM THAT PIRATECAT WAS SCUM FROM HIS RESULTS. STOP TALKING SHIT.

you know the only fucking thing that worries me about lynching you? your willingness to get lynched as long as it's me tomorrow. unless it's some massive scum gambit but it's fucking getting me all in a worry that I'm wrong.

IS IT GUILLE?!?!?!?

what the fuck. I don't even know any more. stop fucking fencesitting.

OK

why must you make me doubt myself on nero being scum guille?

Because I am Town. And you should know that. I don't know why you think I am not. Do you think I am Red or Orange?

In post 3576, Mac wrote:

In post 3571, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 3564, Mac wrote:

In post 1893, Angelious Nero wrote:hrmmm..I had thought it was funny that Ma Jiffy wasn't defending the fuck out of his girl.

KOC, the Piratecat slot is scum 'cause they are accusing Slandaar of lying but not voting it.

vote:Piratecat

To me, I read this as "let's find more reasons to support Slandaar's bullshit claim" and at the same time not be associated with Slandaar.

look at this post. it is outrageous. the last line sums up the reason why it's scummy; it's a roundabout way of defending Slandaar and edging people towards PC. at this point, all we have is Slandaar's masonizing result and not Messiah's, and yet Nero still needs to find another way to find PC suspicious, rather than sheep Slandaar. the killer is that he keeps his vote here for the entire day, despite posting after Messiah's results.

the above post is terrible.

First of all he's calling Slandaar's fakeclaim bullshit but he didn't vote him.

He's calling me scummy for not voting Slandaar when he did the same so its super duper hypocritical.

The post that he's quoting was made

BEFORE

Slandar claimed anything so how can I be supporting a claim when he hasn't claimed.

bolded line one - this is speaking retrospectively. nice try though
bolded line two - that's a fucking blatant misrep. i'm calling you scummy for supporting Slandaar's bullshit (RESTROSPECTIVELY) claim with more reasons to vote PC.
bolded line three - HOLY FUCKING SHIT EVEN MORE LIES. SLANDAAR's FIRST POST WAS A FUCKING CLAIM THAT PIRATECAT WAS SCUM FROM HIS RESULTS. STOP TALKING SHIT.

you know the only fucking thing that worries me about lynching you? your willingness to get lynched as long as it's me tomorrow. unless it's some massive scum gambit but it's fucking getting me all in a worry that I'm wrong.

1. Ok but you still didn't vote him so why do you think I'm scummy for something that you did?
2. I no more "supported" his claim then you did. So why am I scummy for something you did?
3. This was his post.

In post 1887, Slandaar wrote:VOTE: PirateCat

Scum found.

I expect everyone to vote them in their next post.

In hindsight I could see how you'd get that he claimed but he didn't actually until later.

Guille, why is Goat town?

Votecount 8.3

[L-3] Guille2015:

[L-3] Messiah:

[L-2]

Angelious Nero:

Mac

[L-3] The Goat:

[L-1]

Mac:

Angelious Nero, Guille2015

Not Voting

• Messiah, The Goat

Deadline

• June 4th, 2013

Mod Notes

• I do not believe anybody is V/LA.. I might be wrong however.

In post 3581, Nero Cain wrote: Guille, why is Goat town?

Because there is evidence that scum have not killed.

Night 1: 2 Kills (scum)
Night 2: 1 Kill (1 kill failed)
Night 3: 4 kills (2 mine, 2 scum kills)
Night 4: 1 Kill (1 Kill Failed)
Night 5: No deaths. (Rubicon was commuting, so he didn't make a Kill. 1 Failed kill by Red)
Night 6: 1 Kill. (scum)
Night 7: 1 Kill. (scum)

In total, 3 failed kills. Night 5 fail is the one that tells me that red targeted Messiah for the kill. Up to this point, there is no reason for scum not to kill.

I actually really hate a lot of Nero's responses to Mac on the last page and they've done more than enough to push me to vote Nero over Mac here.

To explain some things:

Point 3 in 3569 - Mac mentioned the not contributing thing a bunch of times, and other things similar to it (like wanting the day to end while lurking hard and staying on a single vote wagon or something). Hypocrisy isn't scummy or anything, either, and I don't think it would discredit the point that Mac was making in this case at all even if he were being entirely hypocritical, because the context was different between their two situations. This just feels lazy and deflect-y and I don't like it at all.

3571 is pretty much exactly the same thing. Deflecting via claims of hypocrisy when it doesn't even matter, and regardless of whether or not a hypothetical townie!Mac bought Slandaar's claim at the time isn't really an issue because it's still an important associative tell against Nero. I looked back and checked and where Nero claims in this post that Slandaar hadn't claimed anything yet at that point seems to be totally untrue, unless I'm completely missing something.



I feel pretty comfortable here.

messiah what do you make of guille and his recent posts? they are ridiculously on the fence and he basically OMGUS's me when I challenge him to fucking do something.

guille is effectively an arsonist

In post 3580, guille2015 wrote:Because I am Town. And you should know that. I don't know why you think I am not. Do you think I am Red or Orange?

how the fuck shouldI know you are town?

In post 3581, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 3576, Mac wrote:

In post 3571, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 3564, Mac wrote:

In post 1893, Angelious Nero wrote:hrmmm..I had thought it was funny that Ma Jiffy wasn't defending the fuck out of his girl.

KOC, the Piratecat slot is scum 'cause they are accusing Slandaar of lying but not voting it.

vote:Piratecat

To me, I read this as "let's find more reasons to support Slandaar's bullshit claim" and at the same time not be associated with Slandaar.

look at this post. it is outrageous. the last line sums up the reason why it's scummy; it's a roundabout way of defending Slandaar and edging people towards PC. at this point, all we have is Slandaar's masonizing result and not Messiah's, and yet Nero still needs to find another way to find PC suspicious, rather than sheep Slandaar. the killer is that he keeps his vote here for the entire day, despite posting after Messiah's results.

the above post is terrible.

First of all he's calling Slandaar's fakeclaim bullshit but he didn't vote him.

He's calling me scummy for not voting Slandaar when he did the same so its super duper hypocritical.

The post that he's quoting was made

BEFORE

Slandar claimed anything so how can I be supporting a claim when he hasn't claimed.

bolded line one - this is speaking retrospectively. nice try though
bolded line two - that's a fucking blatant misrep. i'm calling you scummy for supporting Slandaar's bullshit (RESTROSPECTIVELY) claim with more reasons to vote PC.
bolded line three - HOLY FUCKING SHIT EVEN MORE LIES. SLANDAAR's FIRST POST WAS A FUCKING CLAIM THAT PIRATECAT WAS SCUM FROM HIS RESULTS. STOP TALKING SHIT.

you know the only fucking thing that worries me about lynching you? your willingness to get lynched as long as it's me tomorrow. unless it's some massive scum gambit but it's fucking getting me all in a worry that I'm wrong.

1. Ok but you still didn't vote him so why do you think I'm scummy for something that you did?
2. I no more "supported" his claim then you did. So why am I scummy for something you did?
3. This was his post.

In post 1887, Slandaar wrote:VOTE: PirateCat

Scum found.

I expect everyone to vote them in their next post.

In hindsight I could see how you'd get that he claimed but he didn't actually

claim

until later.

Guille, why is Goat town?

1. I didn't have a fucking clie who to vote for during the altercation. basically i was an ostrich with my head in the sand. the difference between me and you is I did not pick the wrong side and further support their claim with more reasons to lynch piratecat.

2. is the exact same as pretty much.

3. that's a claim and you are not as stupid and naive to think otherwise

fuck it, however



guille's similarity to an arsonist makes me think he's either scum or indie.

if messiah and goat are both town which is like 90% likely then town wins anyway assuming we lynch guille today.

if guille is a 3rd/scum then he will likely blow a few of us to shit tonight.

In post 3584, Messiah wrote:I actually really hate a lot of Nero's responses to Mac on the last page and they've done more than enough to push me to vote Nero over Mac here.

To explain some things:

Point 3 in 3569 - Mac mentioned the not contributing thing a bunch of times, and other things similar to it (like wanting the day to end while lurking hard and staying on a single vote wagon or something). Hypocrisy isn't scummy or anything, either, and I don't think it would discredit the point that Mac was making in this case at all even if he were being entirely hypocritical, because the context was different between their two situations. This just feels lazy and deflect-y and I don't like it at all.

3571 is pretty much exactly the same thing. Deflecting via claims of hypocrisy when it doesn't even matter, and regardless of whether or not a hypothetical townie!Mac bought Slandaar's claim at the time isn't really an issue because it's still an important associative tell against Nero. I looked back and checked and where Nero claims in this post that Slandaar hadn't claimed anything yet at that point seems to be totally untrue, unless I'm completely missing something.

vote: Nero

I feel pretty comfortable here.

oh Christ!

Well I guess I kinda fucked up here. Apparently Slan did claim on day 1 and I didn't remember that. Though I don't think there was any reason to doubt his result.

In general I find this really really bad on Mac. Its real easy to call a fakeclaim bullshit the scum flip.

This whole "you didn't vote for Slandaar, neither did I, but you are scummy for it!!!" Is mind boggling dumb.

The whole complaining about the long dayphase and whatever is something that Angel always does.

Mac's switch to Gullie later on is horribad. Gullie's 375 is also real good.

how is that post topper good in any way. it's basically "x happened to mac, but x also happened to nero. it doesn't help me" and then votes me. his last few posts have talked about sheeping others and not offering an opinion really.

also you are blatantly fucking misrepping me it fucking hurts

Back here then. Blatant misrepping of me has just sealed it

In post 3593, Mac wrote:

vote Nero

Back here then. Blatant misrepping of me has just sealed it

lol. You're voting me for the deadline. Just be honest. Why lie about the reason you are voting me?

I'm not lying you cretin. Not that I'd give a fuck either way: looks like it's me or you today and I'm sure as hell not scum.

Basically we need The Goat here to lay down his vote.

In post 3595, Mac wrote:I'm not lying you cretin

On Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:18 pm you called me out for "misrepping you"

At Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:24 am the mod tells us that the deadline is tomorrow.

You then vote 7 mins later and claim that my "missrepping of you seals it" Yet you could have easily done that yesterday but you didn't. So your obviously voting me for the deadline.

Timestamps don't lie.

In post 3590, Mac wrote:

THAT IS NOT WHAT IM SAYING STOP BEING A FUCKING IDIOT ABOUT IT

Well, what are you saying then?

I do not understand.

You claim that I'm scummy for "buying an obvious bullshit" claim. But you also bought 'cause I don't ever remember you claiming that Slan was bullshitting.

You claim that I'm scummy for not voting him but neither did you.

So no, I'm not understanding you at all.

No I am claiming that you are scummy for finding MORE WAYS to support Slandaar when he was voting PC.

In post 3596, Angelious Nero wrote:

In post 3595, Mac wrote:I'm not lying you cretin

On Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:18 pm you called me out for "misrepping you"

At Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:24 am the mod tells us that the deadline is tomorrow.

You then vote 7 mins later and claim that my "missrepping of you seals it" Yet you could have easily done that yesterday but you didn't. So your obviously voting me for the deadline.

Timestamps don't lie.

ok... so I'm voting you for misrepping me because the deadline is tomorrow?

are you happy?