NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)


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Post Post #3575 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:20 am

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In post 3553, Ausuka wrote:ok so I can believe it's sky or irrelephant but I don't think it could be raskolnikov. it's more likely Nosferatu is scum honestly imo and MOI didn't fruit vend n1.
Okay, so here's the why, now that I'm not phone posting.

You and MoI are confirmed to be fruit vendors, barring some severe gamethrowing on the part of town.

Technically, there's a chance that Rask went all out and claimed a banana after being visited night one without having received one because that's theoretically possible, so that's a mechanically he can be scum label.

Fruit vendors, by function of this being a normal game, all have to work identically. Therefore, MoI could not have knowledge of how the fruits would be distributed. Theoretically, that means that there are two options at this point. Either each fruit vendor sends unique fruit in a predetermined order, or the fruit vendors send fruit that are determined before game. In the second case, the odds that Pine duplicated flavors once but not twice border on the ludicrous. Supporting evidence: wrapping detail that is constant between three separate fruit recipients over the course of two nights.

Of course, it's possible that Nos guessed banana before Rask, but that's even less likely than Rask guessing FV from a track result fmpov, so Nos is out of the lynch pool at this point.

As for clementine and orange are close enough, orange was claimed before it was pointed out that fruit flavors matching was an important detail. It was not then changed, which it would have been if the orange had been a clementine. Skygazer also didn't change their claim from clementine to orange, which they would have if they were town adding a little flair to their claim.

Again, it's a normal game. PMs between roles must be consistent. Therefore, lynch Irrelephant, shoot Gazer, game over. Or viceversa.

HWS is town by virtue of being not one of the provably lying players in a position where only scum has an incentive to lie. But, not only that, but the players in question are in your larger scumpool, so there is no reason not to lynch in my proposed order instead of powerlynching HWS.

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Post Post #3576 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:24 am

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Or Pine has a list of ~5 fruits and randomizes what will arrive each night, there are many options here

but also I don't care if I'm the lynch if it guarantees a win/gets us very close to one

Still want skygazer to answer the question
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Post Post #3577 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:26 am

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In post 3504, Skygazer wrote:If Ausuka fruited me then that's {Jingle/HWS/Irrelephant/Nos} plus {tw} as a potential sk

If MoI slot fruited me then I'm added to the lynch pool but we hopefully get to take one out

If Nos has another clear then we may be in autowin

Going to do some wagon analysis tonight maybe? I've had mafia apathy lately but feel really good rn
Oh wait no scum might be you?

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Post Post #3578 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:27 am

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In post 3574, Irrelephant11 wrote:In serious news this contradicts Skygazer's green coloring for the vote counts last page. I guess that could mean it's skygazer, but is there another option on your list that makes sense to you?
I mean I literally colored it on flips
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Post Post #3579 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:28 am

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Your post with the quotes of vote counts was in the pedit, I hadn't seen it when I wrote that
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Post Post #3580 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:29 am

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I was only referring to your five names between the {}
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Post Post #3581 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:29 am

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In post 3566, Nosferatu wrote:I think scum is in {the worst, brassherald, Skygazer, Raskolnikov, Ausuka}
No offence but like


Are you reading the game?

Skygazer is probably a better lynch than Irrelephant if we're going ~down that road~? idk. Tracker makes sense if MOI slot was town I guess but feels kinda awkward if it isn't.
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Post Post #3582 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:30 am

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no im not reading the game

i thought that was clear at this point
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Post Post #3583 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:31 am

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In post 3579, Irrelephant11 wrote:Your post with the quotes of vote counts was in the pedit, I hadn't seen it when I wrote that
Those five names are just unflipped people on the profii wagon

if you think that profii was an all town wagon then I guess that that list is garbo but like

no?
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Post Post #3584 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:32 am

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Well then you should probably know that TW is a claimed vig who killed Dram, A50 and Koki and literally can't be groupscum. I cc'd MOI and have been clearing people for days and was the nightkill on Night 2. Rask is my confirmed inno because I loyal fruit vended him n1. Brass was my n2 inno.

Sky can be scum but she's like the only one there who can be.
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Post Post #3585 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:33 am

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Right idk if the list is garbo or not
basically I forgot you were a replacement so I thought you'd have a clue
Nvm about all that at this point I'm clueless too

pedit: nice playing, town! It's nice to replace in with the pressure off
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Post Post #3586 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:34 am

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VOTE: sky

then why are we not lynching the only person on the scum wagon who isn't basically conf town?
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Post Post #3587 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:35 am

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In post 3581, Ausuka wrote:
In post 3566, Nosferatu wrote:I think scum is in {the worst, brassherald, Skygazer, Raskolnikov, Ausuka}
No offence but like


Are you reading the game?

Skygazer is probably a better lynch than Irrelephant if we're going ~down that road~? idk. Tracker makes sense if MOI slot was town I guess but feels kinda awkward if it isn't.
Tracker is still viable given town FV and Town Visitor, although that's FMPOV and thus useless to most of you. It's also the only way we're not in autowin already based on available information, so....

Play around ways the victory can be snatched from you. Don't get complacent. Therefore, we play assuming there is still some way for scum to turn this around, because complacent towns can easily snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Post Post #3588 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:36 am

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Post Post #3589 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:36 am

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Oh, also HWS definitely claims his number of modifiers today.
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Post Post #3590 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:37 am

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In post 3528, Ausuka wrote:(๑•̀ㅂ•́)و✧
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Post Post #3591 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:39 am

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i just had an epiphany about what jingle's avatar/name is from

that weird british sketch show where it was like some low budget infomercial rpg and the caller was like "KILL JINGLE"

limmys show im pretty sure
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Post Post #3592 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:40 am

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Yup.

I've linked to the youtube video several times on this account. If you want I can pull it up.
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Post Post #3593 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:42 am

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VOTE: Skygazer </3
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Post Post #3594 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:43 am

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VOTE: skygazer

sure let's do this then. byegazer!
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Post Post #3595 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:44 am

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Post Post #3596 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:44 am

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Again, HWS needs to claim today. Just in case.
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Post Post #3597 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:53 am

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Ohfuck that is a good post
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Post Post #3598 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:59 am

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Okay, as this is becoming a serious issue for speculation, I will comment on/confirm one detail, which ought to lay to rest this debate. As I cannot discuss unflipped roles, this will be in regards to MoI's/Kokichi's Disloyal Mafia Fruit Vendor, and any conclusions you draw regarding similar roles will be your own.

For the role in question, a list of possible fruits was drawn up, and every time MoI/Kokichi vended, a die was rolled against that table. The target then received the indicated fruit.

I remind you that non-random details such as fruit-a-day or kill flavors associated with a specific killer/faction are established as non-Normal.

In post 3557, Irrelephant11 wrote:Wait do we really think this is a reason to 1v1?

@skygazer is there anything to your PM besides the word clementine? Don't quote obvs just y/n, elaborate maybe
I regard this as dangerously close to quoting your role PM/moderator communication, and certainly risks violating the spirit of rules against such. You are strongly encouraged to desist with this line of questioning, and Skygazer is instructed not to respond to it.

I don't think any violation was intended, but with a warning now issued, further skirting of the mod communication rules will not be tolerated lightly.
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Post Post #3599 (ISO) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:00 am

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VOTE: HeWhoSwims

Cool so let's do this.
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