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There are terms I'm starting to dislike and "ping" is starting to get there because it feels like a way to avoid developing a read yet feel like you said something substantial.

Starting to feel confident about DP.

I feel like it's you as scum explaining why you would talk Cinnamon into a miller gambit for instance, or force Shoshin to be lynched purely because scumteam was informed there was no cops or something. It's more like you are explaining why you are scum than why I actually think you would think pisskop is scum, who is someone that definitely does not need coaching to play scum. Like how would you even begin to reach that conclusion? pisskop entered the thread explicitly denying the miller claim, that's not a play someone who is uninformed of the game or his claim does.

VOTE: NomNom

You "starting to feel confident" on me also feels fake to me. I suppose it does make more sense that between you and Vork, you browbeating Vork with a fabricated read to disrupt the urap wagon makes more sense then Vork getting caught up for bussing.

In post 3523, nomnomnom wrote:I also keep forgetting vork is playing this game, he's been silent as hell

Like a page ago you're shading Vork, I'm thinking about Vork and trying to sort you vs. him when I'm pretty sure there's a scum between the two of you, and you ignore my thoughts about Vork and focus on me observing that you speculating about scum coaching pisskop is sketch, which it is. And me making this observation and saying that you making a ridiculous post about pisskop "pinged" me makes you "feel more confident in me"? That does not feel like a town thought process to me

In post 3576, Detective Pikachu wrote:I feel like it's you as scum explaining why you would talk Cinnamon into a miller gambit for instance, or force Shoshin to be lynched purely because scumteam was informed there was no cops or something.

Why is "the scumteam was informed there were no cops or something" the first explanation you go to, exactly? There are at least a thousand explanations, but that's what you went with.
I take it you think that you think the scumteam is me and PK, and that I coached Cinnamon to fakeclaim miller?

Then why are you confused in your next paragraph? This is what I am saying that could have been done to CINNAMON, not PK. I am saying that if Cinnamon fakeclaimed they must have been coached by someone because of the calibre of the player. Anything else seems impossible.

Plus there's definitely a difference in acting between the two slots and that's what caused my confusion. Although the "trolling" justification and the timing of him re-claiming miller when threatened with a wagon is just paranoia fuel.

In post 3500, nomnomnom wrote:If pisskop or saladman are scums, they were taught to act this way by partner.

You said you think pisskop was coached *this game* and I do not see how you reach that conclusion

In post 3579, Detective Pikachu wrote:

In post 3500, nomnomnom wrote:If pisskop or saladman are scums, they were taught to act this way by partner.

You said you think pisskop was coached *this game* and I do not see how you reach that conclusion

I said Cinnamon. You are a god damn liar.

I talked about the slot in general, so I guess that's where the confusion comes slot. But I was definitely referring to Cinnamon. Why are you so tight about this? That seems like the most logical thing to me??

I don't get it. I think you're trying to cause a false dilemma here.

I could see you pretending not to understand the logic to further a DP/PK team because you invoking that logic for me but ignoring it when referred to you is definitely suspicious and scummy.

In post 3580, nomnomnom wrote:

In post 3579, Detective Pikachu wrote:

In post 3500, nomnomnom wrote:If pisskop or saladman are scums, they were taught to act this way by partner.

You said you think pisskop was coached *this game* and I do not see how you reach that conclusion

I said Cinnamon. You are a god damn liar.

If I'm misunderstanding what you're saying in that post, that's an extremely fake response to me misunderstanding you.

yeah I definitely should be more composed when a slot is being stupid and cannot read lines

Like why would Cinnamon need to be coached to fake a miller claim? Why do you think I'm a "god damn liar" when you literally say you think pisskop was "told to act 'this way' by a partner'" -- I don't even know what 'this way' means. The post is weird and confusing and I don't get your thought process there. I don't see why those are logical inferences based on what's in the game

Perhaps I wasn't too far off when I said "you guys are doing this on purpose" yesterday.

I mean Nero is already acting like he's god gift to scumhunting so if you're going to start being a prick too then just get my mislynch over with because I'm pretty over this game.

I don't even know what the fuck that last post means. How the fuck am I supposed to interpret a post where you say the slot was coached if it's scum?

Like I thought salad was theoretically coached into spewing a reads list, and I can see your thought process for him, but I basically asked why you think Cinnamon or Pisskop would be coached to act "this way" and you explode on me? wtf?

"11 was TvS and you were the S" is a pretty simple explanation for you basically trying to turn every interaction with you into a toxic mess. That's a really shitty way to play scum by the way. If you're town here I get it but if you're scum you really should find a different strategy.

In post 3585, Detective Pikachu wrote:Like why would Cinnamon need to be coached to fake a miller claim? Why do you think I'm a "god damn liar" when you literally say you think pisskop was "told to act 'this way' by a partner'" -- I don't even know what 'this way' means. The post is weird and confusing and I don't get your thought process there. I don't see why those are logical inferences based on what's in the game

Because the guy comes straight out of the newbie queue with an earnest and honest tone and is upfront about being a miller which is a textbook play on the wiki. So either he's honest either he needs to be coached through it because I literally do not see a slot like this making a miller fakeclaim out of the gate.

I never said something like "PK is being coached through it" because it would be obvious to everyone that I am referring to the slot in general and referring to Cinnamon's entrance, and I discussed the different entrances in length in thread. You just ignore what I say and say "HUH BUT I DO FEEL WEIRD THIS PINGS ME" when it's obvious you are not following the game, my thought process, and trying to push an awful false dilemma .

I'm starting to get frustrated with you, because you are using faulty logic to attack me and that only reads as scummy to me.

In post 3588, Detective Pikachu wrote:"11 was TvS and you were the S" is a pretty simple explanation for you basically trying to turn every interaction with you into a toxic mess. That's a really shitty way to play scum by the way. If you're town here I get it but if you're scum you really should find a different strategy.

I'm not turning my interactions into a toxic mess I just hate when people outright lie and misrepresent me over and over to push me.
I'm just frustrated when people do that because either you're town and you are actually not reading the game, either you're scum abusing my patience over and over. And honestly this game I think you're doing the latter bud.

In post 3589, nomnomnom wrote:Because the guy comes straight out of the newbie queue with an earnest and honest tone and is upfront about being a miller which is a textbook play on the wiki. So either he's honest either he needs to be coached through it because I literally do not see a slot like this making a miller fakeclaim out of the gate.

Except it wasn't textbook, he said there was other shit in his role, and if Cinna was just going off the wiki... that's not coaching?

I'm starting to get frustrated with you, because you are using faulty logic to attack me and that only reads as scummy to me.

Like have you actually reread the post? Why did you say they were coached to "act this way" if all you were referring to was the miller claim? Do you not get how that is like, an objectively confusing sequence of sentences if you are not telepathic or the author of the post in question?

I feel like this argument is really stupid actually but I think you going for toxicity as a go-to response for every misunderstanding or point of confusing or claiming that people are deliberately trying to misunderstand you is pretty gross

In post 3590, nomnomnom wrote:I'm not turning my interactions into a toxic mess I just hate when people outright lie and misrepresent me over and over to push me.

Yeah sure I'm crying a river, person who just said they were scumreading me for using the word "ping"

I think I'm done with this thread for the night

I've lost my shit this game a few times because of that. Actually you were also the reason why I lost my shit the previous day claiming scums thought Shoshin was cop while simultaneously pointing at me being a likely culprit for that .

And THEN you backtrack on that logic to try and push me with outlandish logic such as "lol the scumteam must know that there are no cops this game"??? Are you for real????

In post 3592, Detective Pikachu wrote:

In post 3590, nomnomnom wrote:I'm not turning my interactions into a toxic mess I just hate when people outright lie and misrepresent me over and over to push me.

Yeah sure I'm crying a river, person who just said they were scumreading me for using the word "ping"

I think I'm done with this thread for the night

That's not why I am scumreading you, you misrepresenting slime.

Jesus christ.

Idk who is more crunchy... (In reference to an earlier game I had with a certain Captain)

In post 3591, Detective Pikachu wrote:I feel like this argument is really stupid actually but I think you going for toxicity as a go-to response for every misunderstanding or point of confusing or claiming that people are deliberately trying to misunderstand you is pretty gross

There's a difference between misunderstanding and intentionally pretending to not understand an argument, WHILE reusing said argument to push me, WHILE saying I am scum for it.

So yeah you'll get a heated response from me especially since you've made really bad accusations earlier in the game and I don't care if it makes me look bad because god damn people like you get on my nerves pretty easily, especially when they are dishonest about their logic and contradicting themselves over and over.

In post 3593, nomnomnom wrote:I've lost my shit this game a few times because of that. Actually you were also the reason why I lost my shit the previous day claiming scums thought Shoshin was cop while simultaneously pointing at me being a likely culprit for that

when I literally put myself forward the entire day to push that as a fakeclaim

.

And THEN you backtrack on that logic to try and push me with outlandish logic such as "lol the scumteam must know that there are no cops this game"??? Are you for real????

OK.

You wanna call me "slime"

If I was scum, I would have shot you over Sho. Because you were pretty clearly softing being informed. You were cross-claiming Shoshin in a way that strongly implies you were either:
A) a town investigative that would preclude there being a second cop
or
b) informed there were no cops

There is no reason that you, as a VT, would assume that Sho was *not an investigative role*. If Shoshin was scum, she could have still been a scum visiting role. The way you were strangely insistent on her not being a cop and this being *the primary* reason you were scumreading her came off as informed as fuck.

Sho, as the person under pressure, had much more reason to fakeclaim no matter what. You as the person not under pressure were much more likely to be a real investigative, if you are town.

Given you are currently pushing me for stupid fucking reasons, you pretty clearly have no cop result on me. Vis-a-vis, my logical conclusion is that you are more likely to be scum informed there are no cops in the game, and this is why you felt confident you could push Shoshin without backlash.

ADDITIONALLY, Cinnamon said there was more to his role, but he never said what. One likely addition to a miller role would be either: a neighborhood, or informed. Vis-a-vis, it's possible that you:
-are in a neighborhood with pisskop
-are scum with pisskop
-or are yourself informed about some part of the power structure of the game

Dunnstral seemed to think you were a town investigative yesterday. Given you are pushing me currently, you are either only even night, if you are town, or you are not a town investigative.

Given you moved off the urap wagon, you pretty clearly did not actually have a guilty on him. You clearly don't have a result on me. Vis-a-vis, you're probably just not a town investigative.

Given you are not a town investigative, why were you so certain Shoshin was "not cop"? There's not THAT many explanations, and the most direct one would be "scum informed there is no cop." This would also explain a miller fakeclaim.

But yes, I'm definitely scum because I think the way you pushed Shoshin does not preclude you from knowing she is town but maybe thinking she is some sort of valuable TPR but not COP. Since you knew she was not COP, you would have felt more confident pushing her because you knew her flip would not totally implicate you given she was lying. But as scum, you would not have known her real role. Given she fakeclaimed cop, and this is not a logical play for a VT to make, *you could have still thought she was a strong town power role.* Because as scum, you would need to have an explanation for why, as town, she would fakeclaim cop.

Does any of this fucking logic make sense? I have no fucking idea, but the way you pushed Shoshin STRONGLY IMPLIED YOU ARE NOT VT and trying to understand at this point WHAT THE FUCK YOUR ROLE IS is not easy.

But if you think I'm scum and don't fucking night 1 you every single time after your play around Shoshin day 1 you're out of your mind so fuck off.

That helps I'm sure, continue being a prick and I will be happy to explain my thoughts on every single player and whether they're a TPR or not. Continuing to push me on why the way you pushed Sho does not make you town is an incredibly stupid idea given you have been softing TPR basically the entire damn game.

If you expected me to take lying, contradiction and misrepresentation as a tactic to push me in the good way and the "ah, I'll explain to you mislead child" you are mistaken about the kind of person I am. I won't let it slide, and you can try to say I am "toxic" for it, it doesn't change that the logic you have been using this game is absolutely atrocious and I'm left to believe that you want to extend the lynch pool to Vork and me by creating a false dilemma on our slots, again, ON AN EARLY DAY 1 INTERACTION.