Gay Mafia II: RIDE THE LIGHTNING (Game Over)

[TheTrollie]

@Mod(s):

Kindly answer the question asked of you in this post.

dude...i already explained this....

Hes not gonna say that because it was mod error to include my second vote in the vote count.

[TheTrollie]

i.e. he can say: "yes i messed up" but that doesnt help you because it doesnt say whether he messed up by accidentally showing my second vote or messed up because in reality i didnt have a second vote

he cannot say: yes that was correct, because that would be endorsing the mod-error as not mod-error

[Magua]

I want the mods to confirm that there is or is not a mod error in that VC.

If there was a mod error, regardless of the error, the VC should be corrected.

If it comes out postgame that there was a mod error in that VC that the mods knew about and did not own up to, I will go fucking ballistic.

PEdit: Great, you agree with me. I want to hear what the mod says it is.

[Magua]

While you're here Trollie, who's scum?

[DrippingGoofball]

@ zoraster

You claimed

Hated Townie

, correct?

I read this in the Wiki:

It is debatable whether it is better to not claim Hated Townie. By not claiming you are opening yourself up to getting run up to L-1 and thus unexpectedly lynched; by claiming you are making yourself a policy lynch on the Day before LyLo.

Do you have an opinion?

Sorry, I really have meant to get to this.

An opinion? considered it and rejected.

The above is a refresher.

Please explain why it's rejected.

[DrippingGoofball]

I also have a theory that zoraster may in fact be scum, but no one will believe me.

[zoraster]

Any incapacity you have for ignoring a confirmed town with a town result on me, having correctly identified and pushed for the SPB lynch, taking DW's side (confirming he was who he said he was) is far more damning, Magua. I may have been inactive, but that doesn't make me suddenly scum, and acting like it does is a pretty clear indication you do not have a town win in mind, hoping to push through some sort of easy lynch that no one can blame pretty Magua for because omg they made you make the error!

[DrippingGoofball]

confirmed town

See, I'm not so sure about that.

[Magua]

Oh, no, zoraster, I'm like 99% you're town.

Still support lynching you as the compromise lynch.

I know math isn't your strong suit[1], so I'll give you a few minutes to work out why lynching you (> 99% town) is better in my mind than lynching anyone I'm not sure is scum.

[1] I'm being needlessly sarcastic here. Math is, of course, your strong suit, and I'm 100% you know the exact fucking reason you're the compromise lynch, and it has nothing to do with anyone thinking you're scum. So 3606 is a waste.

[zoraster]

What do you mean? I did not particularly relish coming out as a hated townie, and thought it'd come across as a pretty lame attempt to stop my lynch. Additionally, highlighting that I was a power role (since it seems unlikely that reck would give JUST a hated townie) was not a great idea given that my death would have shut down God (though I admit part of me thought there was a chance I was an enabler for a scum Dreaming God).

[zoraster]

can i just look at the answer in the back of the book?

[Magua]

zoraster, I disbelieve that you do not understand why a Hated Townie, even a confirmed town Innocent Child one, would be a good lynch the Day before lylo. Literally do not believe that you do not intrinsically understand this.

[DrippingGoofball]

[1] I'm being needlessly sarcastic here. Math is, of course, your strong suit, and I'm 100% you know the exact fucking reason you're the compromise lynch, and it has nothing to do with anyone thinking you're scum. So 3606 is a waste.

I was taken aback with zoraster steadfast reaction against my bringing up his lynch, and it got me thinking. It makes sense to me, but I worry that I'm being paranoid. But I think he may be scum, for balance reasons, that his record is just too perfect, and that there is funny JOAT business going on with the "confirmed town" issue, and additionally, zoraster is still alive.

[Magua]

However, I will point out that your repeated cries of, "I don't understand," do nothing to stall your upcoming lynch, whereas giving actual scumreads would be a grand change of pace from your recent postings.

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DGB, I've had the same thoughts, but it really doesn't matter. He's not surviving the game. If a Day starts where he's alive and scum should be in a position to quicklynch him (eg, three person lylo) and there's no quicklynch on him, then he's outted as scum himself.

[DrippingGoofball]

Assuming he's telling the truth about his role.

[Magua]

Doesn't matter if he's telling the truth about his role, really (the Hated part, I mean). If there's a 3-way lylo with him and no one tries to quicklynch him, he's confirmed as the scum and both other players can vote him.

[zoraster]

do you think today is mylo, magua?

[zoraster]

sorry, that was actually a dumb question. what i mean is what do you think is the player count for the teams? Because it's pretty relevant in whether or not offing me right now makes any sense at all.

[dramonic]

But you could still help by motherfucking voting. I'll even narrow it drown for you:
1) You could vote vollkan, if you think he's scum, or
2) You could vote yourself, if you think vollkan's town, or
3) You could vote no lynch.

Voting for someone aside from vollkan or yourself is equivalent to voting nolynch.

wow...
If I had a daykill, youd have just died.

[Magua]

And if I had a daykill, vollkan would be dead.

This is a great game we're playing!

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@zoraster: 6:1:1. ISO me and see when I run the numbers for Iecerint, but townlynch today + no crosskills tonight = town loss if you're alive.

[dramonic]

At this point I'm almost inclined to say that there are actually two mafia members left, I don't think magua can really be this retarded without an ulterior motive

[zoraster]

Assume it is 6:1:1.

Lynch town, two town are killed: 3:1:1.

Now assume that we lynch scum, and then the remaining scum shoots: 2:1. Except that the scum can then immediately vote zoraster to lynch him (and some mods may allow the scum to pre-send this in, "Vote zoraster at the start of the Day" or whatnot, depending). If not, then the only way for town to win now is for the town to post to show zoraster he's not voting, vote the other guy, and for zoraster to hammer before the scum gets online. Not the best.

This actually makes a great deal of sense. I just thought about it and even if we lynch scum today, that doesn't net us anything except a 3:1 lylo instead of a 2:1 lylo. assuming 6:1:1, of course.

[zoraster]

sorry i should say that if we lynch scum today then mislynch a not-zoraster tomorrow, then it leads to 3:1 rather than 2:1.

[zoraster]

so this is a question: why even bother try for vollkan today, Magua? As best I can tell you don't have a 100% scum read on him (just heavily suspect him), and even if he's scum you'll need to lynch me next (or else have a sure read on someone else). is it just that you think you're dying tonight?

[dramonic]

Ulterior motive