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In post 3624, unwnd wrote:

In post 2862, Here There Be Dragons wrote:another thing i would like some interaction on, is quite a few people i think have said they think there's exactly 1 scum in medea/pooky. can you tell me why? i don't get it.

What changed from here Ceph?

In post 3616, Here There Be Dragons wrote:and like, idk, i thought these people liked me but they have no interest in anything i say

doesn't feel great

i can deal with being voted. it's the feeling ignored that's gotten to me. you at least tried today.

i mean, you're mostly fine, although i'm a little upset with you giving up. i certainly think that my not being as valuable as medea is a primary factor in the result of this day, however. looking at annie, dunn if town, snarky here. that's what creates an environment where you and LLD feel forced to give up

In post 1928, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:HEAL: LLD, Snarky, Unwnd, Dunn, Luke, Annie, AA9
HURT: Pooky, Spffeh

Vote:Dragons
Vote: Manatee
Vote: Medea

In post 3618, Here There Be Dragons wrote:jesus h. tapdancing christ. are you guys serious?

that case is COMPELLING to you? is this a joke? i'm insulted by the characterization of that pile of crap as a "case". it's barely more than "lol ceph scum because i said so" and people are VOTING on that?

no, snarky, it really isn't much more than "ceph is grumpy." did you read it? have your eyes left the building? or is it your ability for critical analysis that's committed seppuku after watching this travesty of a game? the idea that there is a parallel to a game where someone else got mad about their mislim disappearing is

completely divorced from reality

. My being upset predates dunnstral's claim, even today, i was there in my first post! i'm pissed that we elimed titus instead of obvious scum because they're too special to die. even though std IS right-- i make no apologies for thinking luke was right, it was a great case and titus' play made no sense. i'm even more pissed that we're about to do it again, and i'm pissed that no one will pay an iota of attention to what i have to say. yeah, i'm good at playing scum. does that mean i never get the time of day from any of you ever again? because i'm not interested in doing this again with you, if that's how it is. i don't understand why this applies to me and yet no one will turn a critical eye at medea who is in the same boat.

there is so much evidence for medea scum. it's my whole iso. 2290 is a smoking gun, and still, no one will give it the time of day. i may suck at town, but i don't suck this bad. you're just all used to not caring what i think. i'm used to my points not being convincing to anybody but me, but i HAVE SOMETHING this game. i never have a read this good, because scum never make it this easy and obvious. to still get the same treatment i always do -- like the class pet, who we laugh at when he chases his tail and performs humor like a circus animal, and otherwise have no use for. yeah of course i'm fucking upset.

and, instead, a case from them that is worthless is going through. did you read it? there is no backup to any of it! it's literally just a bunch of assertions! because they're so special, that's what we're going with. i'm not offended by being scumread or losing to a well played scum game. what i am offended by is losing to such a bad scum game. they've played awful, but because it's cabd, they get treated like kings anyway, and anything they post is gospel truth to you. and when this is over you'll congratulate them for being so clever and outplaying everyone even though they've been open wolfing since page 10. and no one will ever say, "hm, wow, we were pretty dumb to vote dragons for such a bad reason." ive been begging half the game to engage with me about what their problem with me is and every single one refuses to even try. i think you know you have no reason. yet no one will learn.

someone said that scum wouldn't behave this way around the titus elim, they'd happily vote there -- you're straight wrong. that case was so good, that once any momentum landed there, the elim was always going to happen. that's why medea suddenly turned their titus read on a dime even though it was completely inconsistent with their previous opinion -- again, please read 2290 -- it's the oldest play in the book to call someone town when you know they'll flip town and now you look like a smart genius who should be followed. i'm not very impressed. let's just lemming ourselves straight off the cliff because lord cabd said we can swim!

this is really the only reason i'd be willing to consider pooky town -- i don't think he needed to hammer to make sure that happened. it was happening. but, it's more likely by far that he is just medea's partner. it's telling that they haven't gone after each other essentially at all, no?

back to this "case." i can't believe i have to post about this. you should all be dismissing it out of hand. my disappointment IS immeasurable and my day IS ruined. i have put my everything into casing medea all game. and you brainiacs are actually voting us for 3357. i dont even know where to begin, holy shit.

most of these "points" aren't even points. i'm glad you linked that game where i was caster. because this is so obviously a repeat of that. what is "emotional bullshit" that i'm doing here and didn't do there? these terms don't even have definitions. no part of this even means anything. not voting medea for a while- i was EXTREMELY clear at the time about why i wasn't voting medea. how is the brain trust just not reading my posts to the point of buying this? it was

because std wasn't on board

. this entire "case" completely ignores the facts. where is your critical thinking, town? did medea chloroform you during the night and now you can't remember basic game data? read my god damn iso if you forgot! compare these words to what has actually happened!

now, why are they even dropping such a dog shit case right now? firstly, if i'm such obvious scum, why can't they produce something better that has any relationship with my actual actions, why must they invent "emotional bullshit," as though they've never seen me be emotional as town when that was literally my last town game?

more importantly, why now? i put it to you that it's because we were going to elim their partner pooky. tenet showed them the power of refusing to bus even obvious partners.

i don't care if dunnstral is scum. it seems like that's the only way you'll all consider it. i think scum can have pretty much whatever role, but fine. sure. i thought ffery posted somewhere recently that she focuses on day play 99% or something like that. maybe i'm wrong and it was someone else. where is caring about day play? i don't think their role is impossible as scum, but fine, whatever, i'll pretend dunn has to be scum if you want. this sequence of night actions is so improbable that ockham alone gets us to this is a last ditch effort to prevent medea from going down. probably they see that dunn is unlikely to win alone, and medea and pooky were both going down. that means it's time to gambit. im amazed by the prevailing idea that cabd would not gambit here. it's only his entire schtick.

finally, pooky was around prior to his hammer with titus sitting at e-1. if their plan was to lolhammer, why didn't it happen sooner? well, i'd say it was awfully polite of this scum bear to nicely wait for medea to get their post out that they said they wanted to make before laying down the hammer. perhaps he also had to wait for them to check in and agree in the scum thread.

tell me this wagon on me doesn't remind you of foolish game losing wagons past. half of you don't even believe this (and yet interestingly it is still possible to get enough votes to elim me hm i wonder why... this isn't brain surgery). quit giving up because the truth is too hard for you and try to win. im currently being voted by the entire scumteam, unwnd who is rationalizing his ass off,

LLD who openly doesn't even think i'm scum

, and idk what annie is doing or why but if they could wake up that'd be G R 8.

In post 3627, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 1928, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:HEAL: LLD, Snarky, Unwnd, Dunn, Luke, Annie, AA9
HURT: Pooky, Spffeh

Vote:Dragons
Vote: Manatee
Vote: Medea

In post 3618, Here There Be Dragons wrote:jesus h. tapdancing christ. are you guys serious?

that case is COMPELLING to you? is this a joke? i'm insulted by the characterization of that pile of crap as a "case". it's barely more than "lol ceph scum because i said so" and people are VOTING on that?

no, snarky, it really isn't much more than "ceph is grumpy." did you read it? have your eyes left the building? or is it your ability for critical analysis that's committed seppuku after watching this travesty of a game? the idea that there is a parallel to a game where someone else got mad about their mislim disappearing is

completely divorced from reality

. My being upset predates dunnstral's claim, even today, i was there in my first post! i'm pissed that we elimed titus instead of obvious scum because they're too special to die. even though std IS right-- i make no apologies for thinking luke was right, it was a great case and titus' play made no sense. i'm even more pissed that we're about to do it again, and i'm pissed that no one will pay an iota of attention to what i have to say. yeah, i'm good at playing scum. does that mean i never get the time of day from any of you ever again? because i'm not interested in doing this again with you, if that's how it is. i don't understand why this applies to me and yet no one will turn a critical eye at medea who is in the same boat.

there is so much evidence for medea scum. it's my whole iso. 2290 is a smoking gun, and still, no one will give it the time of day. i may suck at town, but i don't suck this bad. you're just all used to not caring what i think. i'm used to my points not being convincing to anybody but me, but i HAVE SOMETHING this game. i never have a read this good, because scum never make it this easy and obvious. to still get the same treatment i always do -- like the class pet, who we laugh at when he chases his tail and performs humor like a circus animal, and otherwise have no use for. yeah of course i'm fucking upset.

and, instead, a case from them that is worthless is going through. did you read it? there is no backup to any of it! it's literally just a bunch of assertions! because they're so special, that's what we're going with. i'm not offended by being scumread or losing to a well played scum game. what i am offended by is losing to such a bad scum game. they've played awful, but because it's cabd, they get treated like kings anyway, and anything they post is gospel truth to you. and when this is over you'll congratulate them for being so clever and outplaying everyone even though they've been open wolfing since page 10. and no one will ever say, "hm, wow, we were pretty dumb to vote dragons for such a bad reason." ive been begging half the game to engage with me about what their problem with me is and every single one refuses to even try. i think you know you have no reason. yet no one will learn.

someone said that scum wouldn't behave this way around the titus elim, they'd happily vote there -- you're straight wrong. that case was so good, that once any momentum landed there, the elim was always going to happen. that's why medea suddenly turned their titus read on a dime even though it was completely inconsistent with their previous opinion -- again, please read 2290 -- it's the oldest play in the book to call someone town when you know they'll flip town and now you look like a smart genius who should be followed. i'm not very impressed. let's just lemming ourselves straight off the cliff because lord cabd said we can swim!

this is really the only reason i'd be willing to consider pooky town -- i don't think he needed to hammer to make sure that happened. it was happening. but, it's more likely by far that he is just medea's partner. it's telling that they haven't gone after each other essentially at all, no?

back to this "case." i can't believe i have to post about this. you should all be dismissing it out of hand. my disappointment IS immeasurable and my day IS ruined. i have put my everything into casing medea all game. and you brainiacs are actually voting us for 3357. i dont even know where to begin, holy shit.

most of these "points" aren't even points. i'm glad you linked that game where i was caster. because this is so obviously a repeat of that. what is "emotional bullshit" that i'm doing here and didn't do there? these terms don't even have definitions. no part of this even means anything. not voting medea for a while- i was EXTREMELY clear at the time about why i wasn't voting medea. how is the brain trust just not reading my posts to the point of buying this? it was

because std wasn't on board

. this entire "case" completely ignores the facts. where is your critical thinking, town? did medea chloroform you during the night and now you can't remember basic game data? read my god damn iso if you forgot! compare these words to what has actually happened!

now, why are they even dropping such a dog shit case right now? firstly, if i'm such obvious scum, why can't they produce something better that has any relationship with my actual actions, why must they invent "emotional bullshit," as though they've never seen me be emotional as town when that was literally my last town game?

more importantly, why now? i put it to you that it's because we were going to elim their partner pooky. tenet showed them the power of refusing to bus even obvious partners.

i don't care if dunnstral is scum. it seems like that's the only way you'll all consider it. i think scum can have pretty much whatever role, but fine. sure. i thought ffery posted somewhere recently that she focuses on day play 99% or something like that. maybe i'm wrong and it was someone else. where is caring about day play? i don't think their role is impossible as scum, but fine, whatever, i'll pretend dunn has to be scum if you want. this sequence of night actions is so improbable that ockham alone gets us to this is a last ditch effort to prevent medea from going down. probably they see that dunn is unlikely to win alone, and medea and pooky were both going down. that means it's time to gambit. im amazed by the prevailing idea that cabd would not gambit here. it's only his entire schtick.

finally, pooky was around prior to his hammer with titus sitting at e-1. if their plan was to lolhammer, why didn't it happen sooner? well, i'd say it was awfully polite of this scum bear to nicely wait for medea to get their post out that they said they wanted to make before laying down the hammer. perhaps he also had to wait for them to check in and agree in the scum thread.

tell me this wagon on me doesn't remind you of foolish game losing wagons past. half of you don't even believe this (and yet interestingly it is still possible to get enough votes to elim me hm i wonder why... this isn't brain surgery). quit giving up because the truth is too hard for you and try to win. im currently being voted by the entire scumteam, unwnd who is rationalizing his ass off,

LLD who openly doesn't even think i'm scum

, and idk what annie is doing or why but if they could wake up that'd be G R 8.

[?]

In post 3626, Snarky Fishes wrote:

In post 3616, Here There Be Dragons wrote:and like, idk, i thought these people liked me but they have no interest in anything i say

doesn't feel great

i can deal with being voted. it's the feeling ignored that's gotten to me. you at least tried today.

i mean, you're mostly fine, although i'm a little upset with you giving up. i certainly think that my not being as valuable as medea is a primary factor in the result of this day, however. looking at annie, dunn if town, snarky here. that's what creates an environment where you and LLD feel forced to give up

Ok you need to explain how I'm pressuring unwnd or LLD to give up.

In post 3623, Here There Be Dragons wrote:

In post 3583, Snarky Fishes wrote:Let's look at this post, std, instead of just talking about it.

In post 3357, Medea the Alien wrote:VOTE: Dragons

Thankfully, I agree, unwnd, Manatee lass isn't on the table today. This is.

Town cephrir is a grumpy but likable old coger. This? This is emotional bullshit scumcephthedragons. This is "mad my medea elim went up in smoke" cephthedragon. This is "Has good vibes going in the scum PT and we're keeping morale high" cephrirlovesdragon. This is "look at me I'm going to talk about being so happy to vote medea for like twenty posts BEFORE actually voting them so everyone sees how happy I am about my votes tehehehehe" cephthedragons.

Schezernade died for this.

medea's saying the opposite -- that cephtown is grumpy, and that what he's done here is more performative than straight-up grumpy, particularly your slot's trajectory on medea.

i don't really get that at all from that post

do you have any thoughts besides the fact that cabd said something cryptically and I, std, am having trouble parsing it, or...?

~std

In post 3628, Here There Be Dragons wrote:

In post 3627, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 1928, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:HEAL: LLD, Snarky, Unwnd, Dunn, Luke, Annie, AA9
HURT: Pooky, Spffeh

Vote:Dragons
Vote: Manatee
Vote: Medea

In post 3618, Here There Be Dragons wrote:jesus h. tapdancing christ. are you guys serious?

that case is COMPELLING to you? is this a joke? i'm insulted by the characterization of that pile of crap as a "case". it's barely more than "lol ceph scum because i said so" and people are VOTING on that?

no, snarky, it really isn't much more than "ceph is grumpy." did you read it? have your eyes left the building? or is it your ability for critical analysis that's committed seppuku after watching this travesty of a game? the idea that there is a parallel to a game where someone else got mad about their mislim disappearing is

completely divorced from reality

. My being upset predates dunnstral's claim, even today, i was there in my first post! i'm pissed that we elimed titus instead of obvious scum because they're too special to die. even though std IS right-- i make no apologies for thinking luke was right, it was a great case and titus' play made no sense. i'm even more pissed that we're about to do it again, and i'm pissed that no one will pay an iota of attention to what i have to say. yeah, i'm good at playing scum. does that mean i never get the time of day from any of you ever again? because i'm not interested in doing this again with you, if that's how it is. i don't understand why this applies to me and yet no one will turn a critical eye at medea who is in the same boat.

there is so much evidence for medea scum. it's my whole iso. 2290 is a smoking gun, and still, no one will give it the time of day. i may suck at town, but i don't suck this bad. you're just all used to not caring what i think. i'm used to my points not being convincing to anybody but me, but i HAVE SOMETHING this game. i never have a read this good, because scum never make it this easy and obvious. to still get the same treatment i always do -- like the class pet, who we laugh at when he chases his tail and performs humor like a circus animal, and otherwise have no use for. yeah of course i'm fucking upset.

and, instead, a case from them that is worthless is going through. did you read it? there is no backup to any of it! it's literally just a bunch of assertions! because they're so special, that's what we're going with. i'm not offended by being scumread or losing to a well played scum game. what i am offended by is losing to such a bad scum game. they've played awful, but because it's cabd, they get treated like kings anyway, and anything they post is gospel truth to you. and when this is over you'll congratulate them for being so clever and outplaying everyone even though they've been open wolfing since page 10. and no one will ever say, "hm, wow, we were pretty dumb to vote dragons for such a bad reason." ive been begging half the game to engage with me about what their problem with me is and every single one refuses to even try. i think you know you have no reason. yet no one will learn.

someone said that scum wouldn't behave this way around the titus elim, they'd happily vote there -- you're straight wrong. that case was so good, that once any momentum landed there, the elim was always going to happen. that's why medea suddenly turned their titus read on a dime even though it was completely inconsistent with their previous opinion -- again, please read 2290 -- it's the oldest play in the book to call someone town when you know they'll flip town and now you look like a smart genius who should be followed. i'm not very impressed. let's just lemming ourselves straight off the cliff because lord cabd said we can swim!

this is really the only reason i'd be willing to consider pooky town -- i don't think he needed to hammer to make sure that happened. it was happening. but, it's more likely by far that he is just medea's partner. it's telling that they haven't gone after each other essentially at all, no?

back to this "case." i can't believe i have to post about this. you should all be dismissing it out of hand. my disappointment IS immeasurable and my day IS ruined. i have put my everything into casing medea all game. and you brainiacs are actually voting us for 3357. i dont even know where to begin, holy shit.

most of these "points" aren't even points. i'm glad you linked that game where i was caster. because this is so obviously a repeat of that. what is "emotional bullshit" that i'm doing here and didn't do there? these terms don't even have definitions. no part of this even means anything. not voting medea for a while- i was EXTREMELY clear at the time about why i wasn't voting medea. how is the brain trust just not reading my posts to the point of buying this? it was

because std wasn't on board

. this entire "case" completely ignores the facts. where is your critical thinking, town? did medea chloroform you during the night and now you can't remember basic game data? read my god damn iso if you forgot! compare these words to what has actually happened!

now, why are they even dropping such a dog shit case right now? firstly, if i'm such obvious scum, why can't they produce something better that has any relationship with my actual actions, why must they invent "emotional bullshit," as though they've never seen me be emotional as town when that was literally my last town game?

more importantly, why now? i put it to you that it's because we were going to elim their partner pooky. tenet showed them the power of refusing to bus even obvious partners.

i don't care if dunnstral is scum. it seems like that's the only way you'll all consider it. i think scum can have pretty much whatever role, but fine. sure. i thought ffery posted somewhere recently that she focuses on day play 99% or something like that. maybe i'm wrong and it was someone else. where is caring about day play? i don't think their role is impossible as scum, but fine, whatever, i'll pretend dunn has to be scum if you want. this sequence of night actions is so improbable that ockham alone gets us to this is a last ditch effort to prevent medea from going down. probably they see that dunn is unlikely to win alone, and medea and pooky were both going down. that means it's time to gambit. im amazed by the prevailing idea that cabd would not gambit here. it's only his entire schtick.

finally, pooky was around prior to his hammer with titus sitting at e-1. if their plan was to lolhammer, why didn't it happen sooner? well, i'd say it was awfully polite of this scum bear to nicely wait for medea to get their post out that they said they wanted to make before laying down the hammer. perhaps he also had to wait for them to check in and agree in the scum thread.

tell me this wagon on me doesn't remind you of foolish game losing wagons past. half of you don't even believe this (and yet interestingly it is still possible to get enough votes to elim me hm i wonder why... this isn't brain surgery). quit giving up because the truth is too hard for you and try to win. im currently being voted by the entire scumteam, unwnd who is rationalizing his ass off,

LLD who openly doesn't even think i'm scum

, and idk what annie is doing or why but if they could wake up that'd be G R 8.

[?]

oh... still? your posts about "why even try" just now made me think you were off it.

In post 3632, Snarky Fishes wrote:

In post 3623, Here There Be Dragons wrote:

In post 3583, Snarky Fishes wrote:Let's look at this post, std, instead of just talking about it.

In post 3357, Medea the Alien wrote:VOTE: Dragons

Thankfully, I agree, unwnd, Manatee lass isn't on the table today. This is.

Town cephrir is a grumpy but likable old coger. This? This is emotional bullshit scumcephthedragons. This is "mad my medea elim went up in smoke" cephthedragon. This is "Has good vibes going in the scum PT and we're keeping morale high" cephrirlovesdragon. This is "look at me I'm going to talk about being so happy to vote medea for like twenty posts BEFORE actually voting them so everyone sees how happy I am about my votes tehehehehe" cephthedragons.

Schezernade died for this.

medea's saying the opposite -- that cephtown is grumpy, and that what he's done here is more performative than straight-up grumpy, particularly your slot's trajectory on medea.

i don't really get that at all from that post

do you have any thoughts besides the fact that cabd said something cryptically and I, std, am having trouble parsing it, or...?

~std

What he's calling performative is your trajectory on medea.

Do you think he's mischaracterizing you regarding being pissed they went from highly elimmable to near-confirmed town?

In post 3633, unwnd wrote:Ceph (and StD) I hope you two don't hate me but I think I'm resolved on your death and no it is not just because Medea wills it I promise

In post 3634, unwnd wrote:What would help me is a GTH readlist or something I can look back on

I read your wall and it seemed more like backlash than something I can look back on

Reel it in and give me something when you're a bit more calm, yeah?

In post 3629, Here There Be Dragons wrote:

In post 3626, Snarky Fishes wrote:

In post 3616, Here There Be Dragons wrote:and like, idk, i thought these people liked me but they have no interest in anything i say

doesn't feel great

i can deal with being voted. it's the feeling ignored that's gotten to me. you at least tried today.

i mean, you're mostly fine, although i'm a little upset with you giving up. i certainly think that my not being as valuable as medea is a primary factor in the result of this day, however. looking at annie, dunn if town, snarky here. that's what creates an environment where you and LLD feel forced to give up

Ok you need to explain how I'm pressuring unwnd or LLD to give up.

i don't know that you mean to, but i feel you're creating an environment by giving cabd 5000 chances to do better where suspecting him is not possible.

In post 3635, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:You're upset, so I'll take the time to explain how I feel. I truly don't feel like killing you, but some part of that feels to me like it's because you've taken the time to communicate with me. I have this feeling it's part of a blindspot for me, and even if I think you'd communicate as either alignment (I do) I thikn that I've been scumreading you without scumreading you for a while now. So all you have to do is look at my "will kill list" and see what is happening here. No one will do Medea today, even though I think it's probably the best move for town right now. Manatee has moved up based on things, Spiffeh is in a blindspot for everyone but feels kinda town. So that leaves you and Pooky. And I could try and oppose Medea and crew today again, like I did yesterday when I screameed Titus town to the world, but no one listens to me. I understand it. So why fight? I feel defeated. No one is gonna listen and as long as I'm sticking to my preferred communication, no one will. Do I prefer Pooky today? Yes. Am I willing to just give Medea whatever they want because it feels like that is what this game has become and I'm not really willing to play mafia in a circumstance where I get called stupid and have my intelligence insulted for having a reasonable read and paranoia about them?

No. I'm not. I'm not Niamh, I don't have that kind of pain tolerance. It's too much. If Cabd's town, I'm just sheeping him because I don't wanna deal with it. If Cabd's scum, he successfully got me to quit by making it unfun to suspect him.

That's where I'm at, right now.

In post 3641, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:bruh if you flip town we can always yeet Medea tomm its cool

think of yourself as the fighter jet flying into the alien spaceship to blow it up in Independence Day

In post 3643, Snarky Fishes wrote:I still want to elim pooky today.

In post 3632, Snarky Fishes wrote:

In post 3623, Here There Be Dragons wrote:

In post 3583, Snarky Fishes wrote:Let's look at this post, std, instead of just talking about it.

In post 3357, Medea the Alien wrote:VOTE: Dragons

Thankfully, I agree, unwnd, Manatee lass isn't on the table today. This is.

Town cephrir is a grumpy but likable old coger. This? This is emotional bullshit scumcephthedragons. This is "mad my medea elim went up in smoke" cephthedragon. This is "Has good vibes going in the scum PT and we're keeping morale high" cephrirlovesdragon. This is "look at me I'm going to talk about being so happy to vote medea for like twenty posts BEFORE actually voting them so everyone sees how happy I am about my votes tehehehehe" cephthedragons.

Schezernade died for this.

medea's saying the opposite -- that cephtown is grumpy, and that what he's done here is more performative than straight-up grumpy, particularly your slot's trajectory on medea.

i don't really get that at all from that post

do you have any thoughts besides the fact that cabd said something cryptically and I, std, am having trouble parsing it, or...?

~std

What he's calling performative is your trajectory on medea.

Do you think he's mischaracterizing you regarding being pissed they went from highly elimmable to near-confirmed town?