Warrior Cats Mafia [Day Three]

[Nero Cain]

No but fan sites are incredibly well done and can be confused as actual lore

true but aren't most fan sites just mostly a copy paste of cannon? also the if I just google warrior cats the first result is the official site (I think)

[Nero Cain]

and the Wikipedia page a few results down is also pretty accurate, stop being so lazy

[MathBlade]

Dude I am on VLA right now. I would rather spend what spoons I have either convincing people not to miselim Titus or at the very least limiting the damage done.

[flow trap]

Pretty sure even the official warrior cat website site has some errors

*Cough cough* Frecklewish

[SCRRRDBEAR]

I still think traps reasoning for town reading Titus is stupid

Lore reasons?

(MAJOR SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO ARE READING THE BOOKS)

Spoiler:

"You see what happens to cats who defy BloodClan? Your friend here thought he could control us. He was wrong."
―Scourge after killing Tigerstar The Darkest Hour, page 235

Scourge is recruited by Tigerstar to help the ShadowClan leader take over the Clans by force, and leads BloodClan's cats to their territories. He and BloodClan are introduced by Tigerstar to the other Clans, though Scourge's cats refuse to fight under Tigerstar's command due to their loyalty to their leader.

https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Scourge

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CAN YOU LINK TO WHERE YOU'VE SEEN THIS SHIT DONE BEFORE?

I'M TAKING THIS THREAD FLAKE AS A SIGN THAT NO; NO YOU CAN NOT LINK TO WHERE YOU HAVE SEEN THIS SHIT BEFORE.

i'm not really interested in engaging with you if this is how you're going to be jumping to things

you're correct that i can't, i don't have the best memory for specific games

VOTE: SCRRRDBEAR

this isnt a salt vote at least as far as i can tell - i just think comparing his handling of me now compared to earlier it comes off as generally kind of manipulative, and that's not the first time i've noticed this game

i think theres issues with his posts, i'll bring them up when i'm in a mood where i'm more willing to play

I PREFER TO HAMMER KITTY OVER T3

i think id rather kill t3

ARE WE TRUE OPPOSITES?

i mean i dont like how much of a fuss he's been making about catching up and then posts a completely unexplained readlist

VOTE: T3

asks for people to engage with him answers a softball complains about being shaded then dips instead of answering actual questions

this can die

THIS IS FUN: KEEP THE ABOVE FROM MISTYX IN MIND WHEN READING THE BELOW.

CHARLOUX TALKED ME OUT OF MY TOWNREAD ON MISTYX BEFORE THEY TRANSFORMED INTO NERO CAIN.

well we've got time you wanna talk this out or no

THE MAIN CONTENTION WAS WHETHER I WAS OVERTHINKING YOUR SLOT OR THEY WERE UNDERTHINKING IT. I AGREED WITH WHAT THEY SAID BUT PROPOSED YOU WERE BEING SETUP AS A VIABLE MISLIM, FOR EXAMPLE, T3 END OF DAY BEHAVIOR BEING INTENDED TO FRAME YOU BY LOOKING LIKE A SHITTY DISTANCING ATTEMPT. IT WOULD HELP ME IF YOU EXPLAINED YOUR READ TRAJECTORIES D2.

my short term memory sucks

which ones specifically

MISTYX CAN YOU ELABORATE ON YOUR S_S READ?

i mean most of the stuff i have to scumread him i already mentioned not much has changed since then

i think the "scum ss would talk more about T3 in order to get actual cred" argument has some merit but not as much as he's acting like it does

SO AFTER EVADING EXPLAINING ANYTHING TO ME FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE, I HAVE TO GO DIG THROUGH YOUR ISO TO FIND THE TWO POSTS WHERE YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT

WHY

YOU EVER THOUGHT SS IS SCUM IN THE FIRST PLACE. BY THE WAY, IT'S CALLED "WORKING MEMORY" MISTYX AND IT'S A SCUM TELL CALLED THE NSG TELL.

ANYWAY, I CAN NOW PRESENT YOUR 2 SS POSTS FOR ALL TO SEE:

VOTE: Something_Smart

feel like this is a hit btw

i have to go eat breakfast

GREAT STUFF. YOU HAVE TO GO EAT BREAKFAST. TOO BAD THAT DIDN'T HELP WITH YOUR "SHORT TERM MEMORY"

NOW THERE IS ONLY ONE POST WHERE YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR READ ON SS.

VOTE: Something_Smart

feel like this is a hit btw

going to eat breakfast

why

you're flying under the radar

this isnt indicative of anything on its own but i think you're doing that on purpose

townread kitty in 1444 then start pushing him in 1818 / 1831 / start of d2

i don't think you have conviction in your reads and are just posting stuff to not get pushed

#1 SS IS FLYING UNDER THE RADAR

...BUT APPARENTLY YOU ALSO THINK THAT'S NOT INDICATIVE OF ANYTHING. OKAY. YOU JUST THINK HE'S DOING IT ON PURPOSE.



#1 SS CHANGING HIS READ ON KITTY OVER THE SPAN OF ~400 POSTS, BETWEEN 1444 AND THEN 1818 / 1832 /

START OF D2

IS WHY YOU SUSPECT SS IS SCUM.

#2 YOU DON'T THINK SS HAS CONVICTION IN HIS READS AND

#3 HE IS JUST POSTING STUFF NOT TO GET PUSHED

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OKAY GREAT. THANKS FOR WASTING MY TIME PULLING ALL THAT UP.

YOUR EXPLANATION #1 IS HORSESHIT END OF STORY. SS READ CHANGING OVER THE COURSE OF A NIGHT A PHASE AND ~400 POSTS IS NOT SUSPICIOUS.

NOW, CAN YOU QUOTE THE POSTS OR INDICATE THE ABSENCE OF WORDS/POSTS WHERE YOU THINK SS WAS HOLDING BACK WHICH CAUSED YOU TO FORM YOUR OPINIONS #2 AND #3?

TO BE EXPLICITLY CLEAR, I WANT TO KNOW WHY YOU THINK #2 SS DOESN'T HAVE CONVICTION IN HIS READS AND #3 WHY YOU THINK SS IS JUST POSTING STUFF NOT TO GET PUSHED.

gmorning

ya but i don't care about the pp wagon

that doesnt really feel like a valid counterargument tho

its not about whether you care about it its about whether its viable or not

sorry, let me rephrase - i feel like the reasons people are voting pp are garbage, and therefore nothing good comes from that wagon

ok i can understand that

what about me? i feel like i'm probably the most likely non-titus wagon today

do you think it says anything that a meaningful wagon hasn't formed on me yet

theres enough options for titus flavor either way that its not mechanically significant i think

[SCRRRDBEAR]

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OKAY GREAT. THANKS FOR WASTING MY TIME PULLING ALL THAT UP.

YOUR EXPLANATION #1 IS HORSESHIT END OF STORY. SS READ CHANGING OVER THE COURSE OF A NIGHT A PHASE AND ~400 POSTS IS NOT SUSPICIOUS.

NOW, CAN YOU QUOTE THE POSTS OR INDICATE THE ABSENCE OF WORDS/POSTS WHERE YOU THINK SS WAS HOLDING BACK WHICH CAUSED YOU TO FORM YOUR OPINIONS #2 AND #3?

TO BE EXPLICITLY CLEAR, I WANT TO KNOW WHY YOU THINK #2 SS DOESN'T HAVE CONVICTION IN HIS READS AND #3 WHY YOU THINK SS IS JUST POSTING STUFF NOT TO GET PUSHED.

this isnt a salt vote at least as far as i can tell - i just think comparing his handling of me now compared to earlier it comes off as generally kind of manipulative, and that's not the first time i've noticed this game

actually i'm going to elaborate on this now because i don't want to cause more badfeels than necessary

there was a point early on (675) where he was reassuring me when i was worrying about posting badly

i think considering the context of how he reacted to me pushing him here (and less so earlier when he said i was getting paranoid from sleep deprivation) that was more of a pocket attempt than genuine reassurance

p-edit: i acknowledge your responses i'm not going to read them or continue this conversation until tomorrow, thanks

gmorning

ya but i don't care about the pp wagon

that doesnt really feel like a valid counterargument tho

its not about whether you care about it its about whether its viable or not

sorry, let me rephrase - i feel like the reasons people are voting pp are garbage, and therefore nothing good comes from that wagon

ok i can understand that

what about me? i feel like i'm probably the most likely non-titus wagon today

do you think it says anything that a meaningful wagon hasn't formed on me yet

theres enough options for titus flavor either way that its not mechanically significant i think

[Nero Cain]

stop double posting, that's my gimmick

[flow trap]

(MAJOR SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO ARE READING THE BOOKS)

Spoiler:

Scourge is recruited

Windclan leader scum, then?

[Mistyx]

Pretty sure even the official warrior cat website site has some errors

*Cough cough* Frecklewish

to be fair, the official books have some errors too

[flow trap]

Pretty sure even the official warrior cat website site has some errors

*Cough cough* Frecklewish

to be fair, the official books have some errors too

Nah, Dovewing just has the ability to change eye colours

[Mistyx]

bear i'm going to be honest i'm not responding to you because i think you're being needlessly aggressive in and engaging would just drag the thread down

and i don't think anything i say is going to change your mind at this point so it feels like a waste of time

[SCRRRDBEAR]

PLEASE BoP ME AFTER T3/TITUS/MISTYX/DATISI ARE ALL FLIPPED. I DESERVE TO DIE FOR TOWNSENDING MISTYX SHITTY SCUM PLAY ON D2.

[Mistyx]

and let me guess after i flip town you're going to blame me for this and call me a gamethrower

[SCRRRDBEAR]

KNOW FIRE SAFETY, NO PAIN, NO FIRE SAFETY, KNOW PAIN

bear i'm going to be honest i'm not responding to you because i think you're being needlessly aggressive in and engaging would just drag the thread down

and i don't think anything i say is going to change your mind at this point so it feels like a waste of time

and let me guess after i flip town you're going to blame me for this and call me a gamethrower

"If you're trying to feign shock or anger, it's much harder to do over a long period... "

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_( ... ame_theory

[SCRRRDBEAR]

my previous standards for her scumplay (based on ktane) were way too low of a bar

the MU people keep telling me she is in fact a good wolf but I have not yet seen it

DO THEY SUCK AT SCUM HUNTING OR SOMETHING?

[Mistyx]

i'm actually actively trying not to get angry despite your best efforts

[SCRRRDBEAR]

i'm actually actively trying not to get angry despite your best efforts

"The physiological stress of sustained lying degrades the initial ability of mafioso to deceive the innocents, much more than a model of perfect play would predict, especially if the innocents can get the town emotionally involved in the game's outcome..."

"People accused of something they're trying to hide will start out feigning outrage – 'How dare you ask me that?'"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_( ... ame_theory

[Datisi]

misty, i'd recommend you just not interact anymore because bear does not know limits or basic decency

[SCRRRDBEAR]

@dann

i do think moonlogicy theories are townie, however my issue is that he assigned scum-motivation to one person for it when a lot of other people have done it, and he never commented on that. that's something that can potentially be scum motivated and i want him to explain his thoughts there

i don't want to vote val rn because i have been wrong before so i want to give more time to sit on that, and i don't think voting him will help me solve him (as it will with charloux)

@fire

i don't remember calling marashu boring (or saying anything about him, really) but i don't really have thoughts on him rn - i'm interested to see where he takes the datisi/bell theory

no thoughts head empty on catboi

why is it that you asked about the two of these specifically?

something something good scumgame big paranoia etc etc

i did vaguely read your thoughts on him but they didn't really resonate with me one way or another, so

i was hoping to gain insight by seeing his read on me but apparently he has NONE so far so idk i will just be vibing there for now

I think my top vote choice would be Mistyx

interesting, why?

Mistyx, Datisi, Norweigan; What is even your goal with my wagon?

i have both spelled out exactly why i am voting you and what i want from you - give an answer to 363.

IMO 386 LOOKS INFORMED. JUST DRYLY ADDRESSING CONCERNS AND CHATTING ABOUT TELLS.

yes, the point of that post was to address concerns, what would you expect to be different about it from town-me?

having read the further posts from bear, i can see where he's coming from and i think his push is very townie. it's *wrong* obviously, but i think his posts show curiosity and solving my alignment that i don't think is very likely to be from scum.

misty, i'd recommend you just not interact anymore because bear does not know limits or basic decency

"The physiological stress of sustained lying degrades the initial ability of mafioso to deceive the innocents, much more than a model of perfect play would predict, especially if the innocents can get the town emotionally involved in the game's outcome..."

"People accused of something they're trying to hide will start out feigning outrage – 'How dare you ask me that?' But that will start to change to objection rather than shock, as it's psychologically very difficult to mimic emotion."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_( ... ame_theory

OBVIOUS SCUM SHADE DETECTED IN #3642

[flow trap]

"People accused of something they're trying to hide will start out feigning outrage – 'How dare you ask me that?'"

I feel like the opposite would be true too: people accused of something they didn't do will get angry since injustice is a cause of anger

[Ydrasse]

VOTE COUNT 3.4

[7]

Titus

: PenguinPower, Cephrir, Nero Cain, fireisredsir, SCRRRDBEAR, KittyTacky, MathBlade
[3]

PenguinPower

: Titus, Bell, Toogeloo
[1]

flow trap

: Datisi
[1]

Bell

: flow trap
[1]

SCRRRDBEAR

: Mistyx

[4]

Not voting

: Dannflor, Enchant, Something_Smart, boy next door

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With 17 alive, it takes 9 to eliminate.

Day three ends in (expired on 2022-11-20 11:49:06).

MOD NOTES

• have fun!

• let us know if you have any questions, or if something's wrong!

• keep track of your post count!

• prodding titus.

• currently v/la: dannflor, mathblade. if i'm missing one/you're not v/la anymore let me know.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

"People accused of something they're trying to hide will start out feigning outrage – 'How dare you ask me that?'"

I feel like the opposite would be true too: people accused of something they didn't do will get angry since injustice is a cause of anger

NOTED.

THIS IS WHY YOU'RE CURRENTLY VOTING BELL INSTEAD OF ONE OF THE SCUM.

[flow trap]

I am impressed by your ability to note things loudly.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

"People accused of something they're trying to hide will start out feigning outrage – 'How dare you ask me that?'"

I feel like the opposite would be true too: people accused of something they didn't do will get angry since injustice is a cause of anger

NOTED.

THIS IS WHY YOU'RE CURRENTLY VOTING BELL INSTEAD OF ONE OF THE SCUM.

AT LEAST YOU HAVE A GOOD COVER STORY FOR WHEN YOU ROLL SCUM, FLOW TRAP:

SCUMHUNTER: HOW COME YOU VOTED OUT ALL THOSE TOWN PLAYERS, FLOW TRAP?
SCUM FLOW TRAP: DUDE IT'S IN MY TOWN META TO VOTE OUT TOWN, CHECK OUT MY TOWNPLAY IN WARRIOR CATS MAFIA. I PARKED MY VOTE ON BELL D3 WHILE LIKE 6 OTHER PLAYERS TRIED TO FIND THE MAFIA.
SCUMHUNTER: WOAH GUYS FLOW TRAP IS RIGHT, KILLING TOWN

IS

HIS TOWN META. LET'S SPEND DAYS DELIBERATING BETWEEN VOTING FLOW TRAP AND LIKE 3 OTHER SLOTS THAT AREN'T DOING ANYTHING.
SCUM FLOW TRAP: HEHEHEHE

[flow trap]

I PARKED MY VOTE ON BELL

Does this look like parking to you? VOTE: KittyTacky