NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[the worst]

HELP I'M BEING OPPRESSED

[Nosferatu]

i dont get the scum motivations in doing any of the things you're pointing out

[the worst]

"Ooohhhh he owns a knife", they said, "he must be a serial killer", they said. What and because I weigh the same as a duckling I must be a witch?!

[the worst]

If y'all will be keeping up this same level of rudeness and oppression please lynch me now so my poor innocent eyes won't continue to suffer.

[Ausuka]

Detective determines if they have killed anyone. The Worst, having claimed both the kills, is the only one Gamma is going to find unless he finds the mafia killer on a night that he kills.

Scumpool assuming FruitVends from N1 are valid:


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GE

Ausuka

brassherald

the worst

MagnaofIllusion
Skygazer
Jingle
HeWhoSwims
Taly
Profii

Bolded probtown by Loud modifier.
Underlined probtown by fruit information.
Italicized not groupscum
Asterisk probtown by confirming worst as having killed.

We have 13 alive, which means 7 deaths til a possible 3v3. Assuming the worst makes only protown shots, that means 4 in the pool of likely scum tomorrow, 2 in the pool the following day, and 0 in the pool after that. If the worst is vig, we're in autowin already if we assume MoI town. Actually, we might be in autowin regardless if worst vig. Someone check the math there, because my brain is too fried to do so at the moment.

Maybe tw is BP SK and that's why one of the nights had no kill HMMM

i didnt think i needed to validate a inno claimed by my slot previously

my b for being vague lmfao

i guess the scum motivation is to look like apathetic town who isn't reading and doesn't care? i've seen scum do weird scummy things because they thought it'd make them look town before.

[Nosferatu]

huh

well ya got me there

[Jingle]

"Ooohhhh he owns a knife", they said, "he must be a serial killer", they said. What and because I weigh the same as a duckling I must be a witch?!

You can't be a witch. We'd need an arsonist to be able to deal with a witch.

So... Why is Chick conftown again? Was it just the MoI-Nos chain or was there another component?

[the worst]

Good call....~

[the worst]

Chick is town if we assume vengeful but we should prolly policy that at some point and dictate a vengekill (I can't see her disagreeing heaps since I think she's been busy irl/less engaged in maf lately)

[Ausuka]

It would be pretty coincidental if she was scum and chose a claim that is a) suboptimal because it makes people want to lynch you and use your vengekill, and b) pretty much the only claim that would bail her out of a Psychologist guilty. She didn't know Andrius was a psychologist, or even an investigative at all.

[the worst]

That could have been schemed with scum!Nos but not town!Nos probably?

[the worst]

Unless scum rolecopped that slot n1 or smthn

[Ausuka]

I don't think that we have five scum tbh. Even if they rolecopped Andrius, there's no hint anywhere that he had a guilty on Chick; he could have had an inno on pretty much anyone else.

[the worst]

4v13 or 5v12, either are fine. We do have a lot of town power.

[Ausuka]

4v13 or 5v12, either are fine. We do have a lot of town power.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=37208

find me a 5 scum game with 17 players pls

what useful roles do we really have? hider is weak because it's not weak. visitor is... lol. Informed townie and activated bp don't really do anything for town 99.99% of the time. Loyal fruit vendor and doctor and vig (would make more sense as SK ) and detective are fairly strong, sure, but that's the kind of strong roles you NEED in a large game to help the town. Also doc is loud so if it ever protects scum it can wave bye bye to its life. Psychologist is also a role that exists but like vengeful + vig exist, and also it's probs a fakeclaim. Town isn't nearly strong enough to justify 5 scum in this site meta, full stop. Like, I'm not a balance expert, but I'm sure about that.

[Ausuka]

you don't see 4 scum mini normals either. more scum than normal just isn't something that happens in the Normal queue, really.

[the worst]

Sorry I don't really play larges much and won't be poring thru that.. I'll take your word for it tentatively but goddamn if you guys lynch me then we lose over a balancing disagreement I'll be shook

[Jingle]

Those are play reasons. Fuck play reasons, I'd have to read for that.

I'm gonna do another list of players and clears real quick with the new info.

Ausuka- Clear. Fuckit, this is my starting point. If Pine made a game with two Fruit Vendors on the scumteam and they've played this convincingly, I'm getting on a plane to go play bad bagpipe music in his front lawn to wake the baby right now.
brassherald- Only scum if Tracker.
the worst- Keeps shooting scum.
Skygazer-
Jingle- Visitor
Chickadee- Vengeclaim? Probclear
HeWhoSwims-
Raskolnikov- Clear.
Irrelephant11- Only scum if Multitasking tracker.
Nosferatu-

FV is probably pretty useless at this point, tbh. Scum is approaching the point of "guess that I received fruit out of the pool".

So ignoring the paranoia about Elephants and heralds, scum should be in {me, nos, sky, HWS}. Any objections to lynching in me, sky, HWS; TW shooting in me sky HWS; HWS claiming his number today, and Ausuka randing between lynchpool and holstering fruit to keep some utility alive there? Assuming, of course that Nos has shots left or whatever or at least claims to. You guys can deal with the paranoia reads if it's still necessary when we're all dead and gone.

[Ausuka]

Psychologist is literally useless at this point because there's only one scum left. Of course they'll have made the kill by now.

[Jingle]

Doc isn't necessarily loud, remember. We just have a loud role confirmed. Could be the scumrole, which would explain no loud claims today, as the scum would've needed to shoot with their loud player and FV with MoI if elephants actually got fruit.

[Ausuka]

I received the loud.

Loud tracker doesn't really explain gamma n1; I think doctor is very significantly more likely.

[Ausuka]

Like, you track someone who DIDN'T claim PR. That way it's like a vanilla cop, you can find out if they have a role.

[Jingle]

Gamma claimed D1? I thought all the claims happened D2.

[Ausuka]

Gamma's predecessor was run up D1 and claimed PR.

[the worst]

He only said he was a tpr tho and maybe investigative? not the details

BTW I doubt scum tried to kill Ausuka whole MoI was still alive. not sure what's up with n2 tho unless they shot a50 too??