honestly, i don't care, because i listened to my gut and it was right. i was right on brigitte and i was right on xtoxm and i was right on flubber and at the start of day2 my gut said flubber was rthe righ tplace to push and so i did.
it was teh same voice that tells me where to vote in lylo (i've never voted wrong in lylo, and i've been in many) and so long as i'm not tunneled my gut is pretty trustworthy so i'm making a point to listen to it more, even before lylo. and i'm 3/3 so far this game listening to it this game
i got (and am getting) flak for it but i was the first person to push there iirc so yeah i'm pretty impressed with myself tbh
(and let's also assume that i'm good enough at scum that i, like, know how to make busses look good and realistic and like not awkward and that i'm *very* good at screwing with associatives
let's also assume that in a game where i'd have to conftown 5 people upon the flip of a partner i would have like zero interest in purposefully bussing him because that makes the game that much harder for me and i hate playing scum with a passion and i have like no interest in making it significantly harder for myself on purpose; i also don't think i can outargue enough people to protect myself/third partner after conftowning 5 people unless i was scum with exactly like you or maybe chara in this pl and like i think i'd do my best to ensure that the game didn't come down to that because that honestly sounds lawful for me to try to play. like jingle's game was handsdown my least favorite scumgame ever and bussing here day1/day2 would make that hellish nightmare of a setup even worse for me to play)
In post 3658, Ankamius wrote:and that's the problem skitter
when I look for slots that look like they're trying to chip away at the supports of my position, you jump up to the #1 spot
xtoxm turned out to be town and
when I start becoming less hinged, you supported breaking it down
I can't get over my gut telling me that your approach was just
wrong
this entire time and I only picked up on it in specific points
I can't get over my gut telling me that your approach at the beginning of the game was too jagged to be town
something about your play is just... not town
and I'm fucking pissed off about it because I not only can't explain it in a way that would make sense for everybody else, but I know that if I tried, you're charismatic enough to shut it down regardless of alignment
I have no idea how to continue with that from here
a) i don't think i was chipping away at your position and i don't know where you think i was doing that
b) i don't think my approach to this game was wrong
c) i protested xtoxm (the mislynch) and tried to get support to the other half of your solve (the actual scum) while supporting your solve overall and trying to lynch the actual scum in the pair; i don't know how that's breaking it down. the one time i actually protested your solve was after flubber claimed ic and i got spooked on xtoxm again, at the very very end of the day. my gut said xtoxm wasn't scum so i listened and unvoted and flubber wasn't really viable at that point anymore. even then though i was considering lynching xtoxm for the sake of the solve even though i thought it was wrong and *you told me* that you had given up on it at that point so i didn't vote there. i dont' know how in any of htat you read what i did as breaking down what you were doing given that *i was doing what you wanted* for most of the dayphase ffs
d) beginning of the game was kinda jagged, i agree; i had started a new job with a longish commute and then moved again to be closer to it and didn't have super much time for this
In post 3660, Ankamius wrote: In post 3656, skitter30 wrote:i disagree that my posts are agenda-y or that i was subtly trying to sabotage you (again, when you wanted flubber/xtoxm i repeatedly decided to push my partner and get spooked off the mislynch more than once even though you were pressuring me to join the mislynch????)
I can see you being scum in spite of that anyways, you got spooked off the tris wagon d1 too and iirc you were ambivalent about the Brigitte wagon
if you wanted Brigitte dead and didn't want to be seen directly supporting it, you joining the tris wagon and then hopping off when it got traction makes sense
your reads have gone from strong to weak to strong to weak throughout the game, I'd have to double check but I suspect they coincide with when the gamestate muddies or not
like... idk
you've said you are a competent gamestate reader, I could potentially see you even being willing to eat the flubber lynch if both you and your partner were in a good enough spot to either out-charisma me or to direct reads towards mislynches twice in a row
a) i get spooked off of day1 lynches ... all the time and it's not ai (if anything i'd argue it's town indicative because i do it in probably more than half of towngames and i don't think i've ever done that in a scumgame; i'm a lot more rigid as scum and am more careful and more worried about how i'll look wagon-hopping. as town i really don't care how people perceive me because i believe in what i'm doing and can thus outargue just about anything)
b) i was *not* ambivalent about the brigitte wagon; i thought she was town (and i got flak for that read too!) and stayed off of the wagon because of it. i did *not* want her dead
c) i mean i think my reads becoming weaker coincide with teh gamestate being muddy - the reads become weak *because* the gamestate is muddy, not the other way around.
d) i would have like zero interest eating a flubber lynch day2 and making the game/setup that much harder for myself. i hate this setup with a passion and i don't want to *ever* play it again as scum and i don't want to make it even harder.
(like i'm on the record saying that and my scumgame would have had to improve a ridiculous amount between jingle's game and this game for me to be scum here given how i played that one)
i said this above but like the only team taht scum!me woudl even consider doing this with would be like you or chara and i don't think i even had this impression of of you at the start of the game, it developed as the game went on. there aren't that many people here that i'd trust to be capable enough o not eat a lynch day3/day4 (especially in a smaller lynchpool!) and i'm not confident enough in my own scumgame to think that i could evade a lynch twice in this game either. i have ... a lot more charisma as town and i'm a lot more confident in my ability to outargue people when i'm town. i don't really have charisma when i'm scum (or at least, not to nearly the same extent) and i don't have the confidence necessary to really handle that sort of gamestate well. and i know this so i would like never purposefully do that to myself
and like i would have had to start day2 planning on hard-bussing my partner and pushing it throughout the day and then letting myself off on a bad/clumsy/awful ic claim (if i had planned this it would have been neater, trust me) about thirty posts after i noted that he wasn't actually lynchable at that moment (like why does he claim ic there if i know that he isn't getting lynched?)
i also don't direct mislynches as scum; that's not my style really